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Jesus is God: A Simple Biblical Argument

 
Sheshbazzar
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Jesus is God: A Simple Biblical Argument
I challenge all of you to point out what is heretical in what follows. Monotheism, I serve Yahweh, I know him. You don't and are a coward for your avoiding this simple, innocent question, namely whether Jesus is or isn't the word "God".

All of you effeminate deniers of Jesus' godhood have a lacking reason, you cannot prove the obvious, that Son = Father, and insist on proving the unprovable i.e., that Son != Father. This your modest reason, you, irrationally obviously, still want to stuff in the stead of your other lacuna, you want to substitute reason for faith, dividing your already mince reason, faith being nonexistent in you. Thus it is that

For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. (Matthew 13.12)

Argument (turn your brain on, if you can):

Jesus is the word of God, the word "God". Word of God, means that "word" is a property of "God" i.e., "God" is a word. Jesus is the word "God". (Already lost?).

This word of God is spoken of God. This word "God" is the original meaning of the word "God", what does it means to be God. This word is the concept of God which God begat by thinking on himself. God conceived his concept by introspection, God knew himself: who knows God better than God himself? Yea, who knows God at all except God?

This word of God says everything about God, whatever you will ever correctly think about God is derivable from the word of God. This word of God is simply the I of God. This I of God is his identity, his image and likeness. This word is the temple of God, the stones of which are the angels, messages of God, words of God, children of God who speak about God, they are the properties, relations of God, just like in mathematical logic. The chief cornerstone thereof being the word of God itself. Yes the word "God" is a proper part of itself.

This word is the praise of God for whatever it says about God can only be praise. This praise of God, by speaking about what it witnesses, by praising God, says itself because it is itself that praise. Thus the word of God says itself. The word of God, like God, says the word of God. The word of God knows God. The word of God is God because, as already mentioned, only God can know himself. (Quick test: go and say "I" in public, does anyone, except you, answers "here I am"?).

The above is a rational proof of Father = Son.
Notice that whenever you speak about God, your sentence, as a concept, involves nothing but concepts, in particular the concept of God. Consider for instance the following true relation "Father begets Son". What is the word "Father"? It is none other than the concept of God. This concept is none other than the word of God, the word "God", the Son. Hence the equivalent relation: "Son begets Son". Can you distinguish Father from Son? No, as the above example a posteriori confirms. The name of God "I become" or "I was, I am, I come" makes this obvious: "I come" is begotten of "I am" and yet is still the name of God, the I of God i.e., the Son.

And yet, the Son isn't God, but this is unprovable and leads to a contradiction. You cannot say it, it is beyond any concept. I tacitly believe this. But you can't, your faculty of faith is atrophied. What the mysterious equality Father = Son causes is the contradictory, void and without form hell where we are right now. Where the Son was sent, where we, Ittai the Gittite, fell, following the Son withersoever he goeth, even unto death.

You don't know God, you don't know the Bible, you are worthless dross to be done away with.
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And again, Jesus is God.
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That Promise.
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BUMP, you blinds.
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Re: Jesus is God: A Simple Biblical Argument
Mark 10:18
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


Do any of you actually read the fucking Bible?
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i using not my eyes to see
i using me heart to see
i saw HIM , i feel HIM , i touch HIM
i ask HIM
Pardon me
Jesus is GOD

"Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
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Mark 10:18
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


Do any of you actually read the fucking Bible?
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Where is the denial? Yes only God is good, did he deny his being God? No.
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Matthew 3:17
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
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Mark 10:18
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


Do any of you actually read the fucking Bible?
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Where is the denial? Yes only God is good, did he deny his being God? No.
 Quoting: Levi 66122402


Lucifer claimed to be God, and now you are saying Jesus is doing the same.
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Not until the 4th Gospel, the authors of the first 3 Gospels never saw Jesus as God, and did not write that Jesus made that claim either.

Perhaps the authors of the first 3 Gospels forgot to mention it?
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No need to insult...That doesn't help anyone's argument.
Pray this prayer to blind Satan:
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Matthew 3:17
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
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And..? Heaven & earth, arms & legs, hands & feet.
The right hand of God spoke to his feet.

