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Police told not to pursue Orlando shooter for ‘15 or 20 minutes — could’ve been longer’ until SWAT arrived

 
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Police told not to pursue Orlando shooter for ‘15 or 20 minutes — could’ve been longer’ until SWAT arrived
After an initial burst of fire between Omar Mateen and a security guard at the Pulse nightclub, a group of five to six police officers arrived on the scene within minutes, broke through a large glass window and entered the club as the killing of 49 people was underway inside, according to a Belle Isle police officer who was among the first responders.

In the first public accounting of those critical early minutes by an officer who actually went inside the club, Belle Isle police officer Brandon Cornwell, 25, said the ad-hoc team spent the first seconds inside “trying to locate exactly where the shooter was — we kept hearing people scream and shots fired.”

Cornwell said they never saw Mateen; he said the shooter had vanished inside the dimly lit club as Cornwell and the other officers followed the sounds of screams and echoing gunfire to the bathroom area where they presumed the gunman was now holed up. He said they aimed their assault rifles toward that area as the sounds of gunfire stopped. He said that they then followed orders to hold their position for what he described as “15 or 20 minutes — could’ve been longer” until the SWAT team arrived.

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Re: Police told not to pursue Orlando shooter for ‘15 or 20 minutes — could’ve been longer’ until SWAT arrived
I still find this body count of 49 dead plus many more shot to be way too high for the official story to keep it's integrity. Unless there was another shooter that was mowing people down as they bottle necked toward exit doors.
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Re: Police told not to pursue Orlando shooter for ‘15 or 20 minutes — could’ve been longer’ until SWAT arrived
The 4 or 5 officers who entered when they first got there is a know S.O.P, referred to as "active rescue." Active rescue was designed as a response to Colmbine HS...specifically when there is an active shooter you do not have time to wait for SWAT to arrive on scene.

For the order to come down to hold and not to pursue the suspect is complete BS. Need to find out where that order came from because whomever gave it was not wanting this to end quickly.

Now what on earth could be that reason <sarcasm>... Hmmm, look no further than what you see the Supreme Court and congress dealing with this week. Same reason why they immediately referred to him having an AR-15 and why the doctors/surgeons also publically discussed him having NYG an AR-15.
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Re: Police told not to pursue Orlando shooter for ‘15 or 20 minutes — could’ve been longer’ until SWAT arrived
The 4 or 5 officers who entered when they first got there is a know S.O.P, referred to as "active rescue." Active rescue was designed as a response to Colmbine HS...specifically when there is an active shooter you do not have time to wait for SWAT to arrive on scene.

For the order to come down to hold and not to pursue the suspect is complete BS. Need to find out where that order came from because whomever gave it was not wanting this to end quickly.

Now what on earth could be that reason <sarcasm>... Hmmm, look no further than what you see the Supreme Court and congress dealing with this week. Same reason why they immediately referred to him having an AR-15 and why the doctors/surgeons also publically discussed him having NYG an AR-15.
 Quoting: TeamReaper


Another post from 3/25/14 (was not about Orlando of course) where I discussed active rescue. Exactly as I wrote below is what Orlando cops did when they responded until someone told them to stand down...boy, does that not sound familiar?

Why do they say "active shooter" when he hasn't shot anything yet?

It's just a crazy dude locking himself up in an apartment he can't afford to pay before being evicted.
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I'm in the area and following news stories as best I can. My understanding (from asking the same question) is that it's considered "active shooter" if shots are fired. They don't necessarily have to hit anything.
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Completely wrong. This was a barricaded person from the start. Media reported wrong.
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If it is an active shooter, Dallas will respond using "active rescue."
First 4 or 5 officers on scene make up a contact squad and go in, next 4 or 5 officers on scene make up rescue squad and go in. True active shooter situations there is not enough time to wait for swat (tactical in Dallas).

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Thread: Breaking, URGENT : Active Shooter Situation, Dallas TX (Page 3)
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Re: Police told not to pursue Orlando shooter for ‘15 or 20 minutes — could’ve been longer’ until SWAT arrived
Really, nobody on this??

Police told to break from standard S.O.P. and told to stop from going after the shooter.
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