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Electricity from seawater: New method efficiently produces hydrogen peroxide for fuel cells

 
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Electricity from seawater: New method efficiently produces hydrogen peroxide for fuel cells
Scientists have used sunlight to turn seawater (H2O) into hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), which can then be used in fuel cells to generate electricity. It is the first photocatalytic method of H2O2 production that achieves a high enough efficiency so that the H2O2 can be used in a fuel cell.

The researchers, led by Shunichi Fukuzumi at Osaka University, have published a paper on the new method of the photocatalytic production of hydrogen peroxide in a recent issue of Nature Communications.

"The most earth-abundant resource, seawater, is utilized to produce a solar fuel that is H2O2," Fukuzumi told Phys.org.

The biggest advantage of using liquid H2O2 instead of gaseous hydrogen (H2), as most fuel cells today use, is that the liquid form is much easier to store at high densities. Typically, H2 gas must be either highly compressed, or in certain cases, cooled to its liquid state at cryogenic temperatures. In contrast, liquid H2O2 can be stored and transported at high densities much more easily and safely.

The problem is that that, until now, there has been no efficient photocatalytic method of producing liquid H2O2. (There are ways to produce H2O2 that don't use sunlight, but they require so much energy that they are not practical for use in a method whose goal is to produce energy.)

In the new study, the researchers developed a new photoelectrochemical cell, which is basically a solar cell that produces H2O2. When sunlight illuminates the photocatalyst, the photocatalyst absorbs photons and uses the energy to initiate chemical reactions (seawater oxidation and the reduction of O2) in a way that ultimately produces H2O2.


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Ah to hell with electricity, ain't nobody got time for dat
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Several Christians who hear the Lord's voice have been been sharing that there is a new energy method/source that will be introduced soon. It will be virtually cost-free and will greatly reduce the need for petroleum products.
We will have to wait and see.
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This should be front page news...

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It could be made to be more efficient by just using the electrolytes. It's salt water after all. This must be very old news as I remember having many conversations about sea water and H2O2 way back in the day in the 70's-80's. I remember some things like using desalination machines to make a charged form of brown's gas along with the H2O2. <sorry deleted the rest>

I just remembered this was my Grandpa, his buddy and me when I was quite a bit younger. They were some great inventors and awesome people.

Thanks for bringing back some of those great memories OP.
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It could be made to be more efficient by just using the electrolytes. It's salt water after all. This must be very old news as I remember having many conversations about sea water and H2O2 way back in the day in the 70's-80's. I remember some things like using desalination machines to make a charged form of brown's gas along with the H2O2. <sorry deleted the rest>

I just remembered this was my Grandpa, his buddy and me when I was quite a bit younger. They were some great inventors and awesome people.

Thanks for bringing back some of those great memories OP.
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I'm sure big business shuts this sort of stuff down. I can remember years ago someone invented something that created water in the desert by using condensation. Could never find it afterwards, it was on an old British TV programme called Tomorrow's World.
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It could be made to be more efficient by just using the electrolytes. It's salt water after all. This must be very old news as I remember having many conversations about sea water and H2O2 way back in the day in the 70's-80's. I remember some things like using desalination machines to make a charged form of brown's gas along with the H2O2. <sorry deleted the rest>

I just remembered this was my Grandpa, his buddy and me when I was quite a bit younger. They were some great inventors and awesome people.

Thanks for bringing back some of those great memories OP.
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I'm sure big business shuts this sort of stuff down. I can remember years ago someone invented something that created water in the desert by using condensation. Could never find it afterwards, it was on an old British TV programme called Tomorrow's World.
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This? [link to www.smithsonianmag.com]
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So basically one would have complete independence from oil and electric industry if he was to install a large enough array of solar panels producing H2O2.

One could store enough H2O2 to use as fuel to heat up the house.
Also store a lot of H2O2 in summer times when the sun is shinning to generate electricity for winter times, using a H2O2 generator. No more batteries needed.

Well, i guess it depends on how efficient this technology is. It would have to be higher than around 15% normal solar panels are for the additional purposes i named, other than producing fuel for a car.

