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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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INFLOWS 35K

OUTFLOWS 35,750-ISH

RAIN NOW 32.49..LET'S CALL IT FIDDY, JOEY. UH,CAPMAN. LORD'C'!
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Over the last 24 hours lake elevation has decreased 1.56 feet to 858.13 feet and current available reservoir storage stands at 581,104 acre-feet. Current inflows of 25,819 cfs and outflows of 35,938 are inline with other numbers from today.
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...
Shakecast sends emails, and provides some public data. The stuff we see as the public is VERY generalized.

In some cases ithey're hardly any different than the DYFI measures.
...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


Agree - it's still useful to people. I think Japan's system tries to warn a few seconds before impending quakes. Not sure how accurate or dependable that part is, but that would be useful in earthquake-prone areas.


What Oroville and inundation area residents need to see on a regular basis are the Shakecast data specific to Oroville. Because each EVENT - whether near or far, if it registers, does impact the dam.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


Now that's just crazy-talk. It's all DWR can do to announce releases. And we already know their answer to any event affecting the dam: "Everything is fine. Nothing to see here. Move along"

The impact of the releases could also register tremors we do not see on USGS public sites that would be taken into account.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


...which is why we never see them on the USGS site to begin with, or why the ORO seismogram is always miscalibrated, turned down to a useless level of sensitivity or just turned off.

These cast maps need to be made public. People would be able to see what sort of impact an event caused to the dam, and if impactful, especially many events over time, can lobby for safety inspections to be done and use the cast maps as evidence.
...

Shakecast needs to implement these.

But the "dam" people in charge would have to push for that.


...

And why is this not being done and if being done, why is it not being made available to the people who would be impacted.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


But blind, deaf and dumb tax cattle citizens are the best. Why ruin that? Public-demanded inspections would be nice, but the public are all potential terrorists and need to be treated as such.

DWR hasn't ever and would never allow any peons to see inspection results - they're CEII state secrets.

Besides, making the dam's problems known publicly means the people would demand DWR *do* something about them. Do you realize how inconvenient, costly and time-consuming it is to fix dam problems? It's like expecting the DWR to saw their own arms off. Why would they DO that? DWR are water mafia investment grifters and government-owned water allocators.

Dam problems are deniable to the ignorant and can always be fixed by some other poor DWR schmuck in the future.

DWR loves the situation exactly like it is now:

"Everything is fine."
"If you don't like the way we do things, tough s#&*%, we're the government."
"Go cry on GLP because we really don't care."
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It kind of IS available to the public on the USGS earthquake ShakeMap sections (provided earthquake is significant and in the U.S.). ShakeCast is just the broadcast system that send this data out near-real time to disaster response agencies. The same information comes up within minutes on the USGS site ShakeMap sections of recent earthquakes.

1975 Oroville (Palermo) M5.2 - tabs for PGA, PGV and PSA (older version of software, but pretty detailed): [link to earthquake.usgs.gov (secure)]
That was a pretty significant earthquake within a few miles of the dam, so they spent a lot of time inspecting everything back then and claimed the dam was fine.

Did you mean you wanted to see how the Ecuador earthquake affected Oroville Dam? It took ten minutes for the P-wave to even reach the Oroville seismometer and that's the only thing that would have sensed it. Way beyond human or animal range of perception, just like other large earthquakes outside of North America.
 Quoting: PavewayIV


Personally it seems more likely that the earthquake on the quoted chart was this one: [link to scedc.caltech.edu (secure)] down near the Salton Sea.
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Over the last 24 hours lake elevation has decreased 1.56 feet to 858.13 feet and current available reservoir storage stands at 581,104 acre-feet. Current inflows of 25,819 cfs and outflows of 35,938 are inline with other numbers from today.
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DIS DHUDZ TRYIN' TA TAKE M-UH JHOB-E-JOB.. GHOOD 4U, 'JACK'!UH
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Shut up you retard loser. They were probably hoping you wouldn't continue to spam the thread with your self quotes and gibberish.

