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What's going on with the Jehovah's Witnesses?! Are they in their death throes?

 
Apostle Paulus Arithrimus
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A colleague of mine is a JW. He used to preach to me a lot until a few months ago. We had a discussion about the child abuse and they way the Watchtower is being very deceitful in some cases outright lying. So I ask him how everything is going. He says fine, check your email.

In it he sends me two links.

[link to jwsurvey.org]

Summary: The Watchtower is being fined $4000 per day for falsifying records and redacting information.

In March 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter. Opposing attorneys called the redactions excessive, rendering the document illegible. Judge Strauss then assigned a discovery referee to sit with the two sides. But having a referee involved didn’t solve matters. Repeatedly, the Watchtower Society has stated that it will not comply with the order.

“By the time of the hearing on the motion for sanctions, it will have been over a year since the initial order and almost three months since the [referee’s recommendation] was adopted,” reads Strauss’s ruling. “In the period since…Watchtower has shown no effort or willingness to comply with the discovery order.

“Based upon the history in this case and Watchtower’s statements…the court finds that Watchtower’s failure to comply is willful…Watchtower clearly has control over the documents it has already produced and could revise the redactions with regard to those documents. This is obviously and clearly within the scope of Watchtower’s powers which it chooses not to exercise. Continuing to repeat its prior unsuccessful arguments in opposition to the discovery order further illustrates Watchtower’s obstinacy in compliance.”

Second link-

[link to jwsurvey.org]

Summary (and this blew me out of the water!) The FAQ section on JW.org has added a new featured post: “Can a Person Resign From Being One of Jehovah’s Witnesses?” In this NEW article dated June 9th 2016, the Watchtower gives their official explanation of how to handle matters when a person no longer wants to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

It is, in my opinion, one of the most calculated, misleading and dishonest articles recently released on their website. The level of deliberate deceit on display is both appalling and astonishing.

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So, I read it all and I said to myself, "my GOD why have you allowed this to happen? I think most JW's are sincere and want to worship God but their religion is turning against them!

Their leaders are outright lying now!
Apostal Paulus Arithimus (OP)
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To add to the second link which should really wake you up-

The FAQ responds to the question as follows. The first part says:

Yes. A person can resign from our organization in two ways:

By formal request. Either orally or in writing, a person can state his decision that he no longer wants to be known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
By action. A person can take an action that places him outside our worldwide brotherhood. (1 Peter 5:9) For example, he might join another religion and make known his intention to remain part of it.—1 John 2:19.

And…what happens next?

What happens when someone does this?

Hello?

FAQ?

What happens?

Silence.

This part of the FAQ says nothing whatsoever about the implications for a person undertaking the above steps. It makes no mention at all of what the penalty would be.

Why is that important?

It’s a deliberate lie of omission.
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What important fact has been left out? What misconception might this article deliberately be hoping to instill in a reader?

Well, if you were reading this FAQ with no deeper knowledge of Jehovah’s Witnesses (which is the prime and deliberate audience for a write-up such as this) you might well walk away with the impression that such a person can carry on their life without any real interruption.

You would have no idea that the Witness family and friends of this person were now required to completely shun such an individual. Watchtower even recently went so far as to instruct parents to throw mature children out of the family home should one become disfellowshipped, and to not even answer the phone when they call. Disfellowshipping is an involuntary removal due to perceived “sin”, but Watchtower commands Witnesses to treat disassociated, or resigned ones, ones in an identical manner to disfellowshipped ones. See Watchtower Study edition Feb 2011 article Do You Hate Lawlessness. Below are two relevant paragraphs:

15 Do we share Jesus’ view of those who have become set in their lawless course? We need to give thought to these questions: ‘Would I choose to associate regularly with someone who has been disfellowshipped or who has disassociated himself from the Christian congregation? What if that one is a close relative who no longer lives at home?’ Such a situation can be a real test of our love of righteousness and of our loyalty to God.

18 If you face a similar situation, please remember that Jehovah sympathizes with you. By cutting off contact with the disfellowshipped or disassociated one, you are showing that you hate the attitudes and actions that led to that outcome. However, you are also showing that you love the wrongdoer enough to do what is best for him or her. Your loyalty to Jehovah may increase the likelihood that the disciplined one will repent and return to Jehovah.

Clearly, there is a lie of omission, designed to craft a misleading impression in the minds of the general public, as well as any interested media organizations.

But it gets worse!

