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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 64898241 Russia 03/04/2016 04:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chemicals: ---------- Bleach and Iodine type Tablets take time to work/kill the Viruses/Bacteria/Parasites in the water, and must be given time after use to evaporate or in the case of some Iodine/Chemical tablets be neutralized by a second type of tablet. These methods do not remove Metals and Chemicals from the Water and add "chemicals" to the Water that may remain after their use. Storage: -------- -Best to have good Stainless Steel and heavy duty NON BPA Plastic water containers. -If you are at a Homestead or Permanent Camp Glass Wine Bottles with good stoppers/Caps are good they have the advantage of being Clear so you can see what is inside, and how full they are. -have Brushes like they sell to clean baby bottles to clean your canteens and thin containers. Ways to clean large containers with small openings 1) Fill with 25% Warm water with soap, Swish and rotate container, then Rinse till no Soap bubbles come out. 2) For extra clean with abrasive, use small clean rocks and or burnt charcoal from your fire in dime size pieces or smaller with 25% fill of Warm water and swish and Rotate the container until every part is rubbed clean, Then rinse with Warm water and Soap, then Rinse with clean water till no Soap bubbles come out. -Never Drink directly from your Canteens/Bottles unless you have not Cup to use. Backwash of bacteria from your mouth can/will grow in your canteen/Bottle unless you clean them well and completely which will increase your risk of infection and spading disease to those you share them with. -Only Store your Clean/Purified water in the big containers, and pour water into Cups to Drink, they are much easier to clean and keep clean. -If you have to use some big containers to transport Dirty water to be filtered later make sure you and all those with you know which containers contain Raw/Untreated Water so it is not accidentally consumed or used to waspamandardizing What State of Water goes into certain type of containers is good, Labeling the Containers is Best. -If you use Filters to Clean your water, make sure there is no leaks or drips of dirty water bypassing your filter into the Clean Water collection area. -If any dirty/unfiltered water gets into your clean water you should clean your collection Container and start over. -Never fill containers more than 85% full in winter to give water room to expand, so if they freeze, the water will have enough air/room to expand and not rupture your containers. -If you have to Travel on Foot without a heated vehicle a Insulated Thermos can slow the freezing of your water, if you start with Hot water it can remain liquid for a long time in a good thermos. -Putting Small containers like Flasks or canteens inside your pockets and Coat can keep some of your water supply liquid while you travel. -Warm your Steel bottles carefully by the Fire, with the Plastic Caps off for expansion before you leave camp/home to make sure your water will be usable during your travel make sure to leave 15% free space for freezing if they get to cold and freeze. Wrap them in insulation(cloths or blankets) in your pack to keep them warm longer. Use: Drinking Cooking Canning Gardening/Aquaponics Washing People Washing Dishes ====================== Salt is also a key resource to have, buy lots now. Sea salt is best. Without enough Salt(but not too much) in your diet each day you will not be able to regulate your water retention, and digest your food properly. Salt is needed for stomach acid. Have Iodine supplement for Nuke Radiation, take it ahead of the problem like Fukushima to build up your protection. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71567784 Russia 03/04/2016 04:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chemicals: ---------- Bleach and Iodine type Tablets take time to work/kill the Viruses/Bacteria/Parasites in the water, and must be given time after use to evaporate or in the case of some Iodine/Chemical tablets be neutralized by a second type of tablet. These methods do not remove Metals and Chemicals from the Water and add "chemicals" to the Water that may remain after their use. Storage: -------- -Best to have good Stainless Steel and heavy duty NON BPA Plastic water containers. -If you are at a Homestead or Permanent Camp Glass Wine Bottles with good stoppers/Caps are good they have the advantage of being Clear so you can see what is inside, and how full they are. -have Brushes like they sell to clean baby bottles to clean your canteens and thin containers. Ways to clean large containers with small openings 1) Fill with 25% Warm water with soap, Swish and rotate container, then Rinse till no Soap bubbles come out. 2) For extra clean with abrasive, use small clean rocks and or burnt charcoal from your fire in dime size pieces or smaller with 25% fill of Warm water and swish and Rotate the container until every part is rubbed clean, Then rinse with Warm water