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Feather River Watershed Maps

A couple of links to good Feather River Watershed maps so people can see the land area that feeds water into the Oroville Reservoir. (sorry I can't figure out how to imbed these into a post here)

[link to featherriverorg.alias.strangecode.com]


[link to www.usgs.gov (secure)]
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"The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson

We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family!
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Feather River Watershed Maps

A couple of links to good Feather River Watershed maps so people can see the land area that feeds water into the Oroville Reservoir. (sorry I can't figure out how to imbed these into a post here)

[link to featherriverorg.alias.strangecode.com]


[link to www.usgs.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77374864


AND

A two Snow Zone maps for the watershed due to the HIGH snow amounts this year:
One 5000' and above
One 6000' and above

[link to featherriverorg.alias.strangecode.com]
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lmao, now Orotards, realizing the Dd is in fact fine, and that the spewway IS WORKING PERFECTLY (in spite of their delusional ignorance about concrete) and that this storms are nowhere near record flows,
have made the neceesary leap of false logic to posit that an earthquake is eminent!

doesnt matter that erfqwaks are unheard of in horrorville, doesnt matter that there are no active faults..

your only chance orotards, an erfqwak…

Needles to say, an erfqwak under any dam will likely likely destroy, especially the ones not built as well as Oro

i especially love the delusional retards who think they see some cavitation “in the corners” omg you ignorant cretins, cavitation is microscopic and cannot be seen..
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Thanks for the laugh.

Cavitation is microscopic, eh?

Yes, like neutrons are. Until you get trillions of them exploding a nuclear bomb.

This guy can't be our DWR troll. Even he would not post such an idiotic comment.
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Feather River Watershed Maps

A couple of links to good Feather River Watershed maps so people can see the land area that feeds water into the Oroville Reservoir. (sorry I can't figure out how to imbed these into a post here)

[link to featherriverorg.alias.strangecode.com]


[link to www.usgs.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77374864


AND

A two Snow Zone maps for the watershed due to the HIGH snow amounts this year:
One 5000' and above
One 6000' and above

[link to featherriverorg.alias.strangecode.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77374864


Finally a California Reservoir Level map
Shows how full ALL the large California Rervoirs were on March 19th 2023.

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov (secure)]
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"The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson

We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family!
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...
Shakecast sends emails, and provides some public data. The stuff we see as the public is VERY generalized.

In some cases ithey're hardly any different than the DYFI measures.
...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


Agree - it's still useful to people. I think Japan's system tries to warn a few seconds before impending quakes. Not sure how accurate or dependable that part is, but that would be useful in earthquake-prone areas.


What Oroville and inundation area residents need to see on a regular basis are the Shakecast data specific to Oroville. Because each EVENT - whether near or far, if it registers, does impact the dam.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


Now that's just crazy-talk. It's all DWR can do to announce releases. And we already know their answer to any event affecting the dam: "Everything is fine. Nothing to see here. Move along"

The impact of the releases could also register tremors we do not see on USGS public sites that would be taken into account.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


...which is why we never see them on the USGS site to begin with, or why the ORO seismogram is always miscalibrated, turned down to a useless level of sensitivity or just turned off.

These cast maps need to be made public. People would be able to see what sort of impact an event caused to the dam, and if impactful, especially many events over time, can lobby for safety inspections to be done and use the cast maps as evidence.
...

Shakecast needs to implement these.

But the "dam" people in charge would have to push for that.


...

And why is this not being done and if being done, why is it not being made available to the people who would be impacted.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


But blind, deaf and dumb tax cattle citizens are the best. Why ruin that? Public-demanded inspections would be nice, but the public are all potential terrorists and need to be treated as such.

DWR hasn't ever and would never allow any peons to see inspection results - they're CEII state secrets.

Besides, making the dam's problems known publicly means the people would demand DWR *do* something about them. Do you realize how inconvenient, costly and time-consuming it is to fix dam problems? It's like expecting the DWR to saw their own arms off. Why would they DO that? DWR are water mafia investment grifters and government-owned water allocators.

Dam problems are deniable to the ignorant and can always be fixed by some other poor DWR schmuck in the future.

DWR loves the situation exactly like it is now:

"Everything is fine."
"If you don't like the way we do things, tough s#&*%, we're the government."
"Go cry on GLP because we really don't care."
 Quoting: PavewayIV


Epic post. History will thank you when the investigation into all the drowned people and downstream destroyed infrastructure takes a long look at the record here.
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Feather River Watershed Maps

A couple of links to good Feather River Watershed maps so people can see the land area that feeds water into the Oroville Reservoir. (sorry I can't figure out how to imbed these into a post here)

[link to featherriverorg.alias.strangecode.com]


[link to www.usgs.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77374864


AND

A two Snow Zone maps for the watershed due to the HIGH snow amounts this year:
One 5000' and above
One 6000' and above

[link to featherriverorg.alias.strangecode.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77374864


Finally a California Reservoir Level map
Shows how full ALL the large California Rervoirs were on March 19th 2023.