The next part of the FAQ contains, not only an attempt to casually hide an embarrassing truth with sleight of hand, but an outright lie.
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Please someone this needs to be pinned!
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A colleague of mine is a JW. He used to preach to me a lot until a few months ago. We had a discussion about the child abuse and they way the Watchtower is being very deceitful in some cases outright lying. So I ask him how everything is going. He says fine, check your email.

In it he sends me two links.

[link to jwsurvey.org]

Summary: The Watchtower is being fined $4000 per day for falsifying records and redacting information.

In March 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter. Opposing attorneys called the redactions excessive, rendering the document illegible. Judge Strauss then assigned a discovery referee to sit with the two sides. But having a referee involved didn’t solve matters. Repeatedly, the Watchtower Society has stated that it will not comply with the order.

“By the time of the hearing on the motion for sanctions, it will have been over a year since the initial order and almost three months since the [referee’s recommendation] was adopted,” reads Strauss’s ruling. “In the period since…Watchtower has shown no effort or willingness to comply with the discovery order.

“Based upon the history in this case and Watchtower’s statements…the court finds that Watchtower’s failure to comply is willful…Watchtower clearly has control over the documents it has already produced and could revise the redactions with regard to those documents. This is obviously and clearly within the scope of Watchtower’s powers which it chooses not to exercise. Continuing to repeat its prior unsuccessful arguments in opposition to the discovery order further illustrates Watchtower’s obstinacy in compliance.”

Second link-

[link to jwsurvey.org]

Summary (and this blew me out of the water!) The FAQ section on JW.org has added a new featured post: “Can a Person Resign From Being One of Jehovah’s Witnesses?” In this NEW article dated June 9th 2016, the Watchtower gives their official explanation of how to handle matters when a person no longer wants to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

It is, in my opinion, one of the most calculated, misleading and dishonest articles recently released on their website. The level of deliberate deceit on display is both appalling and astonishing.

--------------

So, I read it all and I said to myself, "my GOD why have you allowed this to happen? I think most JW's are sincere and want to worship God but their religion is turning against them!

Their leaders are outright lying now!
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Your second link is the most powerful I have seen. I am what you call a servant in my German congregation. But I know the truth about this! But I have no way out because of my parents they will kick me out of my house if they find I am secretly knowing it is a cult.
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A colleague of mine is a JW. He used to preach to me a lot until a few months ago. We had a discussion about the child abuse and they way the Watchtower is being very deceitful in some cases outright lying. So I ask him how everything is going. He says fine, check your email.

In it he sends me two links.

[link to jwsurvey.org]

Summary: The Watchtower is being fined $4000 per day for falsifying records and redacting information.

In March 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter. Opposing attorneys called the redactions excessive, rendering the document illegible. Judge Strauss then assigned a discovery referee to sit with the two sides. But having a referee involved didn’t solve matters. Repeatedly, the Watchtower Society has stated that it will not comply with the order.

“By the time of the hearing on the motion for sanctions, it will have been over a year since the initial order and almost three months since the [referee’s recommendation] was adopted,” reads Strauss’s ruling. “In the period since…Watchtower has shown no effort or willingness to comply with the discovery order.

“Based upon the history in this case and Watchtower’s statements…the court finds that Watchtower’s failure to comply is willful…Watchtower clearly has control over the documents it has already produced and could revise the redactions with regard to those documents. This is obviously and clearly within the scope of Watchtower’s powers which it chooses not to exercise. Continuing to repeat its prior unsuccessful arguments in opposition to the discovery order further illustrates Watchtower’s obstinacy in compliance.”

Second link-

[link to jwsurvey.org]

Summary (and this blew me out of the water!) The FAQ section on JW.org has added a new featured post: “Can a Person Resign From Being One of Jehovah’s Witnesses?” In this NEW article dated June 9th 2016, the Watchtower gives their official explanation of how to handle matters when a person no longer wants to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

It is, in my opinion, one of the most calculated, misleading and dishonest articles recently released on their website. The level of deliberate deceit on display is both appalling and astonishing.

--------------

So, I read it all and I said to myself, "my GOD why have you allowed this to happen? I think most JW's are sincere and want to worship God but their religion is turning against them!

Their leaders are outright lying now!
 Quoting: Apostle Paulus Arithrimus 68912874


Your second link is the most powerful I have seen. I am what you call a servant in my German congregation. But I know the truth about this! But I have no way out because of my parents they will kick me out of my house if they find I am secretly knowing it is a cult.
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I feel for you. I'm now providing emotional support to my colleague. I wish you the best and hope you can get out!
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I'm an "inactive" J dub myself. I would pin this if I could.
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I'm an "inactive" J dub myself. I would pin this if I could.
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Thank you. I would but do not have an account. Anyone can help to free these poop people!
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The Pope will take over them too.
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OP I'm gonna give this to you simple and straight.

