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Police state? Who, US?

"...The Homeland Security chief, who is nearing his two-year mark with the agency, was likely trying to quell rampant skepticism about the IDs voiced by some privacy advocates, immigrants and other groups. Some have said they fear that the IDs are a stepping stone to a veritable police state, complete with ready surveillance of individuals. ..."

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Homeland Security chief defends Real ID plan
By Anne Broache, CNET News.com
Published on ZDNet News: December 14, 2006, 12:01 PM PT

WASHINGTON--U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Thursday defended forthcoming national ID cards as vital for security and consistent with privacy rights.

Chertoff said one of his agency's top goals next year is to forge ahead with recommendations for the controversial documents established by a federal law called the Real ID Act in May 2005. By 2008, Americans may be required to present such federally approved cards--which must be electronically readable--to travel on an airplane, open a bank account or take advantage of myriad government services such as Social Security.

"I think this is an example (of) when security and privacy go hand in hand," the Homeland Security chief said in a half-hour speech at George Washington University here. "It is a win-win for both."

The importance of such documents was magnified by an announcement Wednesday, Chertoff said. Federal authorities reported that they had made more than 1,200 arrests related to immigration violations and unmasked criminal organizations stealing and trafficking in genuine birth certificates and Social Security cards belonging to U.S. citizens.

"Do you think your privacy is better protected if someone can walk around with phony docs with your name and your Social Security number, or is your privacy better protected if you have the confidence that the identification relied upon is in fact reliable and uniquely tied to a single individual?" Chertoff asked rhetorically.

The upcoming federally approved IDs are intended to be a secure, tamperproof means of protecting Americans' identities while keeping out terrorists and other wrongdoers, Chertoff said.

The Homeland Security chief, who is nearing his two-year mark with the agency, was likely trying to quell rampant skepticism about the IDs voiced by some privacy advocates, immigrants and other groups. Some have said they fear that the IDs are a stepping stone to a veritable police state, complete with ready surveillance of individuals.

Some have argued that the idea of creating more tamperproof IDs is only a marginally better way to screen out those intent on committing terrorist acts because ID cards don't even begin to tackle a core crime prevention challenge: determining a person's unspoken intentions.

State governments have also been critical of the 2008 deadline and what they have said amounts to an unfunded mandate to switch over their systems. A September study released by the National Governors Association, National Conference of State Legislatures and American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators estimated that the overhaul of their identification systems (PDF) would cost states more than $11 billion over five years. The New Hampshire state legislature even considered passing a law earlier this year that would prohibit the state from complying with the federal Real ID law.

Homeland Security has yet to issue congressionally mandated recommendations for the cards, so it's unclear how, exactly, they would work. The cards must contain, at a minimum, a person's name, birth date, gender, ID number, digital portrait, address, "physical security features" to prevent tampering or counterfeiting and a "common machine-readable technology" specified by Homeland Security.

A recent draft report by a DHS advisory committee(PDF) advised against using radio frequency identification technology, or RFID, in tracking humans because of privacy concerns.

The purpose of Chertoff's Thursday morning speech was to reflect on the agency's work during the past year and to outline goals for 2007. For the past year, he focused on three major areas: immigration and border security, Hurricane Katrina recovery and a foiled terrorism plot originating from London in August.

Conspicuously absent was any mention of the department's cybersecurity plans. After more than a year of delay, Chertoff hired Gregory Garcia, who had been working as a vice president at the Information Technology Association of America lobby group, as the department's first assistant secretary for cybersecurity. That step came after the department had sustained repeated bashing of its efforts in that realm from members of Congress.
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Chertoff said one of his agency's top goals next year is to forge ahead with recommendations for the controversial documents established by a federal law called the Real ID Act in May 2005. By 2008, Americans may be required to present such federally approved cards--which must be electronically readable--to travel on an airplane, open a bank account or take advantage of myriad government services such as Social Security.


Sig Heil Chertoff! Why not use the plan of your idol, a tattooed number on the hand of each american!
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The "Real ID plan has to be stopped or turned around. Some say it is akin to the "Mark of the Beast"....in other words you won't be able to buy or sell etc. etc. without it. They will have a database on everything you do. VE Vant to see your papers!
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That skull faced guy is a danger to every sane person.

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He is scary isn't he? He would send you to the front in a minute! If America doesn't have a front they will make one.....or their camps.
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That fucker will get what's coming to him in the end.
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People will roll over and take it, as soon as they realize they might lose their precious Lexus if they don't.
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Chertoff is a puppet. He's not paid to think but to only follow orders. A dedicated neo-conservative to the end.
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Sadly, all of the Israeli first lunatics will find out the truth the hard way. Isn't it interesting that the U.S. media has completely ignored all of the major stories from this week. Anna Nicole Smith's death has been a perfect diversion from all of the major stories this past week. I doubt we will ever hear anything about the Israel, U.S. pact from any of the scumbags in the MSM. No wonder these parasites are trying to censor the internet.
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Who's willing to give up their bank account, their comfy house, and their new SUV to fight it?
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That may be one of the only good things if the American economy takes a nosedive. If the sheeple aren't living in comfort anymore they it will force them to wake up and start caring what the government is doing.
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Lenin-look-alike Zionist Chertoff is merely trying to implement the plan. Total Zionist control of Murka takes more measures than are currently in place.
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Hey Redhead,...