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77374864


That top link is the best watershed map I have seen yet. Finally one with towns on it. Many thanks.
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"The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson

We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family!
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Over the last 24 hours lake elevation has decreased 1.56 feet to 858.13 feet and current available reservoir storage stands at 581,104 acre-feet. Current inflows of 25,819 cfs and outflows of 35,938 are inline with other numbers from today.
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DIS DHUDZ TRYIN' TA TAKE M-UH JHOB-E-JOB.. GHOOD 4U, 'JACK'!UH
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Shut up you retard loser. They were probably hoping you wouldn't continue to spam the thread with your self quotes and gibberish.

stfu
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Nope. Just trying to keep the thread relevant. As soon as new numbers come out post them; I'm not going to be here all day.

DUN MA'TAH WHA FORMATT NUMBAZ IS NUMBARZ AND UPDATE ON DA OWWAH.
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lmao, now Orotards, realizing the Dd is in fact fine, and that the spewway IS WORKING PERFECTLY (in spite of their delusional ignorance about concrete) and that this storms are nowhere near record flows,
have made the neceesary leap of false logic to posit that an earthquake is eminent!

doesnt matter that erfqwaks are unheard of in horrorville, doesnt matter that there are no active faults..

your only chance orotards, an erfqwak…

Needles to say, an erfqwak under any dam will likely likely destroy, especially the ones not built as well as Oro

i especially love the delusional retards who think they see some cavitation “in the corners” omg you ignorant cretins, cavitation is microscopic and cannot be seen..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37660329


Thanks for the laugh.

Cavitation is microscopic, eh?

Yes, like neutrons are. Until you get trillions of them exploding a nuclear bomb.

This guy can't be our DWR troll. Even he would not post such an idiotic comment.
 Quoting: Prayandprepare000


2013 Mag 5.7 quake. Literally centered on Canyon Dam at Almanor. Actually felt that one down here.

Hundreds of aftershocks for several days, centered on the dam abutments.

Almost like 'somebody' was trying to 'pull it'.
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...
Shakecast sends emails, and provides some public data. The stuff we see as the public is VERY generalized.

In some cases ithey're hardly any different than the DYFI measures.
...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


Agree - it's still useful to people. I think Japan's system tries to warn a few seconds before impending quakes. Not sure how accurate or dependable that part is, but that would be useful in earthquake-prone areas.


What Oroville and inundation area residents need to see on a regular basis are the Shakecast data specific to Oroville. Because each EVENT - whether near or far, if it registers, does impact the dam.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


Now that's just crazy-talk. It's all DWR can do to announce releases. And we already know their answer to any event affecting the dam: "Everything is fine. Nothing to see here. Move along"

The impact of the releases could also register tremors we do not see on USGS public sites that would be taken into account.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


...which is why we never see them on the USGS site to begin with, or why the ORO seismogram is always miscalibrated, turned down to a useless level of sensitivity or just turned off.

These cast maps need to be made public. People would be able to see what sort of impact an event caused to the dam, and if impactful, especially many events over time, can lobby for safety inspections to be done and use the cast maps as evidence.
...

Shakecast needs to implement these.

But the "dam" people in charge would have to push for that.


...

And why is this not being done and if being done, why is it not being made available to the people who would be impacted.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


But blind, deaf and dumb tax cattle citizens are the best. Why ruin that? Public-demanded inspections would be nice, but the public are all potential terrorists and need to be treated as such.

DWR hasn't ever and would never allow any peons to see inspection results - they're CEII state secrets.

Besides, making the dam's problems known publicly means the people would demand DWR *do* something about them. Do you realize how inconvenient, costly and time-consuming it is to fix dam problems? It's like expecting the DWR to saw their own arms off. Why would they DO that? DWR are water mafia investment grifters and government-owned water allocators.

Dam problems are deniable to the ignorant and can always be fixed by some other poor DWR schmuck in the future.

DWR loves the situation exactly like it is now:

"Everything is fine."
"If you don't like the way we do things, tough s#&*%, we're the government."
"Go cry on GLP because we really don't care."
 Quoting: PavewayIV


The Oroville Dam inspection reports WERE available online and posted here a thousand pages back. Graphic photos of the racking and cracking gatehouse, leaks deep within the dam, etc.