and Soap, then Rinse with clean water till no Soap bubbles come out. -Never Drink directly from your Canteens/Bottles unless you have not Cup to use. Backwash of bacteria from your mouth can/will grow in your canteen/Bottle unless you clean them well and completely which will increase your risk of infection and spading disease to those you share them with. -Only Store your Clean/Purified water in the big containers, and pour water into Cups to Drink, they are much easier to clean and keep clean. -If you have to use some big containers to transport Dirty water to be filtered later make sure you and all those with you know which containers contain Raw/Untreated Water so it is not accidentally consumed or used to waspamandardizing What State of Water goes into certain type of containers is good, Labeling the Containers is Best. -If you use Filters to Clean your water, make sure there is no leaks or drips of dirty water bypassing your filter into the Clean Water collection area. -If any dirty/unfiltered water gets into your clean water you should clean your collection Container and start over. -Never fill containers more than 85% full in winter to give water room to expand, so if they freeze, the water will have enough air/room to expand and not rupture your containers. -If you have to Travel on Foot without a heated vehicle a Insulated Thermos can slow the freezing of your water, if you start with Hot water it can remain liquid for a long time in a good thermos. -Putting Small containers like Flasks or canteens inside your pockets and Coat can keep some of your water supply liquid while you travel. -Warm your Steel bottles carefully by the Fire, with the Plastic Caps off for expansion before you leave camp/home to make sure your water will be usable during your travel make sure to leave 15% free space for freezing if they get to cold and freeze. Wrap them in insulation(cloths or blankets) in your pack to keep them warm longer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71574672 Russia 03/04/2016 09:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Use: Drinking Cooking Canning Gardening/Aquaponics Washing People Washing Dishes ====================== Salt is also a key resource to have, buy lots now. Sea salt is best. Without enough Salt(but not too much) in your diet each day you will not be able to regulate your water retention, and digest your food properly. Salt is needed for stomach acid to break down your food in the stomach. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71574672 Russia 03/04/2016 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Survival Still Review ======================== THE SURVIVAL STILL: THE ULTIMATE WATER PREP TO HAVE ON YOUR SHELF 7 TRUMPETS PREPPER ======================== Emergency Water Source - Evaporating with a Solar Still: Survival Tip All 4 Adventure TV All 4 Adventure ======================== Simple Water Distillation for Bushcraft and Survival KennethKramm Published on Aug 23, 2014 (Press the CC button to turn on/off subtitles. YT can translate subtitles). Make dirty water / sea water drinkable with a stainless steel water bottle, copper tubing and a wet rag. ======================== DIY fresh water - free solar soda bottle still easy quick to make |
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User ID: 11213558 United States 03/04/2016 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chemicals: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71567784 ---------- Bleach and Iodine type Tablets take time to work/kill the Viruses/Bacteria/Parasites in the water, and must be given time after use to evaporate or in the case of some Iodine/Chemical tablets be neutralized by a second type of tablet. These methods do not remove Metals and Chemicals from the Water and add "chemicals" to the Water that may remain after their use. Storage: -------- -Best to have good Stainless Steel and heavy duty NON BPA Plastic water containers. -If you are at a Homestead or Permanent Camp Glass Wine Bottles with good stoppers/Caps are good they have the advantage of being Clear so you can see what is inside, and how full they are. -have Brushes like they sell to clean baby bottles to clean your canteens and thin containers. Ways to clean large containers with small openings 1) Fill with 25% Warm water with soap, Swish and rotate container, then Rinse till no Soap bubbles come out. 2) For extra clean with abrasive, use small clean rocks and or burnt charcoal from your fire in dime size pieces or smaller with 25% fill of Warm water and swish and Rotate the container until every part is rubbed clean, Then rinse with Warm water and Soap, then Rinse with clean water till no Soap bubbles come out. -Never Drink directly from your Canteens/Bottles unless you have not Cup to use. Backwash of bacteria from your mouth can/will grow in your canteen/Bottle unless you clean them well and completely which will increase your risk of infection and spading disease to those you share them with. -Only Store your Clean/Purified water in the big containers, and pour water into Cups to Drink, they