Good to someone with common sense posting today. Shit is already beyond all control.





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That may be one of the only good things if the American economy takes a nosedive. If the sheeple aren't living in comfort anymore they it will force them to wake up and start caring what the government is doing.
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That is what had to happen last time.
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That is what had to happen last time.
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Yes,...Clearly.




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ID my ass... nohing is going to improve.


Jan 17, 2007
New Concern Over Missing ID Badges At BWI-Marshall

Linthicum, MD -- A Baltimore Congressman is calling the loss of uniforms and identification badges at BWI-Marshall Airport inexcusable breaches of security.

But Transportation Security Administration officials are not calling the loss of the uniforms or badges significant safety threats.

"Lost identification cards and uniforms don't represent a significant threat to security at airports," said a TSA officials, who added, "Uniforms and ID cards are not sufficient by themselves to gain access to secure or sterile areas at the airport."

BWI-Marshall is second in the nation only behind Los Angeles International when it comes to lost or stolen ID cards and security uniforms. Both badges, and uniforms, are worn by TSA officers who staff screening check points and checked baggage operations.

More than 400 uniforms and ID badges have been lost or stolen from BWI since November of 2001.

TSA records showed that 128 uniforms and 31 badges disappeared in 2003 compared to only 97 uniforms and 35 ID cards missing at Washington's Reagan National Airport.

At a time when Homeland Security is a congressional priority, some leaders fear this kind of problem increases the opportunities for terrorist activity.

"To have this type of lapse is totally inexcusable," said Maryland Congressman Dutch Ruppersberger. "The billions of dollars that we have given Homeland Security, especially as it's focused on airport and airplane security more than any other area."

Ruppersberger is also calling for an FBI investigation into the missing articles.

Ruppersberger said those changes are not good enough. He has asked for a clear explanation of the matter and future assurances from Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, that these types of losses will not continue.

[link to wjz.com]
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Who's willing to give up their bank account, their comfy house, and their new SUV to fight it?
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I am, but I'm part of a very small minority, so it will be pointless
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Secretary Michael Chertoff personally ordered a plan to hire a private data aggregator for license and ID card checks.

Homeland Security is granting the right to control our identity to private industry... It will be Identity-Mart Inc."



Catch-22... the money DHS gave to individual states to fight 'terrorism' will be given back to DHS through ID compliance expenses.

Clever..



January 11, 2007
DHS considering outsourcing work for ID law

The Homeland Security Department plans to outsource to a private firm the implementation of a federal law mandating nationwide standards for identification cards, according to a privacy activist who claims to have obtained portions of draft regulations circulated last week.

Homeland Security sent to the White House Office of Management and Budget proposed regulations for the so-called REAL ID Act. The department recommends that a private data aggregator be responsible for key elements of the law's implementation, according to a document posted by Bill Scannell, a spokesman for the Identity Project.

OMB is allowed 90 days to review the draft regulations.

Civil libertarians have cited concerns that REAL ID effectively creates a national ID system.

Scannell did not say if Homeland Security recommended a particular vendor, but he claimed that Secretary Michael Chertoff personally ordered a plan to hire a private data aggregator for license and ID card checks.

Homeland Security is granting the right to control our identity to private industry," Scannell wrote on the Web site UnRealID.com. "It will be Identity-Mart Inc."

A Homeland Security spokesman declined to comment on the issue.

Some states already are moving to reject REAL ID. A bill authored by Montana state Rep. Brady Wiseman would direct the state's Justice Department not to implement the law. The proposal has been referred to the state House Judiciary Committee.

According to Wiseman's bill, REAL ID is "inimical to the security of the people of Montana, will cause unneeded expense and inconvenience to those people, and was adopted by the U.S. Congress in violation of the principles of federalism contained in the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution."

A study released last year by the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, the National Conference of State Legislatures and the National Governors Association estimated that REAL ID will cost states at least $11 billion over the next six years to comply.

Wiseman said he would be opposed to REAL ID regardless of how much money it will cost states to comply. "No amount of funding is going to make compliance okay for me," he said. "This isn't about money."

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Chertoff wants to outsource the job.... maybe Mossad needs work?
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Chertoff wants to outsource the job.... maybe Mossad needs work?

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Of course he does,...Fascists want to control the world.




