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The case against HELL - How Jesus preached this eternal damnation into existance.

 
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The case against HELL - How Jesus preached this eternal damnation into existance.
It's true, the concept of Hell exists now, as an ETERNAL damnation, and a "hellfire" in only two places.

The New Testament, and the Quran.

Jesus spoke of it, but before that it didn't exist in the Old Testament.

Consider this:

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“Hell” Is Not an Old Testament doctrine:

Popular myth: Hell is an established Biblical doctrine that is in the Bible from start to finish. This is not true! Two thirds of the Bible (the Old Testament) do not mention Hell at all. (“Sheol,” the Old Testament word that is sometimes translated as Hell, only means “grave” by definition, and it is where everyone in the Old Testament went when they died--good or evil, Jew or Gentile). Thus the Old Testament does not contain the concept of Hell!

Think about it………

If Hell is real, why didn’t God make that warning plain right at the beginning of the Bible? God said the penalty for eating of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was death--not “eternal life” in fire and brimstone.

If Hell is real, why wasn’t Cain warned about it, or Sodom and Gomorrah, or any of those who committed the earliest recorded “sins?”

If Hell is real why didn't Moses warn about this fate in the Ten Commandments or the Mosaic Covenant consisting of over 600 laws, ordinances, and warnings? The Mosaic Law simply stated blessings and cursings in this lifetime.

If Hell is real, why are its roots in paganism, rather than the Bible? Many nations surrounding Israel in the Old Testament believed in Hell-like punishment in the afterlife, for they served bloodthirsty and evil “gods,” while Israel simply taught the grave (sheol) and a hope of a resurrection. If Hell is real, why was the revelation of it first given to pagan nations, instead of God’s covenant people? Did God expect Israel to learn about the afterlife from the Pagan Gentiles? If so, why did He repeatedly warn Israel to not learn of their ways?

If Hell is real, why did God tell the Jews that burning their children alive in the fire to the false god Molech, (in the valley of Gehenna) was so detestable to Him? God said that such a thing “never even entered His mind” (Jer. 32:35). How could God say such a thing to Israel, if He has plans to burn alive a good majority of His own creation in a spiritual and eternal Gehenna of His own making?

**FACT: The King James Bible erroneously translates the word “Sheol” as Hell a total of 31 times in the Old Testament, thus setting a foundation for that doctrine in the New Testament as well as the majority of Bible translations to follow the KJV. Even so, most new translations have completely eliminated Hell from the Old Testament, as honest and better scholarship has demanded. The Jewish version of the Old Testament (the Tanakh) has no concept of Hell in it. The importance of this fact cannot be over-emphasized. If a doctrine does not appear as seed form in the books of the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms, it cannot fairly be taught as a major biblical doctrine, if indeed it can be taught as biblical at all!

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I wouldn't mind opening a fair discussion on this subject, as it seems to me that the concept of a fiery eternal hell is either perhaps a misinterpratation?

The only reason I bring it up is that it shocked me recently to find out that the Old Testament has a different concept of "the bad place", and that it isn't even eternal, as Jesus taught.

And Jesus did say that he came to change no laws, right?
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I fear you're casting your pearls before swine, brother.

Modern Christianity wants no part of her Hebraic Roots. Most the protestant Christian sects out there are more intent upon following the RCC than their true roots.

It's sad, but it was foretold.
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People, revelation is at hand. The mystery of Hell and the resurrection plane of damnation has been solved. Hell is below and warring against us all, we are on an Earth resurrection plane of damnation.

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Philippians 4:7
And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ


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Judgement by Hell, Salvation By 4th Heaven

Thread: Jesus Brings the Sword to Stir Condemnation of Earth and 3 Heavens, Revelation of their Transformation into the Resurrection Plane of Damnation

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Re: The case against HELL - How Jesus preached this eternal damnation into existance.
OP.

It is NOT a trick question.

Choose (1) or (2) for ALL ETERNITY...

(1) To live WITH GOD in GODS HOUSE of Love Light Happiness Forever!