Now difficult to find.

There are some summaries here, but the links to the actual reports 'seem' to have been disabled. How odd.

[link to water.ca.gov (secure)]


And those 'Needs Assesment' reports with all of the blacked out information. One even had a completely fictitious name (so it would be difficult to find in a search).

They may still be out there.
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Over the last 24 hours lake elevation has decreased 1.48 feet to 857.37 feet and current available reservoir storage stands at 20,396 acre-feet. Current inflows of 23,950 cfs and outflows of 35,76 are inline with other numbers from today.

At this current rate of inflows to outflows it would take two and a half weeks to lower the lake level to the bottom of the gates.
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Over the last 24 hours lake elevation has decreased 1.48 feet to 857.37 feet and current available reservoir storage stands at 20,396 acre-feet. Current inflows of 23,950 cfs and outflows of 35,76 are inline with other numbers from today.

At this current rate of inflows to outflows it would take two and a half weeks to lower the lake level to the bottom of the gates.
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The beatings will continue.
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"The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson

We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family!
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Over the last 24 hours lake elevation has decreased 1.48 feet to 857.37 feet and current available reservoir storage stands at 20,396 acre-feet. Current inflows of 23,950 cfs and outflows of 35,76 are inline with other numbers from today.

At this current rate of inflows to outflows it would take two and a half weeks to lower the lake level to the bottom of the gates.
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The beatings will continue.
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The beatings haven't even started, LOL.
What the Hell?...
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"The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson

We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family!
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After 14 atmospheric rivers, how full are California’s reservoirs?
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"The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson

We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family!
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Over the last 24 hours lake elevation has decreased 1.48 feet to 857.37 feet and current available reservoir storage stands at 20,396 acre-feet. Current inflows of 23,950 cfs and outflows of 35,76 are inline with other numbers from today.

At this current rate of inflows to outflows it would take two and a half weeks to lower the lake level to the bottom of the gates.
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The beatings will continue.
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The beatings haven't even started, LOL.
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I meant the beating of the spillway which will be run until it blows or appears about to.
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California crops lost after floods; how much of the US will feel the shortage?
Relentless atmospheric river storms have pounded California for months. The last bout put America's "salad bowl" largely underwater. What can we expect to see in the grocery store while the region that grows almost half of the nation's lettuce, strawberries and broccoli recovers?
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Shakecast sends emails, and provides some public data. The stuff we see as the public is VERY generalized.

In some cases ithey're hardly any different than the DYFI measures.
...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


Agree - it's still useful to people. I think Japan's system tries to warn a few seconds before impending quakes. Not sure how accurate or dependable that part is, but that would be useful in earthquake-prone areas.


What Oroville and inundation area residents need to see on a regular basis are the Shakecast data specific to Oroville. Because each EVENT - whether near or far, if it registers, does impact the dam.
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Now that's just crazy-talk. It's all DWR can do to announce releases. And we already know their answer to any event affecting the dam: "Everything is fine. Nothing to see here. Move along"

The impact of the releases could also register tremors we do not see on USGS public sites that would be taken into account.
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...which is why we never see them on the USGS site to begin with, or why the ORO seismogram is always miscalibrated, turned down to a useless level of sensitivity or just turned off.

These cast maps need to be made public. People would be able to see what sort of impact an event caused to the dam, and if impactful, especially many events over time, can lobby for safety inspections to be done and use the cast maps as evidence.
...

Shakecast needs to implement these.

But the "dam" people in charge would have to push for that.


...

And why is this not being done and if being done, why is it not being made available to the people who would be impacted.
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But blind, deaf and dumb tax cattle citizens are the best. Why ruin that? Public-demanded inspections would be nice, but the public are all potential terrorists and need to be treated as such.

DWR hasn't ever and would never allow any peons to see inspection results - they're CEII state secrets.

Besides, making the dam's problems known publicly means the people would demand DWR *do* something about them. Do you realize how inconvenient, costly and time-consuming it is to fix dam problems? It's like expecting the DWR to saw their own arms off. Why would they DO that? DWR are water mafia investment grifters and government-owned water allocators.

Dam problems are deniable to the ignorant and can always be fixed by some other poor DWR schmuck in the future.

