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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79989141 United States 02/11/2021 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Daily water data for Oroville Dam including reservoir height and storage: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79096761 [link to cdec.water.ca.gov (secure)] thanks I used to watch this... why does it show RAIN in amounts of 5.84 to 9.6 all of January? does not compute. thats a lot of rain. That is the seasonal total (July 1 - June 30). Average season total in the Oroville area is about 30". I thinks DWR 'water year' start October. So dry last year! My skin crinkle like mummy. [link to cdec.water.ca.gov (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78573746 United States 03/04/2021 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Quoting: Crunch62 IT IS TWO THIRDS FULL AND AT 80% OF ITS HISTORICAL AVERAGE. LOOK AT THE DAILY CHART ...NONE OF THE OTHER ONES ARE THAT LOW! THE DAMMED DAM IS NOT SAFE..THEY KNOW IT ..AT ANY SPEED..LIKE RALPH NADER SAID!.... 53% FULL AND 73% OF HISTORICAL AVERAGE! GOOD DATA PAGE..UH. |
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User ID: 79989141 United States 03/09/2021 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Millie's video reminded me of an interesting question someone had about these maps after the 2017 fiasco. Wasn't traffic out of the area pretty much at a standstill for hours? I would like to see emergency inundation maps showing average speed expected on escape routes - like 2 mph for an hour - vs. time it takes for that section of highway to be under a foot of water = impassible for most traffic. Yeah, you can drive in a foot of water, providing you have x-ray vision to see the road, debris, etc. *and* every other driver in front of you has x-ray vision *and the traffic is even moving. Fact is that these inundation maps come with other extremely non-public information showing exactly that, i.e. nearly everyone who leaves downtown Oroville an hour before a catastrophic failure will end up drowning in their car two hours later while stuck in traffic a few miles up or down Hwy. 77 or 19 or whatever. That's a government-only (DWR) secret. Either that, or .gov is really are that dim-witted (a distinct possibility). I think it's perfectly within CA residents' rights to know if they're better off just dying at home with grandma if they get a last-minute warning that Oroville is probably gonna blow. Not saying Honea or anybody did anything wrong last time, but it's a damn simple exercise to show people how impossible it *could* be to escape the water in a truly catastrophic breach if everyone leaves at once. I can't imagine how terrifying it must have been for someone stuck on the highway back in 2017 with their kids. The inundation maps are *worst case* for a catastrophic breach specifically for emergency planning. If your emergency plan is so simple-minded to ignore the worst-case 100% guaranteed massive traffic jams which did and will happen, then your plan sucks. If nothing else, people can decide way ahead of time to get out of town if there's some kind of dam 'issues'. I'm sure people will next time anyway, but geeze... throw the taxpaying little peeps a bone here. Where's the you will surely die zones? Why are politicians and DWR engineers the only ones with access to that secret info? |
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User ID: 80039045 United States 03/13/2021 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Millie's video reminded me of an interesting question someone had about these maps after the 2017 fiasco. Wasn't traffic out of the area pretty much at a standstill for hours? I would like to see emergency inundation maps showing average speed expected on escape routes - like 2 mph for an hour - vs. time it takes for that section of highway to be under a foot of water = impassible for most traffic. Yeah, you can drive in a foot of water, providing you have x-ray vision to see the road, debris, etc. *and* every other driver in front of you has x-ray vision *and the traffic is even moving. Quoting: PavewayIV Fact is that these inundation maps come with other extremely non-public information showing exactly that, i.e. nearly everyone who leaves downtown Oroville an hour before a catastrophic failure will end up drowning in their car two hours later while stuck in traffic a few miles up or down Hwy. 77 or 19 or whatever. That's a government-only (DWR) secret. Either that, or .gov is really are that dim-witted (a distinct possibility). I think it's perfectly within CA residents' rights to know if they're better off just dying at home with grandma if they get a last-minute warning that Oroville is probably gonna blow. Not saying Honea or anybody did anything wrong last time, but it's a damn simple exercise to show people how impossible it *could* be to escape the water in a truly catastrophic breach if everyone leaves at once. I can't imagine how terrifying it must have been for someone stuck on the highway back in 2017 with their kids. The inundation maps are *worst case* for a catastrophic breach specifically for emergency planning. If your emergency plan is so simple-minded to ignore the worst-case 100% guaranteed massive traffic jams which did and will happen, then your plan sucks. If nothing else, people can decide way ahead of time to get out of town if there's some kind of dam 'issues'. I'm sure people will next time anyway, but geeze... throw the taxpaying little peeps a bone here. Where's the you will surely die zones? Why are politicians and DWR engineers the only ones with access to that secret info? The same thing happened in 1997 when areas downstream were evacuated due to the fear the emergency spillway would be overtopped. My boss and his family were trying to leave Yuba City west on Hwy 20, but traffic was at a virtual standstill. He had experienced the Yuba City flood of 1955 as a child and knew what the outcome could be. In 1955, he and his brother were watching out the back window of the car at the water coming down the street as his dad was flooring it trying to get out of Dodge. Note that in 1997, downstream areas were given evacuation orders nearly 24 hours BEFORE the emergency spillway would have overtopped, not AFTER it had, as in 2017. This is a very important point. Also note the new 'flood evacuation zones' that were created in 2017. Where I live in the community of Honcut, 12-15 miles south of the dam, we are in zone 10. The fastest and most direct route to high ground from here is due east on Lower Honcut Rd. to La Porte Rd. High ground is less than two miles away via that route. However, the Butte County evacuation instructions for zone 10 tell us to head NORTH (toward a potentially failing dam and floodwater) to Palermo or Oroville (10+ miles). Why? Because Butte County knows that Lower Honcut Rd. east of Honcut is regularly flooded and closed in the wet season. The section of road that floods is a few hundred feet long. It is not miles and miles. In the 35 years I have lived here, Butte County has done NOTHING to fix this road, other than installing gates to make it easier for them to close the road. So, instead of raising the road using some box culverts and fill rock, Butte County wants us to evacuate TOWARD the floodwater. Fuck them. Not doing it. I've been married so long, I don't even look both ways when I cross the street. |
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