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"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

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As I said before...if the states reject they lose big money....and it's always about the money. If it comes to that I will drop out of the system one way or the other.
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Just one step closer to encaging us like monkeys in a lab...oh wait some call that globalization! Next step is the chip...some of these chips have interesting symbols on them... [link to www.symbol.com]

Chips RFID are incorporated by the multinationals in some their products to ensure the traceability of it. The chip then makes it possible to locate the product during its distribution, but also after its purchase. Chip RFID being identified at the time of the passage to the case of the supermarket, it can be associated the credit card or the cheque of the purchaser, and thus its identity. Each bought product becomes then a "electronic informer" who allows to locate his user. In addition on certain versions of the RFID, the drawings formed by the circuits of the chip are rather strange, with a kind of swastika, or a quadruple "Tau" (a symbol frank-maçon which one finds in the excellent film "Equilibrium"). The chip was already used in particular by Gilette, "to trace" its disposable razors. It is manufactured by an American company called... Matrics, like by the Japanese companies NEC and Hitachi. It was invented by Gemplus, a French company repurchased by American investors. Chips RFID measure a little less than 1 millimetre. In spite of this miniaturization, they integrate a memory of 1 Kbit and an antenna which emits in the frequency band of the 2,5 GHz.
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Look at the end of 'interesting reads' thread. The bill has already silently passed. Links to the house, bill etc. are available there. It takes effect, not a damn thing we can do about it, verbally...

Police state? Who, US?

"...The Homeland Security chief, who is nearing his two-year mark with the agency, was likely trying to quell rampant skepticism about the IDs voiced by some privacy advocates, immigrants and other groups. Some have said they fear that the IDs are a stepping stone to a veritable police state, complete with ready surveillance of individuals. ..."

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Homeland Security chief defends Real ID plan
By Anne Broache, CNET News.com
Published on ZDNet News: December 14, 2006, 12:01 PM PT

WASHINGTON--U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Thursday defended forthcoming national ID cards as vital for security and consistent with privacy rights.

Chertoff said one of his agency's top goals next year is to forge ahead with recommendations for the controversial documents established by a federal law called the Real ID Act in May 2005. By 2008, Americans may be required to present such federally approved cards--which must be electronically readable--to travel on an airplane, open a bank account or take advantage of myriad government services such as Social Security.

"I think this is an example (of) when security and privacy go hand in hand," the Homeland Security chief said in a half-hour speech at George Washington University here. "It is a win-win for both."

The importance of such documents was magnified by an announcement Wednesday, Chertoff said. Federal authorities reported that they had made more than 1,200 arrests related to immigration violations and unmasked criminal organizations stealing and trafficking in genuine birth certificates and Social Security cards belonging to U.S. citizens.

"Do you think your privacy is better protected if someone can walk around with phony docs with your name and your Social Security number, or is your privacy better protected if you have the confidence that the identification relied upon is in fact reliable and uniquely tied to a single individual?" Chertoff asked rhetorically.

The upcoming federally approved IDs are intended to be a secure, tamperproof means of protecting Americans' identities while keeping out terrorists and other wrongdoers, Chertoff said.

The Homeland Security chief, who is nearing his two-year mark with the agency, was likely trying to quell rampant skepticism about the IDs voiced by some privacy advocates, immigrants and other groups. Some have said they fear that the IDs are a stepping stone to a veritable police state, complete with ready surveillance of individuals.

Some have argued that the idea of creating more tamperproof IDs is only a marginally better way to screen out those intent on committing terrorist acts because ID cards don't even begin to tackle a core crime prevention challenge: determining a person's unspoken intentions.

State governments have also been critical of the 2008 deadline and what they have said amounts to an unfunded mandate to switch over their systems. A September study released by the National Governors Association, National Conference of State Legislatures and American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators estimated that the overhaul of their identification systems (PDF) would cost states more than $11 billion over five years. The New Hampshire state legislature even considered passing a law earlier this year that would prohibit the state from complying with the federal Real ID law.

Homeland Security has yet to issue congressionally mandated recommendations for the cards, so it's unclear how, exactly, they would work. The cards must contain, at a minimum, a person's name, birth date, gender, ID number, digital portrait, address, "physical security features" to prevent tampering or counterfeiting and a "common machine-readable technology" specified by Homeland Security.

A recent draft report by a DHS advisory committee(PDF) advised against using radio frequency identification technology, or RFID, in tracking humans because of privacy concerns.

The purpose of Chertoff's Thursday morning speech was to reflect on the agency's work during the past year and to outline goals for 2007. For the past year, he focused on three major areas: immigration and border security, Hurricane Katrina recovery and a foiled terrorism plot originating from London in August.

Conspicuously absent was any mention of the department's cybersecurity plans. After more than a year of delay, Chertoff hired Gregory Garcia, who had been working as a vice president at the Information Technology Association of America lobby group, as the department's first assistant secretary for cybersecurity. That step came after the department had sustained repeated bashing of its efforts in that realm from members of Congress.
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Police state? Who, US?

"It is a win-win for both."

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Both who?
Are they not us too?
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Anybody got any idea who the private company is that will do the "aggregating?" I'm most curious about that company. We have companies from other nations compiling data on our phone calls already. Could our brand new, very important NATIONAL files be in the hands of off-shore corporations?
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