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Ivermectrin dewormer kills dogs and horses
Ivermectrin, a dewormer for animals, is extremely dangerous and deadly to certain dogs and horses. I believe it is also sold under the name of Zymectrin.

Never give Ivermectrin to any working dog, especially collies. My friend's dog, an Australian Shepherd, licked up some ivermectrin that had fallen to the ground. It cost $12,000.00 and weeks of intensive care at the vet and then more care at home to make her well. She couldn't see, she would put her mouth in the water bowl and stay there if she wasn't watched. Her head bobbed and she was totally out of. It was awful, but they saved her.

Never give Ivermectrin to an Arabian horse. I lost my boy Icon the night after I dewormed him. The Ivermectrin caused him to colic. The next morning he had surgery, but some of his organs were already necrotic. We could have tried to save him, but it would have been a difficult recovery at best- more colic, maybe foundering, pain from the surgical wounds, and still, possible death.

Once I learned he would suffer to live, I requested that they not wake him up from surgery. It was beyond awful and I will never forget the pain he suffered. It didn't have to happen.

Never give Ivermectrin to any kind of collie or working dog. It was also lethal to Icon, an Arabian horse. Other horse breeds can also be affected. I read that Thoroughbreds sometimes can't tolerate Ivermectrine either. I don't know what other breeds might be affected.

I never knew this before Icon died. I wish I had known. Now you know and can pass the information along to collie owners, working dog owners, and horse owners.

I wish I had known.

(Icon was an incredibly beautiful and good horse. We shared the same birthday, his gray dapples slowly turning white through our years together. He was a beautiful creature, a Polish Arabian in the prime of his life, given to me years ago by my father, who is also gone now. I miss them both so much).

Even some vets are not aware of the dangers of Ivermectrin. There is some kind of genetic testing that can identify the animals who can't have Ivermectrin... I just don't use it at all now.

Pass this information along to other dog and horse owners in case they don't know either.
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Agreed--- it may have contributed to my Puli's premature death--- Pulis are Hungarian working dogs. The vet had also given her way too many vaccines and she also had Lyme and Morgellons, though so I am not sure the exact cause of her death.
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The secret is that you are supposed to use the proper dosage which is not that much! hi
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You know how many people give it to their dogs via "Heartgard"?
A LOT.
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I am very sorry you lost your horse, OP :(
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I had no idea that it can be found in Heartguard... that's terrible.

Is it in any other things we should know about?
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I am very sorry you lost your horse, OP :(
 Quoting: Loewin


Thank you. All I can do now is let other animal owners know about this.

No Heartguard EVER for any kind of Collie or working dog. I had no idea until now that it was also in Heartguard.
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I had no idea that it can be found in Heartguard... that's terrible.

Is it in any other things we should know about?
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Revolution is another brand that contains a (newer) version of ivermectin.

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Ivermectin does NOT kill your animals unless you give them a massive amount (an overdose) Do you understand this?
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Reread her post.

She is simply restating what has been known, but often overlooked in the fine print. I have a dog and recall the warning when I first administered the drug.

Collies are genetically predisposed to being oddly intolerant to the stuff. It is highly toxic to them.

[link to www.petcarerx.com (secure)]

"...pet owners with Collies, Australian Shepherds, Shetland Sheepdogs, Old English Sheepdogs, and English Sheepdogs should know the facts about Ivermectin intolerance. This knowledge could end up saving your dog’s life."

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Works great for goats. Small doses
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Collies have a sensitivity to Ivermectin,yes but it is needed to to prevent heartworms.All heartworm preventative has ivermectin if you weren't self treating your dog and horse they Probbly would still be with you.Anyone can just walk in to feed store and buy the stuff.I think that needs to be changed.I have never in the 16 years working in the vet field seen a collie die while using heart guard it just doesn't happen.Now if that client is using the liquid and doing it themselves that's a diffrent story.Leave it to the pros don't self medicate your animals just to save a buck.You wouldn't do that for yourself so why do it to the critters that depend on you to be watching over there welfare because they can't?
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Reread her post.

She is simply restating what has been known, but often overlooked in the fine print. I have a dog and recall the warning when I first administered the drug.

Collies are genetically predisposed to being oddly intolerant to the stuff. It is highly toxic to them.

[link to www.petcarerx.com (secure)]

"...pet owners with Collies, Australian Shepherds, Shetland Sheepdogs, Old English Sheepdogs, and English Sheepdogs should know the facts about Ivermectin intolerance. This knowledge could end up saving your dog’s life."
 Quoting: Loewin


Sure that info is good to know, but what I am responding to and understanding what the OP said is that it sounds like her dog licked up Ivermectin Horse Paste, which has a massive amount of Ivermectin in each tube. I don't know of any other form of Ivermectin that can be licked up like that. It sounds like the dog died from the amount of Ivermectin, not the Ivermectin itself.
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Thank you. I have an aussiedoodle and noted Australian shepherds also have an intolerance.