DWR loves the situation exactly like it is now:

"Everything is fine."
"If you don't like the way we do things, tough s#&*%, we're the government."
"Go cry on GLP because we really don't care."
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That bad still, even worse, than before 2017, it appears.

Throughout my career I relied on this to jolt the dolts into behaving:

"You cannot manage what you don't measure".

Risk/exposure managment and transparency on a tax payer funded insfratucture item, is not ALL restricted by CEII. We have a right to know if they spent our money on any of the following tech. to monitor deformation before collapse (beyond Shakecast) and specific for earthen dams.

Even if they refuse to tell us what the data are.

Geodetic and Remote-Sensing Sensors for Dam Deformation Monitoring
ncbi dot nlm dot nih dot gov/pmc/articles/PMC6263878/


Summarizing:

--Geodetic and GNSS Sensors for Precise Measurement at Specific Locations (Optical Collimators, Geodetic Networks, Global Navigation Satellite Systems
-- Remote Sensors for Areal Deformation Measurement
(Terrestrial Laser Scanning, Ground-Based InSAR, Spaceborne Advanced DInSAR,
--Integrated Monitoring Systems, Data Processing and Methods for Deformation Analysis
(Integrated Monitoring Systems, Conventional Deformation Analysis, Crunching the numbers, statistical/determinisitic for Investigation of Deformations’ Causative Reasons)

It is doubtful any real intellectual salt is being applied to manage risk/exposure at ORO. Regardless of CEII they can if they wanted, list the tech and methods they are using to manage deformation and RIS risks.

Whether they publicize the data or not.

But using CEII to refuse to have any public notification of how they are managing this risk just proves they are out to lunch in this.

They just don't have the brain power. And aren't even ashamed they don't. Clueless. Shameless.

China's CEII equivalent is way more restrictive than CA's. Yet we can determine what they are using, they are the leaders now int his field.

China is using most of the tech listed above. How do I know, read various papers, and China various dams, comes up as a user of various tech.

Their 3 Gorges dam it's so massive it affects the earth's gravity, they monitor regional or global gravity fields changes for possibility of Reservoir Induce e/q's. Not applicable here due to size, but it shows how CHina is light years ahead of the DWR.

It's a damn shame becuase CHina is the US's biggest threat, and here we have the DWR basically behaving like primitive ignorant savages, when our biggest and nastiest threat is light years ahead of us, and they're just out to lunch.

What to do.
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California crops lost after floods; how much of the US will feel the shortage?
Relentless atmospheric river storms have pounded California for months. The last bout put America's "salad bowl" largely underwater. What can we expect to see in the grocery store while the region that grows almost half of the nation's lettuce, strawberries and broccoli recovers?
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 Quoting: joinca


Broccoli: Monterey brought in 62% of the state's $631 million broccoli profit

Guess I'm not alone in preferring broccoli over all other non-potato vegetables.
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[gibberish here]
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Personally it seems more likely that the earthquake on the quoted chart was this one: [link to scedc.caltech.edu (secure)] down near the Salton Sea.
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Could be, AC. I'm not an earthquake guy. Virtually anyone reading this (including capsman) knows more about earthquakes than me. I live in the upper midwest - we don't have such crustal rattletrap nonsense in the middle of the craton. Our biggest geological threat is the occasional glacier. They actually leave some pretty good soil from Canada behind. Pick out the Canadians and the old dented Molson cans, and you can grow damn near anything in it.

There were two earthquakes in the Salton Sea that morning, about the same magnitude ~3.6 and depth 7 km. One was just before 10 AM and the other one about a half hour later. I guess I would have expected to see both of them on the ORO seismogram. In fact, I would have expected to see both of them on *some* of the California seismograms on the USGS earthquake page. Can't find any that have both, even OAT in Los Angeles.

Which means nothing except to my mushroom-addled simian reasoning: it must have been the Ecuador M6.8 earthquake because there was only one of them. Plus the squiggly line pattern on ORO looks like those in the past from large, distant earthquakes.

The occurrence of wo similar earthquakes a half-hour apart in the Salton Sea was entirely random. I have no other way to distinguish what ORO ever registers or why.
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...
Shakecast sends emails, and provides some public data. The stuff we see as the public is VERY generalized.

In some cases ithey're hardly any different than the DYFI measures.
...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


Agree - it's still useful to people. I think Japan's system tries to warn a few seconds before impending quakes. Not sure how accurate or dependable that part is, but that would be useful in earthquake-prone areas.