It is an "Religious Order", that's how they name themselves and their shells in court. "The Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses"

In truth, they quote Joshua in the JW.org page you linked, and that's the rub

They claim to own the name "Jehovah" so they claim Joshua and Moses and Luther and all that, because, in their eyes, ONLY THEY know how to properly form up an ORDER FOR JEHOVAH

A battle order OP. They feel they control Joshua and the correct way to serve Jehovah, and when they are shown they do not have that right way, and they never did, well, yes, it will be another "Great Disappointment" for all Miller cults.

Yes that means 7th Day as well, all the Millerite religions will be sad again. Just like before when they akll made total asses of themselves as Lincoln was right there.
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I studied with a Jehovah Witness who thought I was making "good progress."

Then we were discussing about their 1914 dates and their whole religion is based upon this date because of the year 607 when they claim Jerusalem was destroyed. It took me 2 minutes on Google to discover that 607 is wrong. 100% wrong.

That was all I needed to know. Additionally when I did more research I found out that their founder Charles Taze Russel measured the pyramids of Giza and found that from this Jerusalem was destroyed in 607! Since then they did not change this date.

Very dangerous to believe lies.
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Good! It's a CULT! I was in it for 43 years! Free since 2014!

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I studied with a Jehovah Witness who thought I was making "good progress."

Then we were discussing about their 1914 dates and their whole religion is based upon this date because of the year 607 when they claim Jerusalem was destroyed. It took me 2 minutes on Google to discover that 607 is wrong. 100% wrong.

That was all I needed to know. Additionally when I did more research I found out that their founder Charles Taze Russel measured the pyramids of Giza and found that from this Jerusalem was destroyed in 607! Since then they did not change this date.

Very dangerous to believe lies.
 Quoting: ||Chamonix||


1: they used 607 because they had to backdate CTR's theology, in the End, CTR was just another Millerite.

2: Russell was forced out in a coup, by imo, B'nai Brith who is Jewish Masonry, and who controlled Rutherford to do so, he was a lush and CTR was a girl lover, hehe

3: Many JW know what is due and who is old school.
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LDS is about the same. I had them ask me a few months ago if I wanted to go back. My reply was hell no. The new LDS church is nothing at all like the old Mormon church use to be. I know some JW's that have left aand that have gone to other churches.
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It's a cult ... Once a cult always a cult.
Govt (CIA/Army/Navy/KGB) docs in “Government Documents Admit Flat Earth” [link to youtu.be (secure)]

Globbers look up in trying to prove the world is a globe. They should be looking down at the Earth they stand on.

How stars work in the FE model: [link to www.bitchute.com (secure)]
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It's a cult ... Once a cult always a cult.
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Yup. But how many will see this before they ruin their whole fucking lives?

PS OP great thread and I will bookmark your links! WHOA!
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I studied with a Jehovah Witness who thought I was making "good progress."

Then we were discussing about their 1914 dates and their whole religion is based upon this date because of the year 607 when they claim Jerusalem was destroyed. It took me 2 minutes on Google to discover that 607 is wrong. 100% wrong.

That was all I needed to know. Additionally when I did more research I found out that their founder Charles Taze Russel measured the pyramids of Giza and found that from this Jerusalem was destroyed in 607! Since then they did not change this date.

Very dangerous to believe lies.
 Quoting: ||Chamonix||



You guys have no idea.



A cult? You decide.
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LDS is about the same. I had them ask me a few months ago if I wanted to go back. My reply was hell no. The new LDS church is nothing at all like the old Mormon church use to be. I know some JW's that have left aand that have gone to other churches.
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Good point but

IMO the Mormons have rank higher because they actually gave an American corpse to the altar.

The JW can never and would never produce a LaVoy Finicum, and that is to their shame.
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I studied with a Jehovah Witness who thought I was making "good progress."

Then we were discussing about their 1914 dates and their whole religion is based upon this date because of the year 607 when they claim Jerusalem was destroyed. It took me 2 minutes on Google to discover that 607 is wrong. 100% wrong.

That was all I needed to know. Additionally when I did more research I found out that their founder Charles Taze Russel measured the pyramids of Giza and found that from this Jerusalem was destroyed in 607! Since then they did not change this date.

Very dangerous to believe lies.
 Quoting: ||Chamonix||



You guys have no idea.



