25th Amendment Section 4 - could allow Pence Ryan to get rid of Trump

This dude made a video explaining how they use the 25th amendment section 4 to do it - constitutionally - right after inauguration


[link to www.gq.com]

section 4 of the 25th is summarised here:


[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]



The idea is that Pence could complain about some of Trump's activities; such as hid deals in India and encouraging dignitaries to stay at his hotels - and invoke section 4.

You write these things as if they would all occur in a vacuum; that the American people would simply sit-idly-by and allow it to happen. In my opinion, we would not.

Trump is the duly elected President. Unless he commits "high crimes and misdemeanors" while in office, he cannot be impeached. To use the Provisions of the 25th Amendment for what you describe would be odious, and would beget a response by the American People of a type that the government would not be accustomed.

There was some speculation, revelation, rumour that it was in fact the pence Ryan alliance that leaked the pussygate tape etc. with the presumption that this would cause Trump to resign - which of course he didn't.

If it couldn't get rid of Obama, it can't get rid of anybody.

I didn't imagine for one minute that Trump's supporters would be impressed - I am simply relating the possibility.


Something being odious does not prohibit its happening.

I don't think Obama's vice president - sorry don't know who that is - ever tried to invoke section 4... ?




If it was invoked with Trump - and if there was a silent republican revolution planned against him - then I think they now have the numbers they would need for the vote.


Not sure how it all works.

Good god, President Pence would be even worse than Trump.

Its a chat forum dude - in case you hadn't noticed or something.

Maybe when Nostradamus said the trumpet would order a costly war he was referring to Pence. Trump being the trump, but Pence being the Trumpet. Pence and Ryan then overthrow Trump, and Pence launches a war which will prove costly. Maybe the war is aimed at diverting the public, or maybe it is a civil war.

Section 4 is for incapacitation or disabling of the President and requires the Cabinet to agree.

not some deal re: people staying at hotels.

wtf happened to education in England?

The same thing that happened everywhere else. Communists took over the education system.

I don't know dude - maybe its like a misdemeanour thing - using office for personal gain or something. Its about saying the President is "unfit" for office - not that he is necessarily in a coma or something like that.

Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[24] It allows the Vice President, together with a majority of either "the principal officers of the executive departments" (i.e., the Cabinet) or of "such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President disabled by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President.

Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacitation prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President may resume exercising the Presidential duties by sending a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House.

Should the Vice President and Cabinet believe the President is still disabled, they may within four days of the President's declaration submit another declaration that the President is incapacitated. If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President while Congress deliberates.

However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Acting President and the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.

educate yourself OP

Didn't actually understand what you read, did you...

She's clearly just a chav with a 'smart' phone...

So - you're saying section 4 is completely irrelevant unless Trump is somehow physically incapacitated - is that correct?

Finally...

You bought a vowel, Vanna...

Are you absolutely sure?


:beard scratch:

Yes...

"Section 4.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

[link to www.law.cornell.edu (secure)]

and is this bit


is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,



not open to interpretation of any kind?









Because if the vice president felt he was there for personal gain and was committing misdemeanours - he might feel that he was in fact unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office...

??


And all he would have to do was say so - submit the letter and other evidence or whatever - and then if trump refuted this but the vote upheld it - he would be gone - no?

I am pretty sure there are people already saying that Trump has some psychiatric problems also - they might go from that angle...


No???

Sure it is...

It could mean he is in a coma...Or he's had a stroke and can't talk...Or.......

No...



Then he would have to be impeached...

FFS

This isn't rocket science...

The emphasis of the sentence could be leaned on: the duties of the office - meaning actions which were not duties of the office - which contradicted the duties - not dependant on trump being physically incapacitated.

Well i don't think anyone is completely certain - until it happens; if the Vice president writes a letter saying he feels trump is mentally unstable - then trump gets to refute that then it goes to a vote.

Not happening

Can you get me a drink of water please. I am thirsty.

Let her have her fantasy...

Most brits I know seem to live in one...