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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73037069 United States 11/30/2016 07:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone know a good commentary or guideline while reading it? Quoting: Indysmindy This is my first time attempting to read it all Don't bother. It is a work of fiction passing itself off as Holy Scripture. It's of the devil, and unless you're looking to fill your mind with lies, read The Holy Bible to get all the truth you'll ever need. I think you may be ill informed. Actually Jesus Christ mentioned and QUOTED The Book of Enoch several times. |
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User ID: 73228121 United States 11/30/2016 07:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone know a good commentary or guideline while reading it? Quoting: Indysmindy This is my first time attempting to read it all Don't bother. It is a work of fiction passing itself off as Holy Scripture. It's of the devil, and unless you're looking to fill your mind with lies, read The Holy Bible to get all the truth you'll ever need. Jesus is clearly in the Book of Enoch, chapter 48: 1. And in that place I saw the fountain of righteousness Which was inexhaustible: And around it were many fountains of wisdom; And all the thirsty drank of them, And were filled with wisdom, And their dwellings were with the righteous and holy and elect. 2. And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits, And his name before the Head of Days. 3. Yea, before the sun and the signs were created, Before the stars of the heaven were made, His name was named before the Lord of Spirits. 4. He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall, And he shall be the light of the Gentiles, And the hope of those who are troubled of heart. 5. All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him, And will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of Spirits. 6. And for this reason hath he been chosen and hidden before Him, Before the creation of the world and for evermore. 7. And the wisdom of the Lord of Spirits hath revealed him to the holy and righteous; For he hath preserved the lot of the righteous, Because they have hated and despised this world of unrighteousness, And have hated all its works and ways in the name of the Lord of Spirits: For in his name they are saved, And according to his good pleasure hath it been in regard to their life. 8. In these days downcast in countenance shall the kings of the earth have become, And the strong who possess the land because of the works of their hands; For on the day of their anguish and affliction they shall not (be able to) save themselves. 9. And I will give them over into the hands of Mine elect: As straw in the fire so shall they burn before the face of the holy: As lead in the water shall they sink before the face of the righteous, And no trace of them shall any more be found. 10. And on the day of their affliction there shall be rest on the earth, And before them they shall fall and not rise again: And there shall be no one to take them with his hands and raise them: For they have denied the Lord of Spirits and His Anointed. The name of the Lord of Spirits be blessed. ------------------------------------ "Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Act 4:11-12 |
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Everything User ID: 71719409 United States 11/30/2016 07:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then you would have to have very good translations, from the earliest languages. They may find the stone tablet yet. Sorry I got a headache These are the times that tries men's and women's souls! May we come though it victorious! |
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Everything User ID: 71719409 United States 11/30/2016 07:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hope you remember The Lord wrote the ten commandment on stone. The thing is, Moses and the ones out of Egypt were not that long from the flood times, not as long as it seems sometimes. I do wish they had it in chronological sequence, so everyone at the time of each chapter and timeline, it would read much better. It was this way in the beginning and someone changed it. Bad idea. Sorry I got a headache These are the times that tries men's and women's souls! May we come though it victorious! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71433356 United States 11/30/2016 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone know a good commentary or guideline while reading it? Quoting: Indysmindy This is my first time attempting to read it all Don't bother. It is a work of fiction passing itself off as Holy Scripture. It's of the devil, and unless you're looking to fill your mind with lies, read The Holy Bible to get all the truth you'll ever need. I think you may be ill informed. Actually Jesus Christ mentioned and QUOTED The Book of Enoch several times. When I read this book , I could see why men would not want it in the Bible it is very deep and you have to know the Book of Revelation to understand it, it scared them |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12181572 Canada 11/30/2016 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a lot to be said for a good commentary, but if you understand the basics old testament or Torah writing then just read it through on your own first. I have read it and my opinion is that is at the same time interestingly thought provoking and obvious why it was not made cannon. For starters, it is not complete. Hard to gain insight into something when parts are either missing or don't fit canonical scripture. For me, it's something to keep in mind as some things in it offer possible explanations for the split in heavenly angels and their affect on the condition of man, but not something to treat as fact because it is incomplete and some things in it are so far out of step with all other biblical writings. Quoting: Resister Ok,thank you for this information. I'll keep it in mind. It's not incomplete and it is 100% truth. SO does 2nd and third Enoch. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12181572 Canada 11/30/2016 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Noah and Nir looked at him closely, saying, "This is from The Lord, my brother." And behold the badge of priesthood was on his chest, and it was glorious in appearance. Noah said to Nir, "Behold, God is renewing the priesthood from blood related to us, just as He pleases.." Noah and Nir hurried and washed the child, they dressed him in the garments of the priesthood, and they gave him bread to eat and he ate it. And they called him Melchizedek . Noah and Nir lifted up the body of Sopanim, divested her of the black garments, and washed her. They clothed her in exceptionally bright garments and built a grave for her. Noah, Nir, and Melchizedek came and they buried her publicly. Noah said to his brother Nir, "Look after this child in secret until the time, because people will become treacherous in all the earth, they will begin to turn away from God, and having become totally ignorant, and in some way when they see him, they will put him to death." Then Noah went away to his own place, and behold, great lawlessness began to become abundant over all the earth in the days of Nir. And Nir began to worry excessively about the child saying, "What will I do with him?" And stretching out his hands toward heaven, Nir called out to The Lord, saying, "How miserable it is for me, Eternal Lord, that all lawlessness has begun to become abundant over all the earth in my days! And I realize how much nearer our end is, on account of the lawlessness of the people. And now, Lord, what is the vision about this child, and what is his destiny, or what will I do for him, so that he too will not be joined with us in this destruction?" The Lord heeded Nir and appeared to him in a night vision. And He said to him, "Behold already, Nir, the great lawlessness which has come about on the earth, which I shall not tolerate anymore. Behold, I plan not to send down a great destruction onto the earth. But, concerning the child, do not worry, Nir; because I, in a short while, will send My archangel Gabriel. And he will take the child and put him in the paradise of Edem. He will not perish along with those who must perish. As I have revealed it, Melchizedek will be My priest to all holy priests, I will sanctify him and I will establish him so that he will be the head of the priests of the future." Nir arose from his sleep and blessed The Lord, Who had appeared to him saying: Blessed be The Lord, The God of my fathers, Who has not condemned my priesthood and the priesthood of my fathers, because by His Word, He has created a great priest in the womb of Sopanim, my wife. For I have no descendants. So let this child take the place of my descendants and become as my own son, and You will count him in the number of your servants." "Therefore honor him together with your servants and great priests and me your servant, Nir. And behold, Melchizedek will be the head of priests in another generation. I know that great confusion has come and in confusion this generation will come to an end, and everyone will perish, except that Noah, my brother, will be preserved for procreation. From his tribe, there will arise numerous people, and Melchizedek will become the head of priests reigning over a royal people who serve You, O Lord." 72 It happened when the child had completed 40 days in Nir's tent, The Lord said to the archangel Gabriel, "Go down onto the earth to Nir the priest, and take the child Melchizedek, who is with him. Place him in the paradise of Edem for preservation. For the time is already approaching, and I will pour out all the water onto the earth, and everything that is on the earth will perish. And I will raise it up again, and Melchizedek will be the head of the priests in that generation." And Gabriel hurried, and came flying down when it was night, and Nir was sleeping on his bed that night. Gabriel appeared to him and said to him, "Thus says The Lord: 'Nir! Restore the child to me whom I entrusted to you.' " Nir did not realize who was speaking to him and his heart was confused. And he said, "When the people find out about the child, then they will seize him and kill him, because the heart of these people are deceitful in front of The Face of The Lord." And he answered Gabriel and said, "The child is not with me, and I don't know who is speaking to me." Gabriel answered him, "Do not be frightened, Nir! I am the archangel Gabriel. The Lord sent me and behold, I shall take your child today. I will go with him and I will place him in the paradise of Edem." Nir remembered the first dream and believed it. He answered Gabriel, "Blessed be The Lord, who has sent you to me today! Now bless your servant Nir! Take the child and do to him all that has been said to you." And Gabriel took the child, Melchizedek on the same nught on his wings, and he placed him in the paradise of Edem. Nir got up in the morning, and he went into his tent and did not find the child. There was great joy and grief for Nir because had the child in place of a son. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12181572 Canada 11/30/2016 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (5) and all the fights and wars that the nations 16 of the world wrought against the people of Israel in the time of their kingdom. And I saw Messiah, son of Joseph, and his generation "and their" works and their doings that they will do against the nations of the world. And I saw Messiah, son of David, and his generation, and all the fights and wars, and their works and their doings that they will do with Israel both for good and evil. And I saw all the fights and wars that Gog and Magog will fight in the days of Messiah, and all that the Holy One, blessed be He, will do with them in the time to come. (6)And all the rest of all the leaders of the generations and all the works of the generations both in Israel and in the nations of the world, both what is done and what will be done hereafter to all generations until the end of time, (all) were graven on the Curtain of MAQOM. And I saw all these things with my eyes; and after I had seen it, I opened my mouth in praise of MAQOM (the Divine Majesty) (saying thus, Eccl. viii. 4, 5): "For the King's word hath power (and who may say unto him: What doest thou?) Whoso keepeth the commandments shall know no evil thing". And I said: (Ps. civ. 24) "O Lord, how manifold are thy works!". |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 12181572 Canada 11/30/2016 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the first excerpt about Melchezadok is from 2nd ENoch and the one about The Messiah, Son of Joseph and Son of David vs Gog Magog in the current end times is from third Enoch. All true. except for the fact that this english translation uses names like lord and god, when it shold be YAHUWAH and ALAHYM. |
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