(2) To live APART FROM GOD in SATANS HOUSE of Hate Darkness Unhappiness Forever!

The choice is yours!

IF BY YOUR OWN CHOICE YOU WILLINGLY CHOOSE (2) THEN YOU SEPARATE YOURSELF OFF FROM GOD AND YOU WILLINGLY LEAVE BEHIND ALL LOVE LIGHT AND HAPPINESS!

THE DEVIL IS ANTI-LOVE ANTI-LIGHT ANTI-HAPPINESS AND YOU WILLINGLY CONDEMN YOURSELF TO HELL WHICH IS REAL!
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It's quite obvious. Hell is just getting closer to the zero. Since the zero is a representation of the VOID, it cannot be achieved since we are alive...and earth math is wrong. Eternal damnation it is, finding yourself with so much distance from the ONE. GOD BLESS
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OP.

It is NOT a trick question.

Choose (1) or (2) for ALL ETERNITY...

(1) To live WITH GOD in GODS HOUSE of Love Light Happiness Forever!

(2) To live APART FROM GOD in SATANS HOUSE of Hate Darkness Unhappiness Forever!

The choice is yours!

IF BY YOUR OWN CHOICE YOU WILLINGLY CHOOSE (2) THEN YOU SEPARATE YOURSELF OFF FROM GOD AND YOU WILLINGLY LEAVE BEHIND ALL LOVE LIGHT AND HAPPINESS!

THE DEVIL IS ANTI-LOVE ANTI-LIGHT ANTI-HAPPINESS AND YOU WILLINGLY CONDEMN YOURSELF TO HELL WHICH IS REAL!
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And there will be those that think they are going to heaven and won't. You sound like one of them.
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If you beleive in and accept Jesus but DONT beleive in hell...

Are you still saved?
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If you argue against hell enough

does that make you feel confident that you are not going there?
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If you argue against hell enough

does that make you feel confident that you are not going there?
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Covid and hell have this in common.

Both are PTB engineered MYTHS.
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Look around you, this IS hell.
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If you beleive in and accept Jesus but DONT beleive in hell...

Are you still saved?
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Saved from what ?
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Look around you, this IS hell.
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You're a pussy.

Your life is cake.
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If you beleive in and accept Jesus but DONT beleive in hell...

Are you still saved?
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Saved from what ?
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From that hell you beleieve in.

Just wondering if not beleiving God is a torture loving merciless heartless cunt diqualifies you from salvation
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If you argue against hell enough

does that make you feel confident that you are not going there?
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Covid and hell have this in common.

Both are PTB engineered MYTHS.
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So you say you are not going to hell.

Are you going to God's Paradise?

Why would He let you in to His Holy Place?

Because you say so?
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If you beleive in and accept Jesus but DONT beleive in hell...

Are you still saved?
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Saved from what ?
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From that hell you beleieve in.

Just wondering if not beleiving God is a torture loving merciless heartless cunt diqualifies you from salvation
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You deserve hell.
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Look around you, this IS hell.
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You're a pussy.

Your life is cake.
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My life has nothing to do with the whole planet. Is it not a hell right now?

We can easily change it from a hell to paradise though.
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If you beleive in and accept Jesus but DONT beleive in hell...

Are you still saved?
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Saved from what ?
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From that hell you beleieve in.

Just wondering if not beleiving God is a torture loving merciless heartless cunt diqualifies you from salvation
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You deserve hell.
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Why?

For NOT beleiving that as you obviously do?
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If you beleive in and accept Jesus but DONT beleive in hell...

Are you still saved?
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Saved from what ?
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From that hell you beleieve in.

Just wondering if not beleiving God is a torture loving merciless heartless cunt diqualifies you from salvation
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Well the hell is still going on, Earth is still ran by pedophile criminals.

I don't think anyone is saved. You aren't saved from anything?
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Saved from what ?
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From that hell you beleieve in.

Just wondering if not beleiving God is a torture loving merciless heartless cunt diqualifies you from salvation
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You deserve hell.
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Why?

