Russia's New Battle Tank: T-14 Armata

Dasvedanya.

I know that GLP has an English only rule.

But that's what the Russian Drago said to Rocky Balboa in the movie.

I thought it was funny.

However, if the airspace is still contested (or there's enemy air-superiority), tanks will be toast no matter how advanced they are.

T-14s are produced in small numbers and Russians will never have a decisive air-superiority. The latter was the NATO response to overwhelming size of the Warsaw Pact tank armies during the Cold War. Taking control of the air and ripping the armored columns to shreds with A-10s and Apaches (and, of course, tactical nukes and nuclear mines in the Fulda gap and elsewhere).

Russia already has first strike capability and the West is not aware.

Russia will win.

The new Russian planes blow all western planes into bits. They're 20 years ahead of F-22 not to mention obsolete F-18 Super Hornets or the defunct F-35.

Thank you.

Putin can hold back and wait for Trump instead of responding to Obama's provocations, because he knows Russian military reigns supreme.

Russia strong!

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Really? And you know this, because...? Admit it. It's just your fantasy.

Russia doesn't even have a version of the f22. They cant build one.

The Su35 is their answer the F15 Eagle finally. 30 yrs later...

That poster is clueless.

Indeed.

F-22 really is astonishing and nothing in Russia can get even close to its performance. As a consequence, however, Russia can produce more of their most advanced planes and if it comes to a long slogging match, that's a definitive advantage to it. A bit like T-34s vs. latest Panther and Tiger models in WWII.

Of course, one can also speculate that Su35 and F-22 are only a show for the public, and that black project planes/drones/swarms are decades ahead, but that's just idle speculation until we see it.

Last Edited by Dr. Moran on 01/19/2017 04:59 AM

what?

lol...

you are dreaming, russia has nothing to combat the f22 and f35.

the su35 isnt produced anymore, too expensive for russia, its a show off plane.

The armata can also be converted to 100% automated making it a drone tank or AI robot tank.

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There's a lot of ways to look at it tactically.

The F22 can take out multiple SU35 if used as designed. It's not a dog fighter like the F15 after all. That's what ppl don't understand about the F22. It's an air superiority fighter. Something ppl don't understand the meaning of and Russia doesn't have.

Hell no one has but us really. China has a knock off that doesn't have near the capability. The superior radar and stealth abilities as well as its jamming and comms array really make it nothing like anything in the sky.

If the Armata can be become reliable for Russia it could become formidable and even dominant. I wonder how it fairs against the A10 warthog and F22's anti-tank abilities. Not to mention the F35's if that piece of shit ever gets lined out like the F22's problems finally did.

What I mean is I wonder the wisdom behind Tanks in a gloves off no holds barred modern war. Would we even get engaged in old school tank battles or just use air strike and other modern tactics to neutralize them.

Last Edited by Merit on 01/19/2017 05:14 AM

I give zero fucks about anything rumored that Russia is making or working on.

You wouldn't either if you were being honest with yourself.

They have been telling ghost stories about super weapons that never happen or they can't make work since the beginning of the modern war age.

It doesn't exist until it's finished, if it gets finished and then you are on to Russias neXT common problem. Practicality and reliability.

Drone yes. AI no. They don't have AI tanks man come on lol. It could be used like a sentry gun maybe.

I don't mind giving Russia credit where it is do but there is so much bullshit out there generated by their propaganda super weapons nonsense they've always done with weapons it's hard to have a conversation about it with some ppl.

Last Edited by Merit on 01/19/2017 05:28 AM

In order to fully capitalize on your advanced tanks, you need to lock down the airspace above the battleground. Either with planes or with airspace dominating surface-to-air missile systems. No ifs and buts there. If your enemy can fly, your tanks will not survive.

AFAIK, your A10s are being / have been mothballed and I think that's a serious mistake. I, for one, would love it if our airforce bought your A10s. They're exactly what we need after we signed the Ottawa treaty that made us give up our huge landmine arsenal meant for the eastern border. Rugged, armored and slow-flying, most likely capable of using highways as landing strips (=our means of dispersing our planes). Designed to shred tanks to bits.

I know the current thinking is that the modern anti-aircraft systems make a low and slow flying non-stealthy plane completely obsolete. Yet, they're the kind of a reliable, economic, low-tech "flying tank" you'd need for CAS and anti-tank operations in a no-holds barred rolling battle. The people who think MANPADS and systems like S400 make it possible to lock down the airspace don't understand the chaos of battle. I'm sure S400 is a formidable system, but it's delicate, complex and takes time and skill to operate (i.e. you can't just put a conscript in one), and it does nothing to lift the fog of war.

Of course, unless you have total air-superiority, you need advanced fighters to escort them, but that's just it. You need planes for all kinds of roles. Trying to make one plane a jack-of-all-trades is silly.

Right. Basically a tank battle only works to defend something inside an already completely shielded from airstrike air space. Making the old school tank fights basically obsolete. At least against an army with a modern airforce. They could work well to defend a base though or against a lesser foe.

We still have some A10's but they no longer build them. The F22 and F35 were meant to replace them.

Our air force is basically built on the concept we have the F15 Eagle which is virtually undefeated after hundreds of dogfights and engagements and constantly upgraded as well as the F16 and F18 for quick strike bombing runs and dog fighting as well.

Then the F22 and F35 were meant to fill a niche role as battle field comm/stealth fighter/communication jammers/ground control with their hover and slow speed maneuverability.

An extremely ambitious goal obviously.

I agree we should have kept the A10 in production until these new toys were better developed and field tested.

No. They're beyond just working on them. They're finished and have already been produced.

They exist now.

When they go to the yearly air competitions and don't get blown out by the competition then they're legit. I've learned my lesson with Russian prototypes.

Last Edited by Merit on 01/19/2017 05:55 AM

Here's a video of the new jet fighter in flight



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The problem for the Russians is that they gave a dozen of these tanks to Ukraine, before the overthrow of the democratically elected government there, and now Ukraine can give all the specifications and details about it to the U.S.


What were they thinking?


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Ukraine is the only country in the world outside of Russia that has them.

Perhaps they have some lower-level export variant, but I do not know that for certain.

It is superior to our tank. We are still using the same tanks from like 30 years ago. Thanks Clinton and Bush.