But even if not, being able to produce fuel for your car independent of the oil industry or anyone else would be a big plus.
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It could be made to be more efficient by just using the electrolytes. It's salt water after all. This must be very old news as I remember having many conversations about sea water and H2O2 way back in the day in the 70's-80's. I remember some things like using desalination machines to make a charged form of brown's gas along with the H2O2. <sorry deleted the rest>

I just remembered this was my Grandpa, his buddy and me when I was quite a bit younger. They were some great inventors and awesome people.

Thanks for bringing back some of those great memories OP.
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I'm sure big business shuts this sort of stuff down. I can remember years ago someone invented something that created water in the desert by using condensation. Could never find it afterwards, it was on an old British TV programme called Tomorrow's World.
 Quoting: Tess.


This? [link to www.smithsonianmag.com]
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That's a good invention, don't know why they don't promote that. It wasn't the one I remember though, that consisted of a big wall maybe of glass or something I think.
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Overall, the system has a total solar-to-electricity efficiency of 0.28%. (The photocatalytic production of H2O2 from seawater has an efficiency of 0.55%, and the fuel cell has an efficiency of 50%.)
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Now that's a very low efficiency right there, so i guess we'll have to wait a bit until what i typed above would be imaginable.
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AWESOME!
Imagine a world where we converted salt water to fresh potable water via desalination on the cheap and the electricity to run the thing with the very same ocean water.

hmmm


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AWESOME!
Imagine a world where we converted salt water to freah potable water via Desal on the cheap and electricity to run the thing with the very same ocean water.


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It could be made to be more efficient by just using the electrolytes. It's salt water after all. This must be very old news as I remember having many conversations about sea water and H2O2 way back in the day in the 70's-80's. I remember some things like using desalination machines to make a charged form of brown's gas along with the H2O2. <sorry deleted the rest>

I just remembered this was my Grandpa, his buddy and me when I was quite a bit younger. They were some great inventors and awesome people.

Thanks for bringing back some of those great memories OP.
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I'm sure big business shuts this sort of stuff down. I can remember years ago someone invented something that created water in the desert by using condensation. Could never find it afterwards, it was on an old British TV programme called Tomorrow's World.
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So basically one would have complete independence from oil and electric industry if he was to install a large enough array of solar panels producing H2O2.

One could store enough H2O2 to use as fuel to heat up the house.
Also store a lot of H2O2 in summer times when the sun is shinning to generate electricity for winter times, using a H2O2 generator. No more batteries needed.

Well, i guess it depends on how efficient this technology is. It would have to be higher than around 15% normal solar panels are for the additional purposes i named, other than producing fuel for a car.

But even if not, being able to produce fuel for your car independent of the oil industry or anyone else would be a big plus.
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Energy storage has taken leaps and bounds. Storage of power is vital. The newer EESDS look like the future IMO. Heat stored in water, to take advantage of the conversion energy, should be used as well.
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Re: Electricity from seawater: New method efficiently produces hydrogen peroxide for fuel cells
It could be made to be more efficient by just using the electrolytes. It's salt water after all. This must be very old news as I remember having many conversations about sea water and H2O2 way back in the day in the 70's-80's. I remember some things like using desalination machines to make a charged form of brown's gas along with the H2O2. <sorry deleted the rest>

I just remembered this was my Grandpa, his buddy and me when I was quite a bit younger. They were some great inventors and awesome people.

Thanks for bringing back some of those great memories OP.
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I'm sure big business shuts this sort of stuff down. I can remember years ago someone invented something that created water in the desert by using condensation. Could never find it afterwards, it was on an old British TV programme called Tomorrow's World.
 Quoting: Tess.


This? [link to www.smithsonianmag.com]
 Quoting: Face Palmer


That's a good invention, don't know why they don't promote that. It wasn't the one I remember though, that consisted of a big wall maybe of glass or something I think.
 Quoting: Tess.


in sth american where there is low rainfall some folks in the hills have put up chain fencing and at night the moisture condense's on the fence which is designed to direct the water to a collection point they have been using this water to water the food crops they can now grow because of this type of fencing you would be surprised at just how much water can be gathered this way





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