FBI UNDER INVESTIGATION for LaVoy Finicum shooting!!

You will have more to work with tomorrow after the Finicum family makes their statement. I wonder if they will have their own autopsy report.

LaVoy Finicum shooting: Reaction to the investigation

U.S. Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Oregon:

"The investigation details disclosed today raise substantial questions that need to be addressed."

U.S. Rep. Greg Walden, R-Oregon:

"This independent investigation gives us some answers to what happened, but leaves me disturbed and bewildered by the role of the FBI agents who are now under federal investigation themselves. Meanwhile, I will continue working with local officials to get results on the Steens Mountain fencing issue, federal reimbursement for the local policing costs, and to stop the monument designation in Malheur County, among other resource-related issues."

[link to www.oregonlive.com]

Strange, I didn't see a reaction from Senator Boquist?

Last Edited by Daniel Higdon on 03/08/2016 07:04 PM

Really, I just read today they were cleared of all wrong doing. Just like any other time they shoot someone un-armed... ;-)

I believe they said at the press conference that LaVoy committed a felony by attempting to elude police. Here's where the Oregon law:

It is an affirmative defense to a prosecution of a person under this section that, after a police officer operating a vehicle not marked as an official police vehicle signaled the person to bring the persons vehicle to a stop, the person proceeded lawfully to an area the person reasonably believed was necessary to reach before stopping.
(3) The offense described in this section, fleeing or attempting to elude a police officer, is applicable upon any premises open to the public and:
(a) Is a Class C felony if committed as described in subsection (1)(b)(A) of this section; or
(b) Is a Class A misdemeanor if committed as described in subsection (1)(b)(B) of this section. [1983 c.338 §664; 1991 c.655 §1; 1997 c.532 §1; 1997 c.860 §1]

[link to www.oregonlaws.org]

From what I have heard, this jumping out like that is a tactic they use for an excuse to murder people. It is nothing new.

bootlickers are common.

[link to youtu.be (secure)]

Sure looks like the last "agent" that stumbles up to Lavoy's North side is holding a pistol in both hands. You can see they had already thrown Lavoy's hat a little away from his head and he is lying there with a bare head. The last "agent" hovers quite close to Lavoy's forehead with that gun barrel. It appears to be just inches before the camera changes. Make up your own mind after that ............

People in Burns Oregon say this was an assassination.

If you would please act in kind there would be a real one that was one less.

the whole "shot in the head" thing was a lie.

The story was a lie.

"They" don't need excuses. "They" have immunity ... they can kill with no consequences. It makes some people kill crazy.

Really? In the new vid, the original, you can count at least 77 shots. This would be the Shawana Cox phone vid. I think that may be kinda Swissy.

No shit!

Whom and how does one investigate the FBI ? They are the king shit investigators.

According to people who were at the funeral it was obvious the top of Lavoy's head had been repaired with materials used to do such things. The mortician did a great job and made it possible to have an open casket funeral.

It's MURDER of AMERICAN CITIZENS

So some of the notes I jotted down during that press conference and questions:

1. Why didn't they release their audio? They provided some type of transcript of what was said. Obviously they have audio. Release it!!!

2. What's a "less lethal" taser? They used that specific language a couple of times. Maybe someone else knows what it means. Maybe this is just how they refer to tasers but it struck me as odd.

3. Medical examiner determined homicide as cause of death. Where's the report and why wasn't it released? Or was it released in the "press package" along with the examples of all of the threats they have received against law enforcement?

4. What's the range of the taser? This question was asked at the press conference and the sheriff (I believe) couldn't answer it. He stated that LaVoy was out of range of the taser.

5. Knowing the identify of the officers who shot LaVoy is not in the public's best interest. Really???

6. Which shot was the fatal shot? I believe that is usually addressed at such press conferences.

7. One "less lethal" round was fired at the truck. So when we're talking about lethal, does it really matter if it's more or less lethal?

8. Claimed they committed a class D felony by attempting to elude police. Is this normally justification for the use of lethal force? I don't agree that it was a felony based on their own law but even if so, I don't think they have the right to use lethal force on anyone who commits a felony. No reason for prisons then. Just shoot them all.

9. Claimed that LaVoy was using his truck as a dangerous weapon so OSP was justified in using deadly physical force. Again, really??? The roadblock itself was the use of deadly force and forced LaVoy's truck to be a dangerous weapon against them and against all of the occupants in the vehicle.

10. Then, one of my favorite statements, any person would be justified in using deadly force when faced with imminent danger. Oh yeah, you mean like LaVoy was???

11. Van following LaVoy was able to see the road block and stop. Hmm...maybe because the person driving the van knew the road block was there???

12. OSP fired 3 shots at LaVoy's vehicle in an attempt to stop it. What about the occupants of the vehicle? In my book, this was attempted murder on all of the occupants in the vehicle.

13. Admitted that they fired on him as he exited the vehicle but don't know the identity of the person who fired those shots. Insane! They know the identify of every person who was there. They should have checked all of the guns present afterward and would know who in the hell fired. Plus they have drone footage and I'm sure lots of other footage as well.

