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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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SHE HAD THE BABY BUT HAS LOST UH LOT OF BLOOD. NO JOKE. CAPMAN
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Thanks for the heads up. Prayers sent.

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IT SEEMS TO ME THAT....
ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS MAINTAIN A LIL' CAMERA FEED OR TWO AND
'WE' WOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO SQUAWK UH-BOUT. LOOK AT IT UH,
THAT WAY. THEY DONT WANT CAMERAS ON THE GATES OR LOOKIN AT THE
WHET/GREEN SPOT(S). CAMERAS WOULD ONLY SHOW REALITY. IT'S BAD~
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YO CRUNCH..LOTS OF Q'S ON PREVIOUS PAGE AND STUFF WORTH READIN
ON 1477. IT GETTIN SCRAPPY HERE BUT, THERE'S STILL DECENT UH,
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What happens at 813 feet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83276998


That is when the water in the reservoir reaches the level of the bottom of the spillway gates.

Typically, that is when the gates begin leaking.

Juan Browne the clown has publicly stated that the Oroville spillway gate seals are 'metal on metal' and are 'designed to leak'. This is utter fiction.

Each gate has rubber seals on all four sides. The bottom seal is a bulb-type seal that is compressed by the weight of the gate.

Both sides and the top of each gate have inflatable seals that are pressurized using water from the reservoir.

Unfortunately, the gate structure that supports the gates has settled and racked, so the the openings the the rectangular gates occupy are no longer rectangular. This causes the gates to bind and the seals to fail.

Some repairs were supposedly completed over the past year. We'll soon know if they were effective.
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AND 'I' THINK THAT SOME OF THIS LEAKING IN AND AROUND THE GATES IS GOING..INSIDE THE DAM. BUT, THAT'S JUST ME. CAPMAN.
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I believe you are correct.

The racking of the gate structure is due to subsidence at the eastern end. This would account for the 'road gap' covered extensively earlier in this thread.

Subsidence due to water infiltration, which would also account for the recurring spillway seepage on the eastern side.

Personally, I believe the infiltration is coming from the intakes for the second power plant that was never built. They are right in the same vicinity and were supposedly plugged when the second power plant was cancelled.

Right at the abutment of the dam next to the spillway. They are visible at low water levels.

If water is infiltrating in that area, it could very well be going elsewhere within the dam structure itself.
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TOP O DA HOUR OF POWUH.
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Why is this pinned? It's literally a retard convention. Here's one of their distinguished leaders.
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join us for OUR 6TH ANNIVERSARY ON FEB. 6TH EVERYBODY! DHOOM..
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The "solid rock foundation" upon which the spillway is built is just a set of 3 earthquake faults.

Now why have those early pix showing the construction and the faults all disappeared?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75300269


I have been looking for construction photos I had seen previously of the prep work for the spillway structure.

Earthmoving equipment simply compacting dirt into the voids between the rock under the spillway structure. Right in the same area where the spillway deck collapsed. I can't seem to find those photos now.

I'll keep looking.
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MISSING ANYTHING CRUNCH?
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77652744


Oroville Dam 'Needs Assessment' reports from DWR in recent years with pages of redacted - blacked out information.

DWR statements that the 'gates are fine and don't need repairs'. Repairs now in progress. WTF.

New road bypassing the spillway bridge to access the boat ramp. That road now closed due to rising water, so access is again via the spillway bridge. Mandatory CHP inpections of all vehicles using the bridge 'for security purposes'. WTF.

Deactivation of the spillway cameras. Deactivation of those photographing the spillway and gate structure. WTF.

Extreme sensitivity regarding the spillway and gate structure. WTF.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Are you purposely being stupid? Because its hard to believe anyone is naturally this dumb.

Remember 9/11/01? Remember how you could fly out of an airport without getting groped? Or drive across sensitive infrastructure without being inspected? Until the CHP starts confiscating cameras and checking your browser history for this thread, its a safe assumption they are monitoring a high value infrastructure target for bombs and the like.

Who is this idiot who pretends to be an expert on this stuff? He's really just talking out of his ass continuously.
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Of course I remember 9-11-01.

I also remember driving across the Oroville spillway for many years afterward without any 'enhanced security' BS.

In fact, these 'security concerns' didn't materialize until the spillway came apart and attracted attention to the flaws and shoddy maintenance at the site.

One can still drive across many 'high value infrastructure' sites in this state without garnering CHP inspection.

Would you conside the Golden Gate Bridge to be 'high value infrastructure'? I would.

Is CHP running bomb-sniffing dogs around every vehicle that crosses it?

No.

Your glowing is showing.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77652744


Oroville Dam 'Needs Assessment' reports from DWR in recent years with pages of redacted - blacked out information.

DWR statements that the 'gates are fine and don't need repairs'. Repairs now in progress. WTF.

