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Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
Did you know officers entered the nightclub and had the suspect trapped in the bathroom in the opening minutes of the shooting but we're told to stand down and wait for SWAT?

During an active shooter scenario, police respond with what is known as "active rescue." The first 4 to 5 officers that arrive on scene will enter as a team (contact team). Their purpose is to stop the threat. This is the answer to Columbine. More lives are lost due to waiting for SWAT to arrive, so they enter to stop the threat. Here is what one of the first officers on scene said:



‘I grabbed my assault rifle and ran’: An officer’s account of the critical early minutes in Orlando

After an initial burst of fire between Omar Mateen and a security guard at the Pulse nightclub, a group of five or six police officers arrived on the scene within minutes, broke through a large glass window and entered the club as the killing of 49 people was underway inside, according to a Belle Isle, Fla., police officer who was among the first responders.

Officer Brandon Cornwell, 25, said the ad-hoc team spent the first seconds in the dimly lit club “trying to locate exactly where the shooter was — we kept hearing people scream and shots fired.”

He and the other officers followed the sounds to the bathroom area, where Mateen was now holed up. But instead of entering the bathroom, the officers aimed their assault rifles toward the area and were told by commanders to hold their position as the sounds of gunfire stopped, according to Cornwell. And so they waited “15 or 20 minutes — could’ve been longer” — until the SWAT team arrived, he said. Cornwell never saw Mateen.

Cornwell’s account is the first by a police officer who went inside the club during the first critical moments of the shooting. The FBI said Monday that police first responders “engaged the shooter” inside the club at 2:08 a.m., but Cornwell’s account raises questions about whether gunfire was actually exchanged, why first responders were told not to pursue Mateen into the bathroom, and whether any SWAT or other officers entered the club once the first responders retreated.

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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
So here is the big question...why on earth did the commanders stop them from going after him and then why did they wait so long to end it???
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
So the shooter was trapped but 49 people bled out and these five cops just walked out?

We all know what is going on here but we are discriminated against as conspiracy nutjobs if we point out the obvious!
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
So here is the big question...why on earth did the commanders stop them from going after him and then why did they wait so long to end it???
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Are there any eyewitnesses from inside the night club identifying him as the shooter?
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
this is the type of rescue "effort" we can expect once they disarm the law-abiding civilians.

just remember that
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this is the type of rescue "effort" we can expect once they disarm the law-abiding civilians.

just remember that
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Bump that. Bump it ×1000. Spot on
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
So the shooter was trapped but 49 people bled out and these five cops just walked out?

We all know what is going on here but we are discriminated against as conspiracy nutjobs if we point out the obvious!
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Great point.

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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
running off the Ben Ghazi/Waco playbook
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
They had him trapped.

Figured the collateral was already dead in the bathroom.

Officer safety.

Probably told to engage only if shooter left bathroom.

Otherwise waited for flashbangs and ballistic shields in CQC.
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
this is the type of rescue "effort" we can expect once they disarm the law-abiding civilians.

just remember that
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
Yep. I knew something was up when the ordeal lasted 3 hours and 10 mintues. The shooter took a bathroom break and a 20 minute dinner break while the cops waited out side.

The 3 hr + almost beat the time Princess Diana in an abulance before they took a 6 min ride to the hospital.

What does this prove?

Something is fishy right off the bat. The supposed shooter was updating his fakebook page/twitter and took many rest breaks.
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
Didn't James Wesley Howell say that Omar wasn't supposed to be kilt?
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
There is a report that not one person was shot until 5:13am, when the officers went in
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
They had him trapped.

Figured the collateral was already dead in the bathroom.

Officer safety.

Probably told to engage only if shooter left bathroom.

Otherwise waited for flashbangs and ballistic shields in CQC.
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I have been trained in active rescue.
1. Never assume "they are already dead"
2. Until the threat has ended, officer safety is not a concern or a reason to sit and wait. You rely on techniques and training for officer safety
3. Whole point of active rescue is you do NOT wait, you enter and end the threat, that is it.

These are the lessons learned from Columbine, you do not wait, you end the threat. This is so that people do not bleed out waiting, you end the threat.
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
They had him trapped.

Figured the collateral was already dead in the bathroom.

Officer safety.

Probably told to engage only if shooter left bathroom.