are much easier to clean and keep clean. -If you have to use some big containers to transport Dirty water to be filtered later make sure you and all those with you know which containers contain Raw/Untreated Water so it is not accidentally consumed or used to waspamandardizing What State of Water goes into certain type of containers is good, Labeling the Containers is Best. -If you use Filters to Clean your water, make sure there is no leaks or drips of dirty water bypassing your filter into the Clean Water collection area. -If any dirty/unfiltered water gets into your clean water you should clean your collection Container and start over. -Never fill containers more than 85% full in winter to give water room to expand, so if they freeze, the water will have enough air/room to expand and not rupture your containers. -If you have to Travel on Foot without a heated vehicle a Insulated Thermos can slow the freezing of your water, if you start with Hot water it can remain liquid for a long time in a good thermos. -Putting Small containers like Flasks or canteens inside your pockets and Coat can keep some of your water supply liquid while you travel. -Warm your Steel bottles carefully by the Fire, with the Plastic Caps off for expansion before you leave camp/home to make sure your water will be usable during your travel make sure to leave 15% free space for freezing if they get to cold and freeze. Wrap them in insulation(cloths or blankets) in your pack to keep them warm longer. Storing water in copper or brass will kill bacteria. A hospital near here has replace door handles and some counter tops with brass and copper materials because of the bactericidal properties. ******************* This is a great thread!! Excellent, all in one place. Good work! *** Good deeds bring rewards, bad actions bring troubles. That is a law of the universe. *** |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71574672 Russia 03/05/2016 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3 different NON-electric water distillers, Have not tried any of them yet Price drops as you go down the list. [link to www.waterwise.com (secure)] Waterwaise 1600 SPECIFICATIONS $387.00 No electricty requiredIncludes: Distiller, Hi-Temp Tubing (36" length—food grade), and Digital Timer Distillate Capacity: 3.2 Quarts in 1.2 Hours, up to 16 Gallons (60 Liters) in 24 Hours Dimensions: Height 12" (31 cm), Diameter 12" (31 cm) Net Weight: 9 Ibs (4.1 kgs) 2-Year Limited Warranty USA & Foreign Patents Internationa ----------------------- [link to survivalstill.com] $279.00 [link to www.smartlivingshopper.com] What is the Survival Still? The Survival Still is the most effective emergency drinking water system on the planet. The Survival Still is a heavy duty, stainless steel water distiller that is so effective that you can even turn ocean water into high-purity, sterile water, forever. The Survival Still… • Permanently supplies high-purity, sterile drinking water. • Extremely effective against all types of contaminants. • Kills and removes bacteria, viruses and parasites. • Is a permanent solution for purifying sea water. • Does not need filters, maintenance, infrastructure or a supply chain. • Distillation is recommended by FEMA and the Red Cross! ----------------------------- [link to www.shtfandgo.com] $175.00 [link to www.shtfandgo.com] GRAVI-STIL (tm) Emergency Water Distiller and Gravity Filter (Free Shipping) from 175.00 GRAVI-STIL (tm) Non-Electric Emergency Survival Water Distiller and Gravity Water Filter Combonation The only non-electric emergency water distiller that can easily convert into an emergency water distiller in seconds. This system allows you to purify Sea Water, Salt (Brackish) Water, or water from almost any source. Our Distiller produces between 8.5-10 cups of water per hour as a distiller and produces 1/2 gallon per hour as a gravity water purifier. Comes in two Models: Stainless Steel and Hard Anodized Stainless Steel collection plate Stainless Steel dispenser valve High Temperature gaskets, hoses and fasteners 10 Micron PRE-FILTER TO REMOVE LARGE DEBRIS FROM WATER SOURCE CONTAINER .2 Micron Silver Impregnated Ceramic Water Filter 1000+ Gallons Canvas Carrying Bag with shoulder Strap COMES WITH ASSEMBLY INSTRUCTIONS/CARE MANUAL |
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User ID: 53909842 United States 03/05/2016 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. A water softener uses Ion Exchange in order to grab onto the hardness that is coming from your city water. The salt is used in the regeneration cycle, the brine water is used to release the Ion Exchange in the pressure tank, which is then drained into your washer drain, or a dry well. You get such a small percentage of sodium, it is nothing compared to the total dissolved solids that are coming in off of your city water. However, if you live up North, the water quality is usually much better. There are conditioning systems for wells, rust, sulfur, chlorine, and many others. The only issue is the companies that you have to deal with. A lot of water conditioning