Jesus is the face of God, his self-knowledge which he begat by introspection, the sum of God's glories.
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Re: Jesus is God: A Simple Biblical Argument
Mark 10:18
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


Do any of you actually read the fucking Bible?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73421992


Where is the denial? Yes only God is good, did he deny his being God? No.
 Quoting: Levi 66122402


Lucifer claimed to be God, and now you are saying Jesus is doing the same.
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Jesus is the Serpent, my God.
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Premise:

1. God cannot die

2. Jesus died

Conclusion:

Jesus not God



..succinct tongue anyhow
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Not until the 4th Gospel, the authors of the first 3 Gospels never saw Jesus as God, and did not write that Jesus made that claim either.

Perhaps the authors of the first 3 Gospels forgot to mention it?
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Psalm 82.
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Not until the 4th Gospel, the authors of the first 3 Gospels never saw Jesus as God, and did not write that Jesus made that claim either.

Perhaps the authors of the first 3 Gospels forgot to mention it?
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They forgot nothing, understand comes from revelation, which is given by God.

All else is from Lucifer.
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Re: Jesus is God: A Simple Biblical Argument
Mark 10:18
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


Do any of you actually read the fucking Bible?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73421992


Where is the denial? Yes only God is good, did he deny his being God? No.
 Quoting: Levi 66122402


Lucifer claimed to be God, and now you are saying Jesus is doing the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73421992


Jesus is the Serpent, my God.
 Quoting: Shamash-ban-zeri-Babili-ucur 71986205




Then you can stay here then. Along with the rest of Lucifer's followers.

Enjoy your next life.
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Not until the 4th Gospel, the authors of the first 3 Gospels never saw Jesus as God, and did not write that Jesus made that claim either.

Perhaps the authors of the first 3 Gospels forgot to mention it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68645048


Psalm 82.
 Quoting: Shamash-ban-zeri-Babili-ucur 71986205


What does psalm 82 have to do with it?
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Re: Jesus is God: A Simple Biblical Argument
Premise:

1. God cannot die

2. Jesus died

Conclusion:

Jesus not God



..succinct tongue anyhow
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False, God dies, is reborn. Why? To prove that he cannot die:
If God is dead, God lives: a reductio ad absurdum.

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. (Revelation 1.18)

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1.8)

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. (Revelation 22.13)

And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; (Revelation 2.8)

Fear.
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Where is the denial? Yes only God is good, did he deny his being God? No.
 Quoting: Levi 66122402


Lucifer claimed to be God, and now you are saying Jesus is doing the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73421992


Jesus is the Serpent, my God.
 Quoting: Shamash-ban-zeri-Babili-ucur 71986205




Then you can stay here then. Along with the rest of Lucifer's followers.

Enjoy your next life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73421992


I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (Revelation 22.16)

Further confirmation:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: (Revelation 1.1)

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (Revelation 22.16)

The same angel for Father and Son: the Spirit.
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Not until the 4th Gospel, the authors of the first 3 Gospels never saw Jesus as God, and did not write that Jesus made that claim either.

Perhaps the authors of the first 3 Gospels forgot to mention it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68645048


Psalm 82.
 Quoting: Shamash-ban-zeri-Babili-ucur 71986205


What does psalm 82 have to do with it?
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The host of heaven are the gods, Jesus is the prince thereof.
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Lucifer claimed to be God, and now you are saying Jesus is doing the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73421992


Jesus is the Serpent, my God.
 Quoting: Shamash-ban-zeri-Babili-ucur 71986205




Then you can stay here then. Along with the rest of Lucifer's followers.

Enjoy your next life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73421992


I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (Revelation 22.16)

Further confirmation:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: (Revelation 1.1)

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (Revelation 22.16)

The same angel for Father and Son: the Spirit.
 Quoting: Shamash-ban-zeri-Babili-ucur 71986205



When you die, sooner than you think, you'll have your confirmation.



In the mean time. Grasp.
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Not until the 4th Gospel, the authors of the first 3 Gospels never saw Jesus as God, and did not write that Jesus made that claim either.

Perhaps the authors of the first 3 Gospels forgot to mention it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68645048



They forgot nothing, understand comes from revelation, which is given by God.

All else is from Lucifer.
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Quite ironically, the Spirit of prophecy is nothing else than the blood of Satan. He sacrificed himself, bled himself into deception, for us, his prisoners.

The blood of Jesus, of Satan, is the Spirit of truth. In heaven Jesus made himself devoid of his blood, of truth, he thus is a deceiver, in heaven, from the beginning.

Jesus really did send us the Spirit, he cast the truth to the ground. On earth, Jesus received his own blood, he spoke the truth.