A cult? You decide.
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But MY PERSONAL FAVORITE video is this one!

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They teach to continue walking in sin and that perfection is impossible!

False church nuts said.

They are shitbag hypocrits!
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They teach to continue walking in sin and that perfection is impossible!

False church nuts said.

They are shitbag hypocrits!
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Uhm okay but the "quest for perfection" is how the whole other side of the Millerites is run

7th Day Adventist are much like Rusellites, but have a vegetarian superior view.

All goes back to the great disappointment of pre civil war when they asked for Jesus and got only Lincoln.
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Any current JW's here? LMAO? DGN? Celestial Madien?
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Any current JW's here? LMAO? DGN? Celestial Madien?
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I think LMAO went to Bethel and disappeared.

hehe

slavery printing camp, for Jehovah!
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Let's just call it what it is

Washtower Publications

They wash all the confusion out of your brain, and fill with new clean and perfect interpretations.

Thank YHWH himself, else these humans may have had to think!
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They are going down the tubes...



Fatefull slave has a great channel.

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it's hard to sell bullshit when everyone already knows it's bullshit
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Creepy pussy whipped pedos abound in that church.
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Consider their own method and qords OP from their "Department of Uberwriting"

However, the elders are not authorized to coerce or pressure someone to remain as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Each person makes his own choice regarding religion. (Joshua 24:15) We believe that those who worship God must do so willingly, from the heart.—Psalm 110:3; Matthew 22:37.
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These assheads at the uberwriting schtaffulwerks, use Joshua, the Psalmist, and Matthew, THREE PEOPLE FROM THREE DIFFERENT ERAS to make their point.

However, that a Egyptian Pharaoh wrote Psalms, some of them, is know to all, and yet the JW or Jew cannot speak of this, because the King in question was not meant to ever be found.
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A colleague of mine is a JW. He used to preach to me a lot until a few months ago. We had a discussion about the child abuse and they way the Watchtower is being very deceitful in some cases outright lying. So I ask him how everything is going. He says fine, check your email.

In it he sends me two links.

[link to jwsurvey.org]

Summary: The Watchtower is being fined $4000 per day for falsifying records and redacting information.

In March 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter. Opposing attorneys called the redactions excessive, rendering the document illegible. Judge Strauss then assigned a discovery referee to sit with the two sides. But having a referee involved didn’t solve matters. Repeatedly, the Watchtower Society has stated that it will not comply with the order.

“By the time of the hearing on the motion for sanctions, it will have been over a year since the initial order and almost three months since the [referee’s recommendation] was adopted,” reads Strauss’s ruling. “In the period since…Watchtower has shown no effort or willingness to comply with the discovery order.

“Based upon the history in this case and Watchtower’s statements…the court finds that Watchtower’s failure to comply is willful…Watchtower clearly has control over the documents it has already produced and could revise the redactions with regard to those documents. This is obviously and clearly within the scope of Watchtower’s powers which it chooses not to exercise. Continuing to repeat its prior unsuccessful arguments in opposition to the discovery order further illustrates Watchtower’s obstinacy in compliance.”

Second link-

[link to jwsurvey.org]

Summary (and this blew me out of the water!) The FAQ section on JW.org has added a new featured post: “Can a Person Resign From Being One of Jehovah’s Witnesses?” In this NEW article dated June 9th 2016, the Watchtower gives their official explanation of how to handle matters when a person no longer wants to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

It is, in my opinion, one of the most calculated, misleading and dishonest articles recently released on their website. The level of deliberate deceit on display is both appalling and astonishing.

--------------

So, I read it all and I said to myself, "my GOD why have you allowed this to happen? I think most JW's are sincere and want to worship God but their religion is turning against them!

Their leaders are outright lying now!
 Quoting: Apostle Paulus Arithrimus 68912874


Your second link is the most powerful I have seen. I am what you call a servant in my German congregation. But I know the truth about this! But I have no way out because of my parents they will kick me out of my house if they find I am secretly knowing it is a cult.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72501531


I doubt this! I know family of Jehovah's witnesses and most allow their children to stay at home. What they do is hope their children will go back to the organization. They don't force them to go. People hate JW's because they try to live by the scriptures and expose the BS most religions pull like "Tithing" which was only meant for the Levite priesthood during Mosaic law! Most Christian religions are into money and how to acquire tons of it by using parts of the Bible that suit them.
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I am disfellowshipped and happy to be so.
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Fuck all of them. Disfellowshipped and willfully left the cult at 20.





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