What Oroville and inundation area residents need to see on a regular basis are the Shakecast data specific to Oroville. Because each EVENT - whether near or far, if it registers, does impact the dam.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


Now that's just crazy-talk. It's all DWR can do to announce releases. And we already know their answer to any event affecting the dam: "Everything is fine. Nothing to see here. Move along"

The impact of the releases could also register tremors we do not see on USGS public sites that would be taken into account.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


...which is why we never see them on the USGS site to begin with, or why the ORO seismogram is always miscalibrated, turned down to a useless level of sensitivity or just turned off.

These cast maps need to be made public. People would be able to see what sort of impact an event caused to the dam, and if impactful, especially many events over time, can lobby for safety inspections to be done and use the cast maps as evidence.
...

Shakecast needs to implement these.

But the "dam" people in charge would have to push for that.


...

And why is this not being done and if being done, why is it not being made available to the people who would be impacted.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84517190


But blind, deaf and dumb tax cattle citizens are the best. Why ruin that? Public-demanded inspections would be nice, but the public are all potential terrorists and need to be treated as such.

DWR hasn't ever and would never allow any peons to see inspection results - they're CEII state secrets.

Besides, making the dam's problems known publicly means the people would demand DWR *do* something about them. Do you realize how inconvenient, costly and time-consuming it is to fix dam problems? It's like expecting the DWR to saw their own arms off. Why would they DO that? DWR are water mafia investment grifters and government-owned water allocators.

Dam problems are deniable to the ignorant and can always be fixed by some other poor DWR schmuck in the future.

DWR loves the situation exactly like it is now:

"Everything is fine."
"If you don't like the way we do things, tough s#&*%, we're the government."
"Go cry on GLP because we really don't care."
 Quoting: PavewayIV


That bad still, even worse, than before 2017, it appears.

Throughout my career I relied on this to jolt the dolts into behaving:

"You cannot manage what you don't measure".

Risk/exposure managment and transparency on a tax payer funded insfratucture item, is not ALL restricted by CEII. We have a right to know if they spent our money on any of the following tech. to monitor deformation before collapse (beyond Shakecast) and specific for earthen dams.

Even if they refuse to tell us what the data are.

Geodetic and Remote-Sensing Sensors for Dam Deformation Monitoring
ncbi dot nlm dot nih dot gov/pmc/articles/PMC6263878/


Summarizing:

--Geodetic and GNSS Sensors for Precise Measurement at Specific Locations (Optical Collimators, Geodetic Networks, Global Navigation Satellite Systems
-- Remote Sensors for Areal Deformation Measurement
(Terrestrial Laser Scanning, Ground-Based InSAR, Spaceborne Advanced DInSAR,
--Integrated Monitoring Systems, Data Processing and Methods for Deformation Analysis
(Integrated Monitoring Systems, Conventional Deformation Analysis, Crunching the numbers, statistical/determinisitic for Investigation of Deformations’ Causative Reasons)

It is doubtful any real intellectual salt is being applied to manage risk/exposure at ORO. Regardless of CEII they can if they wanted, list the tech and methods they are using to manage deformation and RIS risks.

Whether they publicize the data or not.

But using CEII to refuse to have any public notification of how they are managing this risk just proves they are out to lunch in this.

They just don't have the brain power. And aren't even ashamed they don't. Clueless. Shameless.

China's CEII equivalent is way more restrictive than CA's. Yet we can determine what they are using, they are the leaders now int his field.

China is using most of the tech listed above. How do I know, read various papers, and China various dams, comes up as a user of various tech.

Their 3 Gorges dam it's so massive it affects the earth's gravity, they monitor regional or global gravity fields changes for possibility of Reservoir Induce e/q's. Not applicable here due to size, but it shows how CHina is light years ahead of the DWR.

It's a damn shame becuase CHina is the US's biggest threat, and here we have the DWR basically behaving like primitive ignorant savages, when our biggest and nastiest threat is light years ahead of us, and they're just out to lunch.

What to do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85476439


I should add, we are all aware that DWR OUTSOURCED the minimal monitoring of whatever sensors they installed to Sensemetrics, covering "total dam condition" monitoring which provides real-time information for informed decision making.

Not specific to specific infrastructure.

Again, what was installed, and where is the REAL TIME data posted and published.





GLP