Do any of you read the Bible?
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Not until the 4th Gospel, the authors of the first 3 Gospels never saw Jesus as God, and did not write that Jesus made that claim either.

Perhaps the authors of the first 3 Gospels forgot to mention it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68645048



They forgot nothing, understand comes from revelation, which is given by God.

All else is from Lucifer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73421992


Quite ironically, the Spirit of prophecy is nothing else than the blood of Satan. He sacrificed himself, bled himself into deception, for us, his prisoners.

The blood of Jesus, of Satan, is the Spirit of truth. In heaven Jesus made himself devoid of his blood, of truth, he thus is a deceiver, in heaven, from the beginning.

Jesus really did send us the Spirit, he cast the truth to the ground. On earth, Jesus received his own blood, he spoke the truth.

Do any of you read the Bible?
 Quoting: Shamash-ban-zeri-Babili-ucur 71986205



Words are nothing.

Understanding is everything.
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Not until the 4th Gospel, the authors of the first 3 Gospels never saw Jesus as God, and did not write that Jesus made that claim either.

Perhaps the authors of the first 3 Gospels forgot to mention it?
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They forgot nothing, understand comes from revelation, which is given by God.

All else is from Lucifer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73421992


Stop making stuff up...

learn your own bible.


If they didn't forget, then why don't they mention any of these:

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14, "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
John 5:18, "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
John 8:24, "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."
Note: In the Greek, "He" is not there.
John 8:58, "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'"
John 10:30-33, "I and the Father are one." 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
John 20:28, "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

If Jesus really said these things, then why aren't they found in any of the first 3 Gospels??

They were written BEFORE John, but in them the authors (unlike John who clearly thinks Jesus is God) do NOT speak about Jesus as if he were God, and why aren't any of the things that John claims Jesus said, found in them?
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Not until the 4th Gospel, the authors of the first 3 Gospels never saw Jesus as God, and did not write that Jesus made that claim either.

Perhaps the authors of the first 3 Gospels forgot to mention it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68645048



They forgot nothing, understand comes from revelation, which is given by God.

All else is from Lucifer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73421992


Stop making stuff up...

learn your own bible.


If they didn't forget, then why don't they mention any of these:

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14, "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
John 5:18, "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
John 8:24, "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."
Note: In the Greek, "He" is not there.
John 8:58, "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'"
John 10:30-33, "I and the Father are one." 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
John 20:28, "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

If Jesus really said these things, then why aren't they found in any of the first 3 Gospels??

They were written BEFORE John, but in them the authors (unlike John who clearly thinks Jesus is God) do NOT speak about Jesus as if he were God, and why aren't any of the things that John claims Jesus said, found in them?
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Deal with it. God gave us this Canon.
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Thomas to Jesus:
John 20:28
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
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Job 35 New International Version (NIV)

35 Then Elihu said:

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“Do you think this is just?
You say, ‘I am in the right, not God.’
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Yet you ask him, ‘What profit is it to me,[a]
and what do I gain by not sinning?’

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“I would like to reply to you
and to your friends with you.
5
Look up at the heavens and see;
gaze at the clouds so high above you.
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If you sin, how does that affect him?
If your sins are many, what does that do to him?
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If you are righteous, what do you give to him,
or what does he receive from your hand?
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Your wickedness only affects humans like yourself,
and your righteousness only other people.

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“People cry out under a load of oppression;
they plead for relief from the arm of the powerful.
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But no one says, ‘Where is God my Maker,
who gives songs in the night,
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who teaches us more than he teaches the beasts of the earth
and makes us wiser than[c] the birds in the sky?’
12
He does not answer when people cry out
because of the arrogance of the wicked.
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Indeed, God does not listen to their empty plea;
the Almighty pays no attention to it.
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How much less, then, will he listen
when you say that you do not see him,
that your case is before him
and you must wait for him,
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and further, that his anger never punishes
and he does not take the least notice of wickedness.[d]
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So Job opens his mouth with empty talk;
without knowledge he multiplies words.”
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Jesus is God, the 'I Am' husband of Israel- The Holy One- The King of Israel (The Church) in Old and New Testaments- We Enter the Kingdom Through Tribulation

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Who is good but God?
Luke 18:19 "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God."

Who is one with God?
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

Who is Jesus?
John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

Who is God?
Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

Who is Jesus?
Rev 22:13
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
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John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Mark 2:5-7 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

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