Chaol Speaks:Reality, consciousness, time-space, mind, matter, and more

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it seems that I missed the window...

That's so true! Thanks for the bump :)

it seems that I missed the window...

If you're reading this, then you haven't.

If you're reading this, then you haven't.

Wow! See, we still need you!

"Should" in relation to what intention?

Here's a bunch of text from the book, if I may :)

2.06 How to Get What You Want

Nobody cares what you want – except you. But even then, you don't really care that much, because those wants are always changing in small ways. Your wants and desires are like undefined thoughts – emotions – and are as nebulous as the sea. They morph as your perspective does. What you really care about is that which you can actually perceive – the drama surrounding your wants and desires.

Do you really want to buy a new house, or is what you really want all of the benefits it could bring? If it did not have those benefits, would you still want it? If you could get into a time machine and see yourself 10 years from now you probably wouldn't care about what kind of car or job your future self wanted, especially if those things were different from what your younger self wanted. We only desire something when we can perceive what surrounds it, while the thing itself – an illusion – is just an interface to those other things that we really want but can't define as easily.

That your wants and desires are ultimately meaningless is wonderful. It means that your conscious thoughts can impose meaning onto reality rather than having meaning imposed onto it. It also means you can bring experiences closer to your reality by beginning to perceive and experience what surrounds it rather than trying to perceive the thing itself.[...]


I don't really have anything to say about the story, but out of the untold thousands of people who "win" something, there is likely to be at least a handful who have what they think is coincidence involved, and at least a few of those who tell another, who tells another, etc.

In this way we would get the sense that reality is something that happens to us, rather than something that we are the source of.

Is it more meaningful to see the number "55" in 20 different places this week or more meaningful that your perspective is everywhere you look? It's easier to notice the 55, I would think, as one at least has a reference to go by.

Something that permeates everything doesn't have a reference, so would be almost impossible to notice.


"Only the conscious mind is concerned with reality because it isn't aren't aware of what reality actually is."

For me, when thinking about being surrounded by illusions (because nothing can be perceived directly) it takes on more of an 'entertainment' role because reality is what you make it.

There are a few repeating words and phrases that Chaol used that I thought deeply about, and "entertainment" is one of them. He preferred more of the classical definitions of many words, and of this it would be something more like, "provision for the maintenance of a certain frame of mind," which I have found to point to our brains need for continuous dopamine flow.

Dopamine is essential to understanding human behaviour, I think, as it seems to be that which

A greater human imperative than surviving, I think, is the need for the feeling of survival. What good is being something if one doesn't feel one is? This is where dopamine comes in.

Dopamine = entertainment. That which allows us to avoid our primal fear of not existing (of being the void) which I know from firsthand experience is an extremely frightening thing (per a vivid dream I had where I related to absolutely nothing else, or so it seeed).

Too much continuous dopamine flows and surges leads to cognitive disability, among other things. It is essential to understanding why we do the things we do, and will be covered in the next book.

There is no reason to understand any of it other than to feel like one exists. It's another layer of the cake.

The arguments of Chaon go beyond ego to a more fundamental question. We can sense that other beings are self-aware and have ego. 

But what are we really 'conscious' of? If we say that we are, when we see a cup, are we then after perceiving what we see, aware of it's complete nature? What do we really know when we are only seeing about 15 of its electromagnetic signature? 

We can also apply this to ourselves and realize that our consciousness may be an illusion.

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The 6th Key: Emotions are Illusions

6-1: Emotions have no bearing on physical reality
6-2: Nobody cares what you want, including you
6-3: Emotions inhibit clear thinking and lead to reality misinterpretation

tl:dr: Emotions are illusions, not the authority of your reality and experience

Summary

Feelings are abstractions. You could feel more happy if you thought about happy things. You could feel more sad if you thought about sad things. So which is how you really feel Neither.

Emotions are simply what happens when your thoughts get out of control. Don't confuse thoughts with emotions. One is an illusion that becomes real. The other is just a trick of the brain to get you to do stuff, an illusion that wants you to make it reality.

A thing cannot be true, because its existence depends entirely on comparing and contrasting it with other things that then define its existence. Feelings and emotions cannot be true, either, because they are entirely based on other things for their existence.

Like nature, do what should be done, not what you feel like doing. Base your actions on clearly defined thoughts, not your feelings.

And, thus, we have reached the limit of English expression. I'd argue that feelings and emotions are entirely different things.

Are we not feel-ing all the time? A feel-ing is, well, a feeling. A sense associated with some-thing, mattering not what the -thing is. One feels a state of being (the feel-ing behind thoughts in the form of words), one feels actions (not abstractly, in the form of the "5 senses"), one feels consequences, etc. A feel-ing is different from an emotion, when we're talking about English.


It's said in this material that emotions are to chaos, unfolding, but I'd argue the view that emotions could easily be viewed as folded situations. Thoughts are folded states of being, actions are unfolded thoughts, con-sequences are folded actions, situations are unfolded con-sequences. Looking at things conventionally (as cause and effect), situations cause emotions. Without the value of the situation, there'd be no emotion to be had. More abstractly, one can unfold an emotion into a situation, implying emotion to be folded. Though, one can reverse each fold/unfold and the chain would remain true, which is a fun exercise which ends in the conclusion of 'emotions, at the end of the chain, can be either folded or unfolded states of being.

There is no cause/effect in a perceptual model. Thoughts do not cause feelings or emotions, feelings and emotions do not cause thoughts. They cause each other, depending on the perspective (as they're the same thing, like everything). Because this is the case, and because (the irony of the word be-cause when arguing against cause/effect is not lost on me) emotions can be either folded or unfolded states of being, perhaps the focus could be less on doing things because the "should" be done or if they are "felt like" being done and more on being able to identify the logic whereby experienced emotions are come.

I felt like I should respond in this way :)

Nice story.

“In this universe, there’s just you and me.” But I would hope the person knows, after hearing all that, that there's just 'me' and another me pretending to be god.

This reminds me of when I killed myself, or tried to. I was about 13 and took a bit more than 32 sleeping pills, which should have been enough to kill three of me. My experience was quite interesting, and it seems that I did, indeed, "die" in a way... by waking up to the life beyond whatever I thought myself to be. I even had the experience of dictating a book (or transcribing it) from another aspect of who I was.

Maaaaan, the times I've died (two definitely, two additional suspected, many more probable), life (perspective?) just continued into the next second as if it hadn't happened. It's not a competition, but I'm sort of envious lol.

The first time I read The Egg was a formative experience. It was quite shocking to read it just now and see how differently I see it now than I did viewing it from my memory

That's so true! Thanks for the bump :)

When is your book coming out?