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GLP When The Grid Goes Down - HELLSCHREIBER

 
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GLP When The Grid Goes Down - HELLSCHREIBER
The question that has been kicked around on various threads is what if the GLP effect fails? How do we get the juicy info if it all goes sideways?

One way to do this is with HF radio on the 20 meter band using 50 watts, using a text mode called Hellschreiber - also called Feld-Hell.

Here's an introduction to this mode:

[link to www.nonstopsystems.com (secure)]

The idea would be to have a master station receiving at 20 meters throughout the day. 8 am CST to 7 pm seems to be the best for radio propagation at this frequency.

PRIMARY: 14.064 Mhz

SECONDARY: 14.075 Mhz

TERTIARY: 14.077 Mhz


[link to www.voacap.com]

Every day, say at 5 pm CST, a digest of all the field reports received with Feld-Hell would be retransmitted several times via CW. Then the master station goes into receive mode.

You wouldn't need a transmitter to get these reports. A HF receiver like a Grundig could receive the transmission, and a laptop with free Hellscheiber decoding software would display the daily digest.

You can download the software here:

[link to www.qsl.net]

And radio-computer hookup information is here:

[link to www.qsl.net]

Alternatively, a computer with an external microphone could conceivably receive the transmission by simply putting the microphone near the radio's speaker - no splicing wires would be needed.

Your thoughts?

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A doc showing what the radio-computer hookup would look like:

[link to www.tmrahamradio.org]
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I've been looking into HAM radios lately. Going to get a license soon.
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This is awesome!! I have a radio. No clue how to use it.

What's the best option for recharging it?
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This is awesome!! I have a radio. No clue how to use it.

What's the best option for recharging it?
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I would learn how to use it, and then set up the following:

A galvanized garbage can to store it in. Galvanized lid, too.

A cheap used laptop ($100) with MuliPSK or Hellschreiber software

A 150 watt inverter and computer / radio power supplies

A 10 watt solar panel with charge controller

A 12 vdc deep cycle battery (doesn't need to be in the can)

An antenna for the radio.

Once you have all this together and prove it works with Hellschreiber, put everything minus the battery in the can. Seal the can with aluminum tape. Keep the battery on a trickle charger.

The 10 watt solar panel should give you four hours of daily operation. A 60 - 80 watt panel should give you 24 hours a day use reliably. Don't know if a panel that large can be put in the can, which it needs to be for EMP.



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what's the cheapest way to receive this and other info?

i don't have the time or money right now to get a ham license and hardware, so I'm not looking to transmit right now, but a receiver would be nice.

thanks in advance.
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what's the cheapest way to receive this and other info?

i don't have the time or money right now to get a ham license and hardware, so I'm not looking to transmit right now, but a receiver would be nice.

thanks in advance.
 Quoting: johnsnow


I would get a HF receiver like a Grundig from Ebay. Load up the Hellschreiber software and get an external microphone to prop up next to the receiver speaker.

Alternatively, you could directly connect the receiver audio out to the mic in of your computer. Select "line in" for sound source. Make sure the volume on the radio is down before you do.
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For those of you interested in this but don't have a ham background, I would suggest that you find a ham radio operator and give him a printout of this page.

Get his advice on how to set this up and train you on radios and antennas.
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I certainly wouldnt want to be the one transmitting any signal. if the Russians moved in with troops the moment you transmitted anything you'd be located in millisecond and they would take out the 1 kilometer grid reference you were in within afew minutes.
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I certainly wouldnt want to be the one transmitting any signal. if the Russians moved in with troops the moment you transmitted anything you'd be located in millisecond and they would take out the 1 kilometer grid reference you were in within afew minutes.
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HF is one of the more secure ways to transmit and not get caught, especially in this grid-down and EMP'd scenario.

Radiolocation with HF is a bit problematic, and much more so with this scenario. Typically you need to be within line of sight to get a good bearing on a transmitter.

Direction finding teams need a few things to work. Trained people, working DF equipment, and support. All these things are at risk in the grid-down scenario.

A way of defeating radiolocation is the "shoot and scoot" tactic. Drive out to some place, transmit, then never go back there again.
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I'm open to suggestions for the fixed frequency for this GLP channel - somewhere between 14.060 and 14.080 Mhz...

Any other hams out there?

[link to websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901]

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we got a bunch of ham radio people in town. so, when world war everything happens, they're the first to lose their equipment from some military or militia. as if you think men won't be desperate for material things against the law when it's the worst? I plan to be there first, taking the solar chargers off their rooftop and siphoning out their gas tanks. reconfiguring the radio to add some more magnets and sending a gamma wave burst to the next planet hailing for help. Or andromeda. tall blues there.

radios? I'm a telepath on a good day. Radios are actually a negative marker in the wild.
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we got a bunch of ham radio people in town. so, when world war everything happens, they're the first to lose their equipment from some military or militia. as if you think men won't be desperate for material things against the law when it's the worst? I plan to be there first, taking the solar chargers off their rooftop and siphoning out their gas tanks. reconfiguring the radio to add some more magnets and sending a gamma wave burst to the next planet hailing for help. Or andromeda. tall blues there.

radios? I'm a telepath on a good day. Radios are actually a negative marker in the wild.
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You broke the connection. Why?
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Just let us know what frequency you pick.

Before the missiles start dropping.

And 2 backup frequencies.


Great idea.


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Forget your hellshriber fantasy, om.
.
The only reason why you even mentioned it is because you fap to the name .

Lets just get on 14.351 lsb and be done with it
No need to add another silly digital complication of fap fap fap HELLshriber fap fap
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Just let us know what frequency you pick.

Before the missiles start dropping.

And 2 backup frequencies.


Great idea.