New road bypassing the spillway bridge to access the boat ramp. That road now closed due to rising water, so access is again via the spillway bridge. Mandatory CHP inpections of all vehicles using the bridge 'for security purposes'. WTF.

Deactivation of the spillway cameras. Deactivation of those photographing the spillway and gate structure. WTF.

Extreme sensitivity regarding the spillway and gate structure. WTF.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Are you purposely being stupid? Because its hard to believe anyone is naturally this dumb.

Remember 9/11/01? Remember how you could fly out of an airport without getting groped? Or drive across sensitive infrastructure without being inspected? Until the CHP starts confiscating cameras and checking your browser history for this thread, its a safe assumption they are monitoring a high value infrastructure target for bombs and the like.

Who is this idiot who pretends to be an expert on this stuff? He's really just talking out of his ass continuously.
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Of course I remember 9-11-01.

I also remember driving across the Oroville spillway for many years afterward without any 'enhanced security' BS.

In fact, these 'security concerns' didn't materialize until the spillway came apart and attracted attention to the flaws and shoddy maintenance at the site.

One can still drive across many 'high value infrastructure' sites in this state without garnering CHP inspection.

Would you conside the Golden Gate Bridge to be 'high value infrastructure'? I would.

Is CHP running bomb-sniffing dogs around every vehicle that crosses it?

No.

Your glowing is showing.
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You're as long winded as you are stupid. Many people pass over the golden gate. There is no real destination going over the dam. You'd think after being wrong so many times you'd shut your mouth but it actually just emboldens you.
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Oroville Dam 'Needs Assessment' reports from DWR in recent years with pages of redacted - blacked out information.

DWR statements that the 'gates are fine and don't need repairs'. Repairs now in progress. WTF.

New road bypassing the spillway bridge to access the boat ramp. That road now closed due to rising water, so access is again via the spillway bridge. Mandatory CHP inpections of all vehicles using the bridge 'for security purposes'. WTF.

Deactivation of the spillway cameras. Deactivation of those photographing the spillway and gate structure. WTF.

Extreme sensitivity regarding the spillway and gate structure. WTF.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Are you purposely being stupid? Because its hard to believe anyone is naturally this dumb.

Remember 9/11/01? Remember how you could fly out of an airport without getting groped? Or drive across sensitive infrastructure without being inspected? Until the CHP starts confiscating cameras and checking your browser history for this thread, its a safe assumption they are monitoring a high value infrastructure target for bombs and the like.

Who is this idiot who pretends to be an expert on this stuff? He's really just talking out of his ass continuously.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80461679


Of course I remember 9-11-01.

I also remember driving across the Oroville spillway for many years afterward without any 'enhanced security' BS.

In fact, these 'security concerns' didn't materialize until the spillway came apart and attracted attention to the flaws and shoddy maintenance at the site.

One can still drive across many 'high value infrastructure' sites in this state without garnering CHP inspection.

Would you conside the Golden Gate Bridge to be 'high value infrastructure'? I would.

Is CHP running bomb-sniffing dogs around every vehicle that crosses it?

No.

Your glowing is showing.
 Quoting: Crunch62


You're as long winded as you are stupid. Many people pass over the golden gate. There is no real destination going over the dam. You'd think after being wrong so many times you'd shut your mouth but it actually just emboldens you.
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LOL. Yes, many people pass over the Golden Gate. It is an internationally recognized symbol of the USA (as were the NY towers). It carries a highway of major importance for commuters and commerce. It is a prime terrorist target.

Yet, it does not carry the same CHP scrutiny as a puny little bridge taking Jim-Bob and Bubba to their favorite bass fishing hole.

I'd like to have an intelligent conversation about this if you could ditch the insults, but apparently you can't.

It is all you've got.
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TOP O DA HOUR OF POWUH.
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809.04

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INFLOW UP TO 5114
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Why is this pinned? It's literally a retard convention. Here's one of their distinguished leaders.
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join us for OUR 6TH ANNIVERSARY ON FEB. 6TH EVERYBODY! DHOOM..
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The "solid rock foundation" upon which the spillway is built is just a set of 3 earthquake faults.

Now why have those early pix showing the construction and the faults all disappeared?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75300269


I have been looking for construction photos I had seen previously of the prep work for the spillway structure.

Earthmoving equipment simply compacting dirt into the voids between the rock under the spillway structure. Right in the same area where the spillway deck collapsed. I can't seem to find those photos now.

I'll keep looking.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Try this if you have all day:

[link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]

post #7 is a video of original construction. Post #44 says:

The last 15-20 seconds of this PR video shows the lake level at the very top of the inlet walls to the main spillway and the discharge flowing so high that it appears to overtop the spillway side walls just down hill from the gates.

The damage may have started from this publicity stunt near the time of the dam's completion.

Post 16, old cracks.

#22, old postcard and discussion of darker area all the way back then follows.