Is there a safer alternative?
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Ivermectin does NOT kill your animals unless you give them a massive amount (an overdose) Do you understand this?
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Colic in horses after deworming happens in large worm infestations also so it's not neccesarily the fault of the product.
I have used it on horses at least for 15+ years and never seen anything similar, but either way op, I am sorry you lost your horse and thanx for the warning.
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Ivermectin does NOT kill your animals unless you give them a massive amount (an overdose) Do you understand this?
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No, you are wrong. There is a genetic test to determine which animals carry the gene that reacts poorly to Ivermectrine.

I did NOT overdose my horse.
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Collies have a sensitivity to Ivermectin,yes but it is needed to to prevent heartworms.All heartworm preventative has ivermectin if you weren't self treating your dog and horse they Probbly would still be with you.Anyone can just walk in to feed store and buy the stuff.I think that needs to be changed.I have never in the 16 years working in the vet field seen a collie die while using heart guard it just doesn't happen.Now if that client is using the liquid and doing it themselves that's a diffrent story.Leave it to the pros don't self medicate your animals just to save a buck.You wouldn't do that for yourself so why do it to the critters that depend on you to be watching over there welfare because they can't?
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I strongly disagree. No one should be forced to pay a Veterinarian bill everytime they worm their animals, they just need to know the proper amount according to weight.
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Ivermectin does NOT kill your animals unless you give them a massive amount (an overdose) Do you understand this?
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Colic in horses after deworming happens in large worm infestations also so it's not neccesarily the fault of the product.
I have used it on horses at least for 15+ years and never seen anything similar, but either way op, I am sorry you lost your horse and thanx for the warning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71675640


A large worm load usually causes problems such as intestinal obstruction, no matter what type of dewormer you are using.
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WOW!… Thanks OP for the warning. Here we use it occasionally on our goats, and dogs when the screw worm (torsolos) infestation gets too much to handle.

I usually dose by weight, but often wondered also about the purple spray that is used here topically as well. Do you know anything about the purple spray? Is that what the collie did? Lick the spray off, or was it an injection?
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Ivermectin does NOT kill your animals unless you give them a massive amount (an overdose) Do you understand this?
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No, you are wrong. There is a genetic test to determine which animals carry the gene that reacts poorly to Ivermectrine.

I did NOT overdose my horse.
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She may have been carrying a heavy worm.
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Collies have a sensitivity to Ivermectin,yes but it is needed to to prevent heartworms.All heartworm preventative has ivermectin if you weren't self treating your dog and horse they Probbly would still be with you.Anyone can just walk in to feed store and buy the stuff.I think that needs to be changed.I have never in the 16 years working in the vet field seen a collie die while using heart guard it just doesn't happen.Now if that client is using the liquid and doing it themselves that's a diffrent story.Leave it to the pros don't self medicate your animals just to save a buck.You wouldn't do that for yourself so why do it to the critters that depend on you to be watching over there welfare because they can't?
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I strongly disagree. No one should be forced to pay a Veterinarian bill everytime they worm their animals, they just need to know the proper amount according to weight.
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My vet teaches me do treat my animals myself as much as possible.

Dewormers vaccinations

Do it myself
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I had no idea that it can be found in Heartguard... that's terrible.

Is it in any other things we should know about?
 Quoting: Pandora Petal




Not just "found in", it's the main active ingredient.
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My male tuxedo cat is losing weight. He eats, but I'm pretty sure he's a bit wormy. What can I get him from Tractor Supply that will help him with a proper dose?
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My male tuxedo cat is losing weight. He eats, but I'm pretty sure he's a bit wormy. What can I get him from Tractor Supply that will help him with a proper dose?
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Ask about their goat de-wormer. Double check with your vet since many things ok for dogs are lethal for cats.

I was in TS the other day and noticed a lot of dewormers specifically for cats

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My male tuxedo cat is losing weight. He eats, but I'm pretty sure he's a bit wormy. What can I get him from Tractor Supply that will help him with a proper dose?
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Hold on.

It can be a variety of things. Compile a list of symtoms first. Don't treat until you know for sure.

My cat is 17 hugs and was always fat. Past 2 years he's lost weight, even tho eats and drinks well.
Point tho, as they get older, kidneys start winding down and they lose weight. I put him on a lower protein diet after seeing his blood work percentages were off.
Look at several of your cat's factors.
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Nonsense
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since many things ok for dogs are lethal for cats.

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That is also nonsense putin
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Ivermectin does NOT kill your animals unless you give them a massive amount (an overdose) Do you understand this?
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No, you are wrong. There is a genetic test to determine which animals carry the gene that reacts poorly to Ivermectrine.

I did NOT overdose my horse.
 Quoting: Pandora Petal




She may have been carrying a heavy worm.
 Quoting: Ontheverge


Is that opposed to a light worm? putin lmao
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Ivermectin does NOT kill your animals unless you give them a massive amount (an overdose) Do you understand this?
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hesright
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My male tuxedo cat is losing weight. He eats, but I'm pretty sure he's a bit wormy. What can I get him from Tractor Supply that will help him with a proper dose?
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[link to animalpetdoctor.homestead.com]

Hope this info proves helpful. I just had to deworm all our critters this week

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