HOW does one learn ethics and morality in a secular world? | |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73065850 United States 12/25/2016 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not talking about myself. We are told by the governing elites that the "good book" is an antiquated relic of an unenlightened society. Obviously, they find their moral compass through other means. What are those means? What are their self-evident truths, how are they formed and by whom are they disseminated? |
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User ID: 70905293 United States 12/25/2016 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is generally the job of parents and guardians. Religion can reinforce these teachings, but if the parents and family are lazy, lying thieves, church isn't going to do much good. Look at the problems of the inner cities. Broken homes, nobody to instill values. It's almost impossible to overcome. It will take generations of education and patience. That's why there is a permanent welfare state. Hard to break the cycle. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69361539 United States 12/25/2016 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyway, for me morality is generally based on having been raised by people who value empathy and cultivated that part of myself and my brother throughout our childhood. I would have appreciated more cultural icons or role models, but I feel that my family y succeeded in instilling these values in a collapsing society and without any religion. This view is with me throughout my personal and professional life. If I owned a business, my conscience would dictate my decisions largely from a well developed sense of empathy.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69361539 United States 12/25/2016 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some professional decisions from a view of kindness and generosity would be reducing waste, paying a decent living wage to the workers, making an environmentally friendly product, etc. .. And if the business was wildly successful, give workers raises and bonuses. Promotions. And do something charitable. It would only make the business more attractive and successful. Imho |
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You ain't seen nothing yet! User ID: 73293864 United States 12/25/2016 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Go to Sunday School. Send kids to Sunday School. Kamala Harris is not a Natural Born Citizen. She's illegally running. Used by the Founders... Book I of The Law of Nations, Chapter XIX, § 212 (Joseph Chitty numbering) – “Citizens and natives” reads: 'The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.' 1758 Emerich de Vattel Oh' What the Hell, do I look like I want to die in some nursing home one day... America must have 4 new Constitutional Amendments... 1. Drug Tests and Mental Evaluations on all politicians and judges randomly five times per year. 2. Term Limits for Federal politicians and judges. 3. Mental and health standards for Supreme Court Justices and retirement age set. 4. A 'Star Chamber' of elected Natural Born Citizens (no attorney's) to ivestigate, try, and prosecute the politicians and government employee's as they see fit. Mandatory death penalty by public hanging is the merciful sentence for pedos and their associates. Democrats are a WMD, literally. Let Justice Be Done Though The Heavens Fall. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73668909 United States 12/25/2016 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All humans are delusional as fuck. I avoid them as much as possible. Parents preachers politicians and professors all 4 are completely full of shit. & we're all in 1 of those 4 categories. So have fun. My buddys grandma told him half the fun of being alive is being full of shit. I have yet to meet or hear of an honest person. So tell fart jokes about my anus juice. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 45908470 United Kingdom 12/25/2016 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Morals have nothing to do with gods. The religious get their morals because the consequences are indoctrinated into their mindset from birth. They are "moral" because of fear. The non religious are moral because it's the right thing to be. Furthermore, the incredible wealth enjoyed by many religions is the result of unadulterated greed. The Church Of England, for example is fabulously wealthy, and represents the rampant hypocrisy shown by the god squad. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55420424 United States 12/25/2016 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Morals have nothing to do with gods. The religious get their morals because the consequences are indoctrinated into their mindset from birth. They are "moral" because of fear. The non religious are moral because it's the right thing to be. Furthermore, the incredible wealth enjoyed by many religions is the result of unadulterated greed. The Church Of England, for example is fabulously wealthy, and represents the rampant hypocrisy shown by the god squad. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72864827 United States 12/25/2016 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most corporations are known to screw their employees, destroy the environment, and sell poorly made crap. Reputations are earned. Of course there must be some exceptions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69361539 But where should the CEO's turn to find the moral foundation to run their businesses? If not taught in schools, modern culture or public institutions, from where do the gain this knowledge of what is moral and ethical? Let's say I'm a CEO of a large company. What reference material could you direct me to to find this knowledge? |
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User ID: 73221749 Canada 12/25/2016 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My grandfather who was an athiest until his old age and an experience he had during a trip to Israel late in life, was the kindest, most principled caring, man on earth. Never met his like since. 1/1 billion. Soul level is one thing, and intelligence, and deep thinking, but soul grade is the reason. It's soul. And many lifetimes. And not buying what you read even whole bible, questioning everything and going within. The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
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User ID: 70539980 United States 12/25/2016 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone knows what right and wrong is. Don't let them get away with shit. People do what they do because they want to do so. If they mess up, they will pay for those actions. There's more good people in this world and the time is coming when they stand up as one. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73255609 Netherlands 12/25/2016 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So I hear so often, with respect to business (corporations), the term "greed" being applied to the ownership. Although how this alleged greed actually manifests itself in terms of policy is rarely defined, the term is nonetheless used to cast judgment upon a business as operating in a less than ethical manner, of course due to those at the top exercising their greed, apathy or the like. Yet, when I look at society, everywhere I see absolutes replaced with moral and ethical relativism. The tenets of organized religion have been expunged from public discourse, from our schools, media and entertainment, leaving a void. There is no longer the simplistic "good guy" in the white hat and "bad guy" in the black hat. Nowhere from earliest childhood are the concepts of ethics and morality set forth as standards that our children are supposed to emulate for the sake of the civil society. In their place are malleable dogmas of condemnation for inappropriate thought or behavior but those dogmas remain in constant flux and are based on nothing but the fashionable whims of the day. They are rooted in nothingness, no foundational principles. My question is, how is a business person expected to behave in a manner that is considered "moral" and "ethic" when instruction of those virtues are to be found nowhere in secular society. What is the moral argument that greed is wrong and what is it based on? Is that basis solid or fluid? Is that standard across the board or selective in who or what it applies to? Please someone explain the foundational basis of secular morality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73065850 TL;DR Please use paragraphs and plenty of white space. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73120553 United States 12/25/2016 06:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Morals have nothing to do with gods. The religious get their morals because the consequences are indoctrinated into their mindset from birth. They are "moral" because of fear. The non religious are moral because it's the right thing to be. Why is it the right thing to be? Judged by what standard? To say something is right or wrong, it must be compared against an existing standard. Can that standard change over time or is it always the same? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73196892 United States 12/25/2016 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It used to be that concepts such as ethics and morality were taught and modeled by parents and other family members, as well as by our spiritual role models at church, at school, and in the community. Some of us even had neighbors who would kick our ass if need be. hehe. Starting back in the 60s and 70s, etc, many positive things were removed from school, (prayer, mention of God etc), and later on they removed PE and other classes, with less time to relax as well. Kids were pushed harder to excel. Many kids going thru these changes at school, also experienced families no longer attending church. Cost of living also skyrocketed in those days, with many families needing a second income to survive. Many kids were planted with babysitters or stayed home alone for the first time in their life. Growing up, many kids had less and less contact with those who had the time and/or knowledge to teach them ethics and morality and other important concepts. Looking back at the progression of how things slid downhill.. it sure seems that communities everywhere in the USA were hit from nearly every direction, to undermine and destroy nearly everyone in nearly every way. :7doom-plantsIN7: . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73120553 United States 12/26/2016 08:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | exactly ! ... if you live by the golden rule, you satisfy yourself, god and man ... it is never too late, to do the right thing But what makes the Golden Rule moral and ethical? Obviously, many people don't abide by it. Many people live by "survival of the fittest". What makes one rule superior to the other and who is the judge? |