Gods MASTER PLAN for the VAST MAJORITY of all mankind.....ETERNAL TORTURE.

Who has the ultimate choice to believe God's Son, Jesus Christ and be saved or to reject Him, the Creator?

You do.

You have free will and free choice.

Just because God knows beforehand what you are going to choose, it doesn't mean God forced you to choose the way you did.

Just because God knew beforehand how you were going to live your life, doesn't mean God forced you to live that way.

Just because God created and set the parameters in which you will be allowed to live your life, doesn't mean God made the choices you made within those parameters.

Just because God put a tree of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden, knowing fully well His creation was going to disobey Him, didn't stop His free will for YOU to choose to disobey.

Thats the same as saying someone born with down syndrome chose to be retarded.

God might know how you would live your life and even how you were going to make the choices you did. But He wasn't there forcing you to choose the way you did.

All those choices was ALL YOU and YOU WILL answer for every choice you have made.

In Jesus Christ.

Who says they are retarded? Just because they have a learning deficiency compared to other people?

Are all the animals retarded?

If God allowed a person with down syndrome to be born, than God gave the parameters in which that person with that special need will be lived.

And only THAT down syndrome person will be held accountable for the choices he or she will make, IF God also gave that person the gift of knowing Good and Evil, which they do possess.

Does God penalize a person because that person was born with Down syndrome? No, why would He after all, He made them that way? No, what IS accountable is what that person who has down syndrome will do with his or her life, good or evil.

No one is responsible for how God had made them physically or emotionally, but each person has the knowledge of good and evil in them.

And it is what they CHOOSE to do with that knowledge that will be judged.

God does not judge a person because he is less handsome some other man or a woman less pretty.

God does not judge a person because he/she is more smart or gifted than others.

God does not judge a person because he/she has a minor or severe deformity or even was born to have a very short life.

No what God judges, is what YOU choose to do with the life He gave you and HOW you CHOSE to live it.

In Jesus Christ.

I didnt choose to be born a sinner.

How is my sin nature MY fault?

I didnt even ask to be born at all. Was never given a choice.

NO one was.

You weren't born a sinner were you? If you had never sin, would you be a sinner? But you did at some point did you?

Because you were not born a sinner but born with a SIN-NATURE, the curse that came from Adam and Eve's disobedience.

And because of this tragedy, God Himself came down from heaven in the person of His Son, Jesus Chris and hung on the cross and shed His blood for the sins YOU DID commit in your sin-nature and disobedience.

Since God was willing to give you a way out, why is it that you are not willing to take Him up at His offer?

Believe in Jesus Christ and be saved and be cleansed of the Sin-Nature you were born with.

In Jesus Christ.

Word.

Why would God want people in His heaven to live forever - who hate Him?

tract: Look Out! Mentions how most are going to hell.... [link to www.chick.com] (tract is good, but the prayer at the end is very very important!)

I don't care if you take the seed or not.

And another thing, you asked is that you weren't asked to be created?

I mean who the f**k do you think you are that the Creator should ask YOU?

Are you someone more special than God? Are you above the Creator?

What creation ask its creator why it was made? Does the earth ask God why it was created?

Does the scrub toilet brush ask its creator why it was created to scrub toilets?

Be glad that you were created at all.

Indeed, the humble will see God but the proud will burn like weed in the fire.

In Jesus Christ.

I cant fathom god torturing billions of people forever.

I cant even fathom him simply killing them.

I cannot TRUST a god with such a sadistic dark sense of ruthless revenge and slaughter...let alone LOVE a god so bent on payback.

Love does not seek its own.

Revenge and payback is SEEKING ONES OWN.

So god cant be like this..he simply CANT be.

If he is he is a liar and he CANT lie.

Oh..so now you are swearing at me and being all smug and high and mighty.

Thats why i dont go to church anymore.

Sick of the double standards.

God is not torturing anyone.

Its YOU who are torturing yourselves.

After all its you who did the crime so you should pay for it?

You chose to be apart from God and God is ALL GOOD so if you are apart from all that is Good you must dwell in fire, because you are after all created in God's image and eternal.

It absolutely doesn't matter WTF you think or want to believe.
The reality of Truth does not change for your perception of right or wrong or what you think is what should be.

God is reality. If you reject Him, then its simple, you will not be with Him and the only place that can be is the Lake of Fire.

God does not debate with mankind or anyone.
God is the AUTHOR the ALL.

He already knows all your thoughts and arguments and knows how useless it is. He has already considered every thought you could think and found it faulty, after all you couldn't even live without sin, which God has and is still doing.