Otherwise waited for flashbangs and ballistic shields in CQC.
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I have been trained in active rescue.
1. Never assume "they are already dead"
2. Until the threat has ended, officer safety is not a concern or a reason to sit and wait. You rely on techniques and training for officer safety
3. Whole point of active rescue is you do NOT wait, you enter and end the threat, that is it.

These are the lessons learned from Columbine, you do not wait, you end the threat. This is so that people do not bleed out waiting, you end the threat.
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I hear you. And that should have been done.

But the Brass aren't always actual street officers.

They are usually more political pole monkeys these days.

Or they had an agenda.
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
Didn't James Wesley Howell say that Omar wasn't supposed to be kilt?
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He was supposed to wear tight slacks and a ladies blouse.
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
They had him trapped.

Figured the collateral was already dead in the bathroom.

Officer safety.

Probably told to engage only if shooter left bathroom.

Otherwise waited for flashbangs and ballistic shields in CQC.
 Quoting: Luxen


I have been trained in active rescue.
1. Never assume "they are already dead"
2. Until the threat has ended, officer safety is not a concern or a reason to sit and wait. You rely on techniques and training for officer safety
3. Whole point of active rescue is you do NOT wait, you enter and end the threat, that is it.

These are the lessons learned from Columbine, you do not wait, you end the threat. This is so that people do not bleed out waiting, you end the threat.
 Quoting: TeamReaper


I hear you. And that should have been done.

But the Brass aren't always actual street officers.

They are usually more political pole monkeys these days.

Or they had an agenda.
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You suck as a shill.

You must be better at working under the table.
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
Did you know officers entered the nightclub and had the suspect trapped in the bathroom in the opening minutes of the shooting but we're told to stand down and wait for SWAT?

During an active shooter scenario, police respond with what is known as "active rescue." The first 4 to 5 officers that arrive on scene will enter as a team (contact team). Their purpose is to stop the threat. This is the answer to Columbine. More lives are lost due to waiting for SWAT to arrive, so they enter to stop the threat. Here is what one of the first officers on scene said:



‘I grabbed my assault rifle and ran’: An officer’s account of the critical early minutes in Orlando

After an initial burst of fire between Omar Mateen and a security guard at the Pulse nightclub, a group of five or six police officers arrived on the scene within minutes, broke through a large glass window and entered the club as the killing of 49 people was underway inside, according to a Belle Isle, Fla., police officer who was among the first responders.

Officer Brandon Cornwell, 25, said the ad-hoc team spent the first seconds in the dimly lit club “trying to locate exactly where the shooter was — we kept hearing people scream and shots fired.”

He and the other officers followed the sounds to the bathroom area, where Mateen was now holed up. But instead of entering the bathroom, the officers aimed their assault rifles toward the area and were told by commanders to hold their position as the sounds of gunfire stopped, according to Cornwell. And so they waited “15 or 20 minutes — could’ve been longer” — until the SWAT team arrived, he said. Cornwell never saw Mateen.

Cornwell’s account is the first by a police officer who went inside the club during the first critical moments of the shooting. The FBI said Monday that police first responders “engaged the shooter” inside the club at 2:08 a.m., but Cornwell’s account raises questions about whether gunfire was actually exchanged, why first responders were told not to pursue Mateen into the bathroom, and whether any SWAT or other officers entered the club once the first responders retreated.

[link to www.washingtonpost.com (secure)]

First thread on this:
Thread: Police told not to pursue Orlando shooter for ‘15 or 20 minutes — could’ve been longer’ until SWAT arrived
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I'm floored at whst is happening in this country. ..

Wtf is going on?
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
These "Swat Teams" are useless in most cases. Complete waste of money, time and effort. Relying on them is pure insanity. They should disband all of them. Train every police officer for these type situations.