49- is this the picture you wanted? 2011: "I think there's evidence that the ES experienced very minor flow during the Jun 2011 high pool event. Open this image full size and check out all of the debris sitting on the downstream side of the ES weir, which matches the color of deposits at the extreme left of the image on the reservoir side. The image is from 26 Jun 2011:

I agree, looks like it got half an inch or so over. Minor erosion, and the water probably just went through the drainage channel under the road."

72/77 old historic photos. Don't miss these. Shots with bedrock, and the 2017 failure appears to be in between two sections of bedrock.

Lots of discussion of tree roots interspersed.

more here: blueprints, early models, geology. I don't have time now but want to come back to this.

[link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]
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join us for OUR 6TH ANNIVERSARY ON FEB. 6TH EVERYBODY! DHOOM..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77652744


The "solid rock foundation" upon which the spillway is built is just a set of 3 earthquake faults.

Now why have those early pix showing the construction and the faults all disappeared?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75300269


I have been looking for construction photos I had seen previously of the prep work for the spillway structure.

Earthmoving equipment simply compacting dirt into the voids between the rock under the spillway structure. Right in the same area where the spillway deck collapsed. I can't seem to find those photos now.

I'll keep looking.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Try this if you have all day:

[link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]

post #7 is a video of original construction. Post #44 says:

The last 15-20 seconds of this PR video shows the lake level at the very top of the inlet walls to the main spillway and the discharge flowing so high that it appears to overtop the spillway side walls just down hill from the gates.

The damage may have started from this publicity stunt near the time of the dam's completion.

Post 16, old cracks.

#22, old postcard and discussion of darker area all the way back then follows.

49- is this the picture you wanted? 2011: "I think there's evidence that the ES experienced very minor flow during the Jun 2011 high pool event. Open this image full size and check out all of the debris sitting on the downstream side of the ES weir, which matches the color of deposits at the extreme left of the image on the reservoir side. The image is from 26 Jun 2011:

I agree, looks like it got half an inch or so over. Minor erosion, and the water probably just went through the drainage channel under the road."

72/77 old historic photos. Don't miss these. Shots with bedrock, and the 2017 failure appears to be in between two sections of bedrock.

Lots of discussion of tree roots interspersed.

more here: blueprints, early models, geology. I don't have time now but want to come back to this.

[link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Prayandprepare000


Yes, #77 is a good representation of what I was referring to. Dirt infill between the 'competent rock' areas.


#49...you can see there is a chain link fence and gate over the ES weir near the western end. I assume this was installed to keep people from playing on it.

During the 2017 overtopping, video shows this fence was trapping logs and debris, causing a heavy stream of water directed at the ground below the weir. I believe this was a major contributor to the undercutting erosion that prompted the evacuations. A stupid fence.
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So what are we talking? Two more weeks?
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Well they closed the checkbook on the spillway for now, must be setting up for more funding….


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GOTZ DA PINE AGAIN. MAKIN SOME NEWS. UH.
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VERY IMPORTANT. TROLLZ WILL GET KILLED HERE. UH,CAPMAN. CAPS.
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UH I JUST WHENT THERE AND MADE AN ASS OF MUSELF USING UH CAPMAN STYLE. ANYONE CAN UH HACK UR ACCOUNT JACKAZS. UH. CAPS.
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Can someone explain what is going on with the CAPs? I don't know which one is the real one, or why he talks like that and says UH all the time?

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BATTEEY CURRENRLY 13.4 volts UH
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INFLOWZ DOWN TO 5,591. DHOOM DELAYED JOEY. UH. CAPS.
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Can someone explain what is going on with the CAPs? I don't know which one is the real one, or why he talks like that and says UH all the time?

1dunno1
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UH, IM THE 'REAL' ONE. WE'VE PICKED UP TROLLS HERE OVER THE YEARS. THEY COME AN GO. UH,CAPMAN. I'VE BEEN USING UH AND OTHER TRADEMARKS AND/OR MONIKERS FOR AWILE NOW ON GULP. THE
'UH' GOES BACK TO AN OLD FED. EX COMMERCIAL..I THINK. UH,CAPS.
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LEVEL UP 0.93 FEET IN LAST 24 HRS
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Can someone explain what is going on with the CAPs? I don't know which one is the real one, or why he talks like that and says UH all the time?

1dunno1
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UH, IM THE 'REAL' ONE. WE'VE PICKED UP TROLLS HERE OVER THE YEARS. THEY COME AN GO. UH,CAPMAN. I'VE BEEN USING UH AND OTHER TRADEMARKS AND/OR MONIKERS FOR AWILE NOW ON GULP. THE
'UH' GOES BACK TO AN OLD FED. EX COMMERCIAL..I THINK. UH,CAPS.
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Thanks. I don't really get it, but I do get the fact that you are accepted here. I will remember 2744 to try to keep it straight..





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