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"Faithless Electors"

 
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"Faithless Electors"
"Faithless Electors" are members of the Electoral College who, for whatever reason, do not vote for their party's designated candidate.

Since the founding of the Electoral College, there have been 157 faithless electors. 71 of these votes were changed because the original candidate died before the day on which the Electoral College cast its votes. Three of the votes were not cast at all as three electors chose to abstain from casting their electoral vote for any candidate. The other 82 electoral votes were changed on the personal initiative of the elector."

[link to www.fairvote.org]

List of states where electors are legally bound to uphold the popular vote and interesting information:

[link to archive.fairvote.org]

*Apparently, despite it being illegal, electors in 29 states can (and have) voted against the popular vote. 1) The most they will face is a $1000 fine and if ever challenged in court, the legal binding agreement will likely be found unconstitutional anyway.

Just sayin'. It's not over till the crooked lady sings.
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Re: "Faithless Electors"
*The Electoral College meets on December 19 to vote for our next president*
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11/10/2016 04:18 AM
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Re: "Faithless Electors"
Someone needs to sit them down and show them the zapruder film.
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11/10/2016 05:01 AM
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Re: "Faithless Electors"
Here's a list that I made earlier. Also, when watching Hillary's "concession" speech on FOX, they specifically said afterwards that it was "not a formal concession speech”

I wish that I had recorded it...


Unbound Electors:

Arizona (11) Trump?
Arkansas (6) Trump?
Georgia (16) Trump?
Idaho (4) Trump?
Illinois (20 - Clinton)
Indiana (11) Trump?
Iowa (6) Trump?
Kansas (6) Trump?
Kentucky (8) Trump?
Louisiana (8) Trump?
Minnesota (10 - Clinton)
Missouri (10) Trump?
New Hampshire (4) Clinton?
New Jersey (15 - Clinton)
New York (29 - Clinton)
North Dakota (3) Trump?
Pennsylvania (20) Trump?
Rhode Island (4 - Clinton)
South Dakota (3) Trump?
Texas (38) Trump?
West Virginia (5) Trump?


Bound by Law:

Alabama (9 - Trump)
Alaska (3 - Trump)
California (55 - Clinton)
Colorado (9 - Clinton)
Connecticut (7 - Clinton)
Delaware (3 - Clinton)
District of Columbia (3 - Clinton)
Florida (29 - Trump)
Hawaii (4 - Clinton)
Maine (3 - Clinton)
Maryland (10 - Clinton)
Massachusetts (11 - Clinton)
Michigan (16 - Trump* close call, could be contested)
Mississippi (6 - Trump)
Montana (3 - Trump)
Nebraska (5 - Trump)
Nevada (6 - Clinton)
New Mexico (5 - Clinton)
North Carolina (15 - Trump)
Ohio (18 - Trump)
Oklahoma (7 - Trump)
Oregon (7 - Trump)
South Carolina (9 - Trump)
Tennessee (11 - Trump)
Utah (6 - Trump)
Vermont (3 - Clinton)
Virginia (13 - Clinton)
Washington (12 - Clinton) ** one elector has vowed not to vote Clinton
Wisconsin (10 - Trump)
Wyoming (3 - Trump)

Trump 175
Clinton 144+78 = 222



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11/10/2016 05:06 AM
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*The Electoral College meets on December 19 to vote for our next president*
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[link to www.archives.gov (secure)]

December 19, 2016 - The Electors meet in their state and vote for President and Vice President on separate ballots.

December 28, 2016 - Electoral votes (the Certificates of Vote) must be received by the President of the Senate and the Archivist no later than nine days after the meeting of the electors. States face no legal penalty for failure to comply.

January 6, 2017 - The Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes. Congress may pass a law to change this date. ...the Senate then declares which persons, if any, have been elected President and Vice President of the United States.


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11/10/2016 05:50 AM
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With her concession, it's over. There will be no electoral vote.
me12345

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11/10/2016 07:32 AM
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With her concession, it's over. There will be no electoral vote.
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I'm all for Trump, but this seems way too easy.

What law says no electoral vote if there's a concession?


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Re: "Faithless Electors"
With her concession, it's over. There will be no electoral vote.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28425347



I'm all for Trump, but this seems way too easy.

What law says no electoral vote if there's a concession?


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It's called giving up, quitting in other words.
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With her concession, it's over. There will be no electoral vote.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28425347



I'm all for Trump, but this seems way too easy.

What law says no electoral vote if there's a concession?


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 Quoting: me12345


It's called giving up, quitting in other words.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28425347



So electors won't follow the law (do their job) and vote?

They will.

And if they don't like Trump, or they're influenced somehow???
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11/10/2016 09:26 AM
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Re: "Faithless Electors"
Her concession speech was not a formal concession speech?
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11/10/2016 09:40 AM
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Her concession speech was not a formal concession speech?
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That's what FOX said minutes after the fact. I wrote it on my hand to remember.

I can't find any link or discussion, but it was said.

What are the legalities? I honestly don't know...
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Re: "Faithless Electors"
Was looking at this too...

VA electoral voting based on popular is 'customary' not a law like the other 25 states.

There's nearly 250 electoral votes that can still go either way, possibly giving Clinton the win. We won't know til January 6th or so.


My questions are- did hillary actually say she concedes in her speech? I can't stand to listen to her so I haven't listened... But if she did not officially concede there's still a chance to flip.

Also, since I gathered this info from archives.gov, I consider it the actual way it works. Why would the Clinton biased media start calling for her to concede? It just doesn't make sense that they would be encouraging her to concede when there's still potential for faithless electors to change.m
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Was looking at this too...

VA electoral voting based on popular is 'customary' not a law like the other 25 states.

There's nearly 250 electoral votes that can still go either way, possibly giving Clinton the win. We won't know til January 6th or so.


My questions are- did hillary actually say she concedes in her speech? I can't stand to listen to her so I haven't listened... But if she did not officially concede there's still a chance to flip.

Also, since I gathered this info from archives.gov, I consider it the actual way it works. Why would the Clinton biased media start calling for her to concede? It just doesn't make sense that they would be encouraging her to concede when there's still potential for faithless electors to change.m
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11/10/2016 10:02 AM
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Re: "Faithless Electors"
George Soros will bribe them "Faithless electors".
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11/10/2016 10:09 AM
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We need to be watching the next 60 days REAL CLOSELY
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11/10/2016 10:10 AM
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We need to be watching the next 60 days REAL CLOSELY
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60 very dangerous days


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11/10/2016 10:41 AM
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Re: "Faithless Electors"
There is a Texas elector that is considering giving his vote to Clinton because he hates Trump.

Chris Suprun.

Wonder how many others there are that are going to be assholes.
And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.

I am an evil giraffe, and I shall eat more leaves from this tree than perhaps I should, so that other giraffes may die.
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Re: "Faithless Electors"
There is a Texas elector that is considering giving his vote to Clinton because he hates Trump.

Chris Suprun.

Wonder how many others there are that are going to be assholes.
 Quoting: Deplorable Debauchery


Trump/Pence 305 electoral votes.It's done deal.
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Re: "Faithless Electors"
There is a Texas elector that is considering giving his vote to Clinton because he hates Trump.

Chris Suprun.

Wonder how many others there are that are going to be assholes.
 Quoting: Deplorable Debauchery


Trump/Pence 305 electoral votes.It's done deal.
 Quoting: Pillar2


Oh I'm not too concerned, I just thought I'd mention it.

I don't think the electors are going to swing the election in favor of Clinton.
And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.

I am an evil giraffe, and I shall eat more leaves from this tree than perhaps I should, so that other giraffes may die.





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