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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
Wait....I thought the whole thing was a hoax? Make up your minds.
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
Hey mass shooter we have the leave. We follow orders even they dont make sense. So if cops follow these type orders then they would deff follow orders to kill unarmed civilians.
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
Wait....I thought the whole thing was a hoax? Make up your minds.
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this furthers tht intrusive thought-
locals told to stand down and wait for this swat team-
they never saw omar either-
kept waiting.......and waiting...
swat team finally arrives-they are relieved-
then hours later 49 dead ?
and gawd forgive me but not even death notices stating PRIVATE viewing or memorial services ?]something's not right here.
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
IF in-fact Mateen was trapped in bathroom with alot of people, how the fuc**ty fu*k did the people video record them selves sitting in one stall--supposedly 12 of them in ONE stall? And IF Mateen was in the bathroom with them, why are they all so fckn calm? Do we even know IF he shot anyone IN the bathroom?
So many fckn ridiculous questions, but we will NEVER know what really happened....
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
Wait....I thought the whole thing was a hoax? Make up your minds.
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this furthers tht intrusive thought-
locals told to stand down and wait for this swat team-
they never saw omar either-
kept waiting.......and waiting...
swat team finally arrives-they are relieved-
then hours later 49 dead ?
and gawd forgive me but not even death notices stating PRIVATE viewing or memorial services ?]something's not right here.
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Ive been searching, but have not found any funeral(s) info. IF 49 people died, dont you guys think we should be able to find at least one funeral notice-somewhere...???
BTW-just yesterday the local news in NYC briefly mentioned there was a funeral/memorial service in Bed-Sty Brooklyn for one of the victims, but it did not have a reporter there, and it did not say the dead persons name. I wonder why....
Same thing with Sandy Hook...
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
They had him trapped.

Figured the collateral was already dead in the bathroom.

Officer safety.

Probably told to engage only if shooter left bathroom.

Otherwise waited for flashbangs and ballistic shields in CQC.
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Yeah, right. In the fantasy world of the "official" story.
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
So the shooter was trapped but 49 people bled out and these five cops just walked out?

We all know what is going on here but we are discriminated against as conspiracy nutjobs if we point out the obvious!
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His father is running as head of Afghanistan and i can't help but think this plays into what really went down that night.
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
newsflash, logician: the Columbine conspiracy pile of people are SWAT these days, or at least, a few of them. Saw them running in a reality TV show in a major metropolitan city, promoting heroism.

So, hm, waiting for former shooting massacre actors possibly playing SWAT to go follow up on another shooting actor.....

yes that's insanity doing the same thing over and over again expecting something different.

I think at least one of the two Mateens (yes, it's just like some other shootings, how could there be two of them? there were, based on faulty publicity, again.) was some sort of an informant for police, hence the hesitation.

There were 2 omars, and while the first one did a lot of shooting, the second omar was the one that called in the 911 call, and also hid in the bathroom, and then also came out again and shot the first one, then he gets hidden out by his conspiring friends to run off.

I also think there could me mixed messages. Like, it was blamed on the omars, but they were the victims, that the shooter was someone else entirely.

I think the bigger omar went into the bathroom first earlier in the evening. He's a con artist. He's not Omar though, they did a friend of the Bureau a favor, I think. I think that he psyched up the other guy to shoot, knew the timing when the second guy (selfie omar) was going to go in, and there might have been a plan for more people than that, but maybe up to 2 others didn't follow through.

I also think that there was rehearsal either a week or a day before the event, on a non-crowded day. Up to two weeks before, big omar drew up the plan to entice the others, so they'd get hung up in a trap, and he'd walk away with their shared bank account. That's the formula for those sorts of guys, 5 years promise, 6th year lies, with toy soldiers and lost boys.

Waiting for SWAT was a legal technicality, based on number of injured, and potential for loss of officers. It's not more lives lost. Say you put 20 cops in a room with a shooter and you lose 10 of them and they're shooting everywhere. That's not less lives lost to add more cops, it's more lives, because cop lives are part of that measure. SWAT is better insured, and mentally prepared for confronting flying bullets, unlike cops that have to protect themselves first. A cop is 20 second, a SWAT is 8 seconds.
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
Apparently footage exists of the whole thing.

Mateen Shooting Already-Injured People


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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
They had him trapped.

Figured the collateral was already dead in the bathroom.

Officer safety.

Probably told to engage only if shooter left bathroom.

Otherwise waited for flashbangs and ballistic shields in CQC.
 Quoting: Luxen


CQC is unarmed combat,that is without guns. You try really hard to sound like a pro but fail.

Officer safety my ass.
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Re: Orlando Shooter...Did you know in first 10 mins LE had him trapped in bathroom, told to stand down, exit, and wait for SWAT
Shill thread to get the sheeple distracted.

Anyone with half a brain knows it was a complete hoax.
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