The case against HELL - How Jesus preached this eternal damnation into existance.

I'm outside the realm of time and space. So what does eternal mean in this context? Cause according to where I am standing, it means nothing.

Apples and oranges, am I right.

oh and when it comes to punishment, they'd first need to figure out what isn't my pleasures. That's going to be a very long process. Almost an 'eternal' one, if time had anything to do with it.

lets not forget the obvious here though, before you punish anyone, assuming you know how, you have to catch them first. So there is that one too.

oh but there is more, you also have to have a motive for doing so, punishing someone for no reason just wouldn't make sense. Especially if you 'loved' them. Particularly if you were said to die on the cross to cover them for wrongdoing.

The problem with this is also, I'm never going to give anyone a reason to punish me, and if they tried it, it's a war I'm determined to win. So this is a lost cause from the start in many ways. That's how we know that it's not a doctrine of Jesus, because Jesus was suppose to be on our side, The side of truth and love.

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And there is all of eternity to become the best we can be. We won’t ever run out of time.

Simple.

Two places.

Do you want to be with God and love God

or do you want to be away from God and against God like you are.

You are what you are.

If you shake your fist at God all your life,

do you want to go be with God forever in the afterlife?

Is Jesus supposed to welcome Jesus-haters along with Jesus-believers to the same place?

Wouldn't that just be the same as here?

The people that are bothered by hell

and argue against hell

are concerned because their consciences tell them they really might be headed for hell.

Why would you refuse Jesus?

Believers will not be mixed with unbelievers. There are many heavens. Every religion has its own heaven where its believers will go, and they will stay there by their own free will until they grow tired of it and desire to know if there is something higher. The mere seeking of it will draw the help they need to learn more.

Do you just make this up?

Why do you believe this?

It’s based on the writings of the spiritualists of the 1850’s - 1950’s who made contact with the spirits of the dead and published books on their findings. It’s better to have a belief in something than to believe in nothing, but no religion has all the truth.

Books on Life After Death
[link to new-birth.net (secure)]

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What is the origin of the teaching of hellfire?

In ancient Babylonian* and Assyrian beliefs the “nether world . . . is pictured as a place full of horrors, and is presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” (The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, Boston, 1898, Morris Jastrow, Jr., p. 581) Early evidence of the fiery aspect of Christendom’s hell is found in the religion of ancient Egypt. (The Book of the Dead, New Hyde Park, N.Y., 1960, with introduction by E. A. Wallis Budge, pp. 144, 149, 151, 153, 161) Buddhism, which dates back to the 6th century B.C.E., in time came to feature both hot and cold hells. (The Encyclopedia Americana, 1977, Vol. 14, p. 68) Depictions of hell portrayed in Catholic churches in Italy have been traced to Etruscan roots.—La civiltà etrusca (Milan, 1979), Werner Keller, p. 389.

But the real roots of this God-dishonoring doctrine go much deeper. The fiendish concepts associated with a hell of torment slander God and originate with the chief slanderer of God (the Devil, which name means “Slanderer

* One of the main disgusting lies of "Babylon the Great", a.k.a. "all false religion".

There isn't any 'need' -that I can see- for "Jesus-haters" or wrongheadedness-in-general lovers, and spewers-thereof, to be punished.

The 'need'- and a desperate need it is at that- is for them to simply s.t.f.u. , forever!

You don't want God

and you don't want hell.

Why don't you want God?

I love God.
God doesn't lie.
Unlike yourself?
Don't ask me questions I'm 'forbidden' to answer!

[I know from experience I will be banned now . First comes the captcha, then- etc etc etc]
Relevant scriptures not allowed-]

Go on...

k.

"At Matthew 10:28, Jesus warned his hearers to “be in fear of him that can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.” What does it mean?
Notice that there is no mention here of torment in the fires of Gehenna; rather, he says to ‘fear him that can destroy in Gehenna.’
By referring to the “soul” separately, Jesus here emphasizes that God can destroy all of a person’s life prospects;
thus there is no hope of resurrection for him.
So, the references to the ‘fiery Gehenna’ have the same meaning as ‘the lake of fire’ of Revelation 21:8, namely, destruction, “second death.”

What does the Bible say the penalty for sin is?

Rom. 6:23: “The wages sin pays is death.”

After one’s death, is he still subject to further punishment for his sins?

Rom. 6:7: “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”

Is eternal torment of the wicked compatible with God’s personality?

Jer. 7:31: “They [apostate )udeans] have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.” (If it never came into God’s heart, surely he does not have and use such a thing on a larger scale.)

Illustration: What would you think of a parent who held his child’s hand over a fire to punish the child for wrongdoing?
“God is love.” (1 John 4:8) Would he do what no right-minded human parent would do? Certainly not!"