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 Quoting: Luxen


PRIMARY: 14.064 Mhz

SECONDARY: 14.075 Mhz

TERTIARY: 14.077 Mhz

[link to www.bandplans.com]

I kept it all 20 meters, to avoid issues with switching bands and keep it simple for the listeners who are not hams.

Feld-Hell can be used with any transmission medium or frequency, provided it is demodulated as an audio signal.

In this scenario, the 20 meters band should be pretty quiet.
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Forget your hellshriber fantasy, om.
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The only reason why you even mentioned it is because you fap to the name .

Lets just get on 14.351 lsb and be done with it
No need to add another silly digital complication of fap fap fap HELLshriber fap fap
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42099078


While voice would be preferable, Feld-Hell and other modes allow for low power with good propagation.
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I'm taking my test next Saturday.
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What class are you going for?
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Duly noted.

Excellent.

Much obliged.
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This is awesome!! I have a radio. No clue how to use it.

What's the best option for recharging it?
 Quoting: Silenced J


I would learn how to use it, and then set up the following:

A galvanized garbage can to store it in. Galvanized lid, too.

A cheap used laptop ($100) with MuliPSK or Hellschreiber software

A 150 watt inverter and computer / radio power supplies

A 10 watt solar panel with charge controller

A 12 vdc deep cycle battery (doesn't need to be in the can)

An antenna for the radio.

Once you have all this together and prove it works with Hellschreiber, put everything minus the battery in the can. Seal the can with aluminum tape. Keep the battery on a trickle charger.

The 10 watt solar panel should give you four hours of daily operation. A 60 - 80 watt panel should give you 24 hours a day use reliably. Don't know if a panel that large can be put in the can, which it needs to be for EMP.


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Im not doubting you but why would a solar panel need to be inside a emp blocker? Only thing on a panel is blocking diodes right?
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Re: GLP When The Grid Goes Down - HELLSCHREIBER
The question that has been kicked around on various threads is what if the GLP effect fails? How do we get the juicy info if it all goes sideways?

One way to do this is with HF radio on the 20 meter band using 50 watts, using a text mode called Hellschreiber - also called Feld-Hell.

Here's an introduction to this mode:

[link to www.nonstopsystems.com (secure)]

The idea would be to have a master station receiving at 20 meters (14.060 - 14.080 Mhz) throughout the day. 8 am CST to 7 pm seems to be the best for radio propagation at this frequency.

[link to www.voacap.com]

Every day, say at 5 pm CST, a digest of all the field reports received with Feld-Hell would be retransmitted several times via CW. Then the master station goes into receive mode.

You wouldn't need a transmitter to get these reports. A HF receiver like a Grundig could receive the transmission, and a laptop with free Hellscheiber decoding software would display the daily digest.

You can download the software here:

[link to www.qsl.net]

And radio-computer hookup information is here:

[link to www.qsl.net]

Alternatively, a computer with an external microphone could conceivably receive the transmission by simply putting the microphone near the radio's speaker - no splicing wires would be needed.

Your thoughts?
 Quoting: Cheyenne


Great info...but whos to say GLP will be putting out?? kind of like a blind date...dont know what it will look like or if getting any...
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 Quoting: Cheyenne


Im not doubting you but why would a solar panel need to be inside a emp blocker? Only thing on a panel is blocking diodes right?
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The panel is a large wideband antenna, the kind of thing I believe would be damaged by EMP. Personally, I wouldn't take the chance.
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Great info...but whos to say GLP will be putting out?? kind of like a blind date...dont know what it will look like or if getting any...
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First of all, this thread wasn't started by GM. It would be a place where GLP-ers could connect on HF - which is one of the few means of long distance communication in this scenario.

If out of the thousands of GLP posters, ten had transmission rigs like this, a rough idea of what is going on in this event could be pieced together and broadcast.
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Great info...but whos to say GLP will be putting out?? kind of like a blind date...dont know what it will look like or if getting any...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17623214


First of all, this thread wasn't started by GM. It would be a place where GLP-ers could connect on HF - which is one of the few means of long distance communication in this scenario.

If out of the thousands of GLP posters, ten had transmission rigs like this, a rough idea of what is going on in this event could be pieced together and broadcast.
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my bad..you mean a wild west glp...whats our password??
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I've been looking into HAM radios lately. Going to get a license soon.
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you don't need a license to listen and if shtf no one will care if you are transmitting.
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I certainly wouldnt want to be the one transmitting any signal. if the Russians moved in with troops the moment you transmitted anything you'd be located in millisecond and they would take out the 1 kilometer grid reference you were in within afew minutes.
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HF is one of the more secure ways to transmit and not get caught, especially in this grid-down and EMP'd scenario.

Radiolocation with HF is a bit problematic, and much more so with this scenario. Typically you need to be within line of sight to get a good bearing on a transmitter.

Direction finding teams need a few things to work. Trained people, working DF equipment, and support. All these things are at risk in the grid-down scenario.

A way of defeating radiolocation is the "shoot and scoot" tactic. Drive out to some place, transmit, then never go back there again.
 Quoting: Cheyenne


I come from royal signals back ground and 15 years ago the very second you transmitted the Russians would of DF'ed you 3 million times regardless of HF or VHF. The way you survive on the battlefield was using EW tactics by setting up a wall of radio signals which effectively covered your transmission. This is where you'd the "shoot and scoot" tactics which is very dangerous job as it's front line and if you get delayed you're dead.
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Re: GLP When The Grid Goes Down - HELLSCHREIBER
I'm open to suggestions for the fixed frequency for this GLP channel - somewhere between 14.060 and 14.080 Mhz...

Any other hams out there?

[link to websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901]
 Quoting: Cheyenne


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