companies like to screw the customer over, better to find a small family run business that doesn't jew their consumer base. Water softeners usually last 10-20+ years, the resin in the pressure tanks have to be replaced every 8-10 years, even that you can do yourself with an extractor that uses your water hose, or an air pump, then dump your new resin back in the tank with a funnel, reattach your control valves, you're good to go. Also get a Reverse Osmosis system, those are the bomb. Live & Learn, Crash & Burn |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70225427 United States 03/05/2016 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to stpaulmercantile.com] The Aquacera cerametix (It has tiny ceramic pores --.5 micron , which will handle most larger bacteria and parasites, but not viruses, the smallest of which are about .025 of a micron or 25 nanometers in size) with carbon on the inside. I am assuming that it also has bone char carbon on the inside--- the only type of carbon that absorbs fluoride is bone char!! The Cerametix is a great choice for filtering out chemicals including fluoride, drugs, most bacteria and parasites. Do not purchase the white Berkey fluoride filter add on--- it ADDS aluminum to your water while absorbing fluoride-- a poor bargain, which of course Berkey does not tell you. Black berkey filters are also cheap carbon extrusions and are not self sterilizing-- so you can end up with coliform in your filtered Berkey water when your tap water has none!!. Although I tested Berkey's ability to filter out chlorine (with my pool test kit) and it got rid of all the chlorine. You can also get rid of chlorine by simply letting your water sit out in a wide pan for 24 hours (it evaporates). Aquacera Cerametix is impregnated with silver--- so no coliform buildup inside the filter-- so I think its a better choice. The Cerametix probably also filters out more bacteria than black Berkey because the ceramic pore size is a very small .5 micron. I also have acidic water, so I add a 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda to the upper chamber with 4 gallons, and I let the water filter through. The filtered water has a pH of 8-- which is better for health. I do not recommend Berkey--- the company has low integrity. They capitalized on the British Berkfeld name by adding in a cheaper filter than the original Doulton ceramic filter-- a 150 year old proven technology. They also did not refund customers for a lengthy shoddy production run of their black filters--- which caused the filters to break at the base. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70283480 United States 03/20/2016 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like the Aqua Cera Cerametix ceramic gravity filter-- it fits on a Berkey stainless container, and it also filters out most fluoride, unlike Berkey black filters. Its also easy to drill a hole on any 5 gallon bucket and lid to make your own water filter container. (use two 5 gallon buckets with a lid.) [link to stpaulmercantile.com] The Aquacera cerametix (It has tiny ceramic pores --.5 micron , which will handle most larger bacteria and parasites, but not viruses, the smallest of which are about .025 of a micron or 25 nanometers in size) with carbon on the inside. I am assuming that it also has bone char carbon on the inside--- the only type of carbon that absorbs fluoride is bone char!! The Cerametix is a great choice for filtering out chemicals including fluoride, drugs, most bacteria and parasites. Do not purchase the white Berkey fluoride filter add on--- it ADDS aluminum to your water while absorbing fluoride-- a poor bargain, which of course Berkey does not tell you. Black berkey filters are also cheap carbon extrusions and are not self sterilizing-- so you can end up with coliform in your filtered Berkey water when your tap water has none!!. Although I tested Berkey's ability to filter out chlorine (with my pool test kit) and it got rid of all the chlorine. You can also get rid of chlorine by simply letting your water sit out in a wide pan for 24 hours (it evaporates). Aquacera Cerametix is impregnated with silver--- so no coliform buildup inside the filter-- so I think its a better choice. The Cerametix probably also filters out more bacteria than black Berkey because the ceramic pore size is a very small .5 micron. I also have acidic water, so I add a 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda to the upper chamber with 4 gallons, and I let the water filter through. The filtered water has a pH of 8-- which is better for health. I do not recommend Berkey--- the company has low integrity. They capitalized on the British Berkfeld name by adding in a cheaper filter than the original Doulton ceramic filter-- a 150 year old proven technology. They also did not refund customers for a lengthy shoddy production run of their black filters--- which caused the filters to break at the base. [/quo I have concerns about what is in the bone char. ie mad cow, whatever they feed cattle |
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