For NOT beleiving that as you obviously do?
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Reincarnation was removed from Bible around 500ish a.d

Then the hell/heaven threats and lies started after.
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Look around you, this IS hell.
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You're a pussy.

Your life is cake.
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My life has nothing to do with the whole planet. Is it not a hell right now?

We can easily change it from a hell to paradise though.
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You are so full of shit it's not even worth bothering.
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Look around you, this IS hell.
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You're a pussy.

Your life is cake.
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My life has nothing to do with the whole planet. Is it not a hell right now?

We can easily change it from a hell to paradise though.
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You are so full of shit it's not even worth bothering.
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Is Earth not ran by a cabal of criminals and pedophiles?

Or is Earth a utopia?
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You're a pussy.

Your life is cake.
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My life has nothing to do with the whole planet. Is it not a hell right now?

We can easily change it from a hell to paradise though.
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You are so full of shit it's not even worth bothering.
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Is Earth not ran by a cabal of criminals and pedophiles?

Or is Earth a utopia?
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Men, just like you, are evil.
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Hell is for those who hate God.


"What are we talking about? What is it we want people saved from? That is the compelling question. The answer to that question, as far as Scripture is concerned, is a simple answer. We want to see people saved from eternal punishment, punishment that never ends. Conscious existence, conscious life in a body resurrected and suited for everlasting punishment. The Bible speaks of that as occurring in a place that we know as hell. In the Old Testament, the word Sheol makes reference to that in a general way. In the New Testament, the word Hades is sometimes with reference to that. But always the word hell coming from the Greek word Gehenna speaks of what the book of Revelation calls this Lake of Fire where people are punished and tormented forever.

I think we sort of comfortably distance ourselves from that reality. Certainly in general in the church it is looked over, passed by, ignored. There are those who claim to be preachers who don’t ever talk about hell, wouldn’t talk about hell, avoid it at all costs, when the truth of the matter is, it ought to be the first thing that we talk about when we talk about the gospel. This is about salvation from hell.

The doctrine of hell, the truth of hell, the reality of hell has found its way into the thinking of our culture. According to the latest survey that I could find, seventy-five percent of people living in America believe in hell. They believe there’s a hell. That’s the influence of Christianity, 75 percent. Of those 75 percent, four percent believe there is any chance that they will ever go there. So we’ve gotten our point across. There is a hell. But we haven’t gotten the point across that you’re headed there already. That’s the issue."


The Truth About Hell (Selected Scriptures)


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This threads turning into the usual "im holier than you, and you deserve eternal torture for not being as holy as I am" fight.

Im outta here.

The stench of satanic self rightousness is nauseating.
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This threads turning into the usual "im holier than you, and you deserve eternal torture for not being as holy as I am" fight.

Im outta here.

The stench of satanic self rightousness is nauseating.
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Who said they are holy?

Flee, you damned evil liar.
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My life has nothing to do with the whole planet. Is it not a hell right now?

We can easily change it from a hell to paradise though.
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You are so full of shit it's not even worth bothering.
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Is Earth not ran by a cabal of criminals and pedophiles?

Or is Earth a utopia?
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Men, just like you, are evil.
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first off it is 2020 and you can't just assume one's gender anymore, but for the record I am NOT a man.

Secondly, how exactly am I evil?

I am not the one calling people on an internet forum names like pussy or claiming they are full of shit and evil.

Hmm?
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How many days until your eternal reward?
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This threads turning into the usual "im holier than you, and you deserve eternal torture for not being as holy as I am" fight.

Im outta here.

The stench of satanic self rightousness is nauseating.
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Who said they are holy?

Flee, you damned evil liar.
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I rest my case.

Bye.
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You are so full of shit it's not even worth bothering.
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Is Earth not ran by a cabal of criminals and pedophiles?

Or is Earth a utopia?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79683218

Men, just like you, are evil.
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first off it is 2020 and you can't just assume one's gender anymore, but for the record I am NOT a man.

Secondly, how exactly am I evil?

I am not the one calling people on an internet forum names like pussy or claiming they are full of shit and evil.

Hmm?
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As if your gender even matters slightly...stupid woman.





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