The whole thing makes me sick to my very core.

Last Edited by Daniel Higdon on 03/08/2016 07:30 PM

This article seems to explain why they called it a "less lethal" taser:

Tasers No Longer a Non-Lethal Alternative for Law Enforcement

[link to www.aclu.org (secure)]

holy shit, what a huge lie.

no wonder they wanted a secret yet "public" press conference.

lie, lie, lie,


"we protect the public", bullshit, you lying FUCKS.

YOU STEAL MY MONEY IS WHAT YOU DO.

SALT LAKE CITY — Law enforcement agents with the Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Forest Service are too "Rambo" to Rep. Jason Chaffetz's liking, so he wants to take away their guns and authority.

"These agents are more Rambo and less Andy Griffith than I would like," he told the Deseret News Tuesday.

Chafftez, R-Utah, said he plans to introduce a bill next week to strip those two agencies of their law enforcement authority and instead set up a system of block grants to states with a lot of federal lands within their borders to augment local law enforcement response.

"Let's not kid ourselves. The blood pressure is running high, especially in southern Utah, and I don't want anyone to get killed," Chaffetz said, adding his bill has the endorsement of his Utah colleagues in the House.

Chaffetz said he also wants to issue subpoenas to the "out of control" federal agencies to learn why they want to purchase submachine guns. He said he has had repeated meetings and sent letters to the BLM's national director, Neil Kornze, with no satisfactory response to his questions.

[link to www.ksl.com]

He's wrong, they're more like Don Knotts than Rambo.

Don Knotts with machine guns and hand grenades.


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That one's always MY favorite. Who stops a car with a bullet?

If you're a good shot, you can create a new deadly hazard as a sure thing by killing the driver while they fly down the road at a dangerous speed.

Killing drivers at the first sign that they could have vehicular assault in mind is nothing short of reckless endangerment, not even to mention the deprivation of the life of well-meaning motorists not expecting to be shot by the "peace officers" who look on the general public with suspicion as though they are enemies on the battle field.

This is the kind of abuse that draws the UN out of the woodwork.
When we hear of other governments doing this shit, they condemn it or issue a resolution. Continued offenses, and they start sending 'observers'.
They've been wanting in for a long time, and those in power are more than willing to let them.

We'll have to wait and see how far this goes.

Murder and attempted murderer...when law and order is corrupt there is no law at all.

Ive been saying for years now this is how they plan on dealing with the "holdouts" when they come to confiscate your weapons and property. They will first regulate and thin out the herd, then they will send the peon out to take your property, then those who dont bow down will be 'wacoed" out.

After seeing the video, there shouldnt be any question about whether they are capable of doing it.

From 2013 - Congressional hearings on BLM:

THREATS, INTIMIDATION AND BULLYING BY FEDERAL LAND MANAGING AGENCIES

The Supreme Court has called on Congress to fashion a legal
remedy, a cause of action, through which the victims of abuse can have the opportunity to seek redress in the courts. This hearing, I hope, is going to be the first step in getting Congress to protect and strengthen civil rights--and property rights are civil rights--of people whose property the government wants to take without compensation.

[link to www.gpo.gov (secure)]

Then from 2014, Part 2 of congressional hearings on BLM:

House panel discusses fixing 'abuses' by BLM, Forest Service land managers

A House panel yesterday continued to hammer away at what GOP lawmakers, local government leaders and ranchers called federal "bullying" tactics and overreach that has gotten out of hand and threatens the very welfare of communities across the West.

One of the major talking points at yesterday's House Natural Resources Subcommittee on Public Lands and Environmental Regulation hearing was Forest Service actions in New Mexico to fence off small streams and waterways in areas of federal grazing allotments to protect habitat for the New Mexico meadow jumping mouse, which the Fish and Wildlife Service recently listed as endangered.

The area in question is covered by current federal grazing allotments where the mouse is known to live, but where ranchers hold water rights. One of those areas is a small spring-fed stream in the mountains of southern New Mexico called Aqua Chiquita, where the Forest Service has installed fences around the spring with small openings to allow cattle to get water.

The closures have angered New Mexico ranchers and some elected officials, who have accused the agency of essentially taking their water rights.

"The Forest Service came in, in spite of the fact these private property rights exist, and fenced around them," Blair Dunn, a private attorney in Albuquerque who represents cattle ranchers, told the panel yesterday. "At the end of the day, it was still their private property. It was still the U.S. Forest Service ignoring the laws of the state of New Mexico when it comes to water, and ignoring those laws in order to trample private property rights."

Dunn asked Congress to find a solution, and he suggested legislation allowing local governments and property owners to take legal action against employees of the Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management when they overstep their authority.

"At the end of the day, that is what we are talking about: oversight and a solution that allows the public to take them to court," Dunn said.

But most of the hearing was dominated by concerns about the "militarization" of land management agencies, specifically BLM and the Forest Service.

[link to democrats-naturalresources.house.gov (secure)]

And yet, they have done nothing to address these issues. What recourse other than civil disobedience does a person have when faced with these abuses?