You have been warned.

In Jesus Christ.

You only endanger yourself to eternal fire with your own double standard and prevent your own relationship with Jesus Christ with your rebellion.

As I have tried to get it through to you.
YOU CHOOSE.

In Jesus Christ.

He negotiated with Cain, world's first murderer. And Abraham questioned Him right to His face. Hefty precedents here.

God is evil because he doesn't pamper everyone? We have enough room on this planet to feed the entire population and take care of everyone, God provided that for us.

God doesn't need anyone. Also, I'm alright with eternal torture for those pricks who are irredeemable. You can't go around being a prick for life and not expect anything to come back at you. A loving God wouldn't allow pricks to last for so long, this is also why he capped the limit on our life span. Imagine if all those baddies throughout history could live to be a 1000 years old? Or even a billion? They would not only destroy, torture and kill others but probably blow up the world.

Another thing! Who the hell can even comprehend God's plans? Isn't that way above everyone's understanding? For all we know stepping on ants is as evil as murdering little children. We have yet to hear the true moral definition of God's vast understanding of immorality. We've just been given guidelines but not the truth. The truth is far worse than what others let it on to be.

God negotiated with Cain?
Did you even read the bible or do you habit of making shit up as you think it up, like the posts you've been posting thus far?

God had MERCY on Cain because Cain cried out to Him for mercy and God had PITY on Him.

And I don't recall exactly where Abraham questioned God right to His face as you say? Exactly where in what verse and chapter did this happen?

Which bible are you reading from?

The Bible of bullshit?

Another thing i dont get.

Jesus told us to forgive our enemies and even go one step beyond and bless them and do good for them.

Why is it he has his OWN enemies tortured or slaughtered and he curses them instead?

Is jesus a hypocrite?

If he damn well refuses to live up to what he told US so many times to do...how in the heck can he expect US to do it if HE cant?

Jesus lived a sinless life and was the only one not worthy to die, but we murdered Him anyway.

Jesus is God in the flesh and the Creator incarnate. He told us how to live a GOOD life because Jesus Christ is also the JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH and He will eventually judged all people that He made. He told us how to live to avoid being found at fault for not loving or having mercy on others.

Have you lived a life without committing ONE sin, you hypocrite?

He is not seeking His own. He is seeking for justice for His Son, who already died and went to hell for everybody's sins.

This is the part you should be incredulous at. Why should a perfect God- die for YOUR Sins? Incredible, but He did.

This is the part that is - the Great Transgression- when people refuse to believe or accept His Son's sacrifice on the cross. But say: No, I can do this with my own rational, and my own merits.

Now be quiet for indeed your mouth will wear away even the little that remains of your soul.

Yikes. In Genesis 4, when God sentences Cain to be a nomad, he complains that this is too harsh because he'll be vulnerable to vigilantes, so God marked him for some degree of protection. That totally qualifies as throwing him a bone.

Abraham questioned God in chapter 18 regarding the judgment of Sodom & Gomorrah.

This is the problem with unbelievers. They will never understand the Word of God and only endanger themselves when they read it because they have not even the basic understanding that the Holy Spirit who lives in the believer gives. Even when the Word is plain they refuse to see the Truth.

God cursed Cain for killing his brother Abel and simply allowed that curse to be carried out by not allowing anyone to kill Cain.

God did not "negotiate" in any way with Cain but simply allowed for His punishment to take its course. God could have killed Cain on the spot but He had mercy on Cain, even though Cain had committed murder.

Genesis 4:10-16

10The Lord said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. 11Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”

13Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

15But the Lord said to him, “Not soe ; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod,f east of Eden.


If pleading for the sake of the righteous people in Sodom and Gomorrah before God destroyed it is "question God to His face" then this fool does not even understand nor interpret the english language correctly.

There is no question of God on Abraham's part. Abraham knew what God was doing was due course and Sodom and Gomorrah should be destroyed, but he simply asked God to spare the city if there were righteous people in it, so that the "good" people would not die with the "bad".

In fact God did listen to Abraham and sent angels to rescue Lot's family before Sodom and Gomorrah fell.



People of God, and those of you who truly seek God. Do not listen to fools who have no knowledge of God but what little they think they have heard about this or that tidbit from the Bible. Stay away from these wolves for their punishment will be very, very grave.

Indeed have nothing to do with them.

In Jesus Christ.

If you think you are one than you have a serious readjustment coming and its going to be fatal.

Negative, I do not think I am an unbeliever. Jesus is absolutely my Lord & Savior, and I couldn't live without Him. Not sure I've bothered mentioning this before. . .