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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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Other dams do not fear cameras.
Its a billion dollar taxpayer item, why would you not be proud to show it work?
Heh.
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oh, i UH..JUS' GAVE BIRTH TO THIS AS WELL IF, UH..ANYONE IZ UH
BORED. OR, UH THHRHOHL....CAPS.

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UH, THEY R DOING AZ LITTLE AZ POSSIBLE. TO SHAVE D-UH DAM AN
MAKE BANK ON WATUH. BUT, THEY'RE GONNUH FUCK IT UP..BY PLAN.UH
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DISSSssss..uh...
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856.57

RIV REL. 'EXACTLY' 20,000

INFLOWS 53,533

OUTFLOWS 20,237
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CALLIN 858.00 BY MIDNIGHT CALI TIME.

UP 8.21 FEET IN THE LAST 24 HRS.
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NEW DATA IN 5.
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Any camera links to the spillway?
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[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]

It eventually pans around to the spillway.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Considering US taxpayers coughed up approx.
$1 billion to clean up the State of California's mess, the least they could have done was to use a few thousand of that and install livecams devoted exclusively to the spillway, gates and the front of the dam itself, that actually work and stay online 24/7

Those are the areas most people are interested in seeing, especially when severe weather hits.

Instead, we are tortured by being forced to sit through 5 minutes of trees, the horizon, a flat lake, and part of a wall just to view a small part at the top of the spillway,

Taxpayers should be able to view what they paid for.

What are they afraid of?
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Actually, this same camera USED to simply show the upper spillway deck and the spillway bridge area. A total of three views as I recall, all of the upper spillway area.

There is another camera, the 'lower spillway camera' that I believe is still in place across the diversion pool from the bottom of the spillway. We aren't allowed to view that one.
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So you got me thinking... and I started changing the page id numbers on the web link and found a "hidden" cam. There may be more. I'm going to root around.

[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
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856.76 JUST CAME IN! UH
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856.76 JUST CAME IN! UH
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OVUH 2.9 MIL ACRE FT. NOW. ALSO, JUST CAME IT!
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856.76 JUST CAME IN! UH
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UP 8.01 FT. IN THE LAST 24 HRS.
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Keep em in the dark,eh?

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856.57

RIV REL. 'EXACTLY' 20,000

INFLOWS 53,533

OUTFLOWS 20,237
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CALLIN 858.00 BY MIDNIGHT CALI TIME.

UP 8.21 FEET IN THE LAST 24 HRS.
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7 HRS TO GO.
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and yet…
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DWR is fucking up beyond all of their past fuckups.

(mic drop)
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OUTFLOWS ALMOST 21K

INFLOWS 53K!~

RIV REL DOWN UH SPEC. 19,800
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[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]

It eventually pans around to the spillway.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Considering US taxpayers coughed up approx.
$1 billion to clean up the State of California's mess, the least they could have done was to use a few thousand of that and install livecams devoted exclusively to the spillway, gates and the front of the dam itself, that actually work and stay online 24/7

Those are the areas most people are interested in seeing, especially when severe weather hits.

Instead, we are tortured by being forced to sit through 5 minutes of trees, the horizon, a flat lake, and part of a wall just to view a small part at the top of the spillway,

Taxpayers should be able to view what they paid for.

What are they afraid of?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83952860


Actually, this same camera USED to simply show the upper spillway deck and the spillway bridge area. A total of three views as I recall, all of the upper spillway area.

There is another camera, the 'lower spillway camera' that I believe is still in place across the diversion pool from the bottom of the spillway. We aren't allowed to view that one.
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So you got me thinking... and I started changing the page id numbers on the web link and found a "hidden" cam. There may be more. I'm going to root around.

[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
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Nice!

I don't know where that is, but there are a lot of porta-shitters in that one view.
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Considering US taxpayers coughed up approx.
$1 billion to clean up the State of California's mess, the least they could have done was to use a few thousand of that and install livecams devoted exclusively to the spillway, gates and the front of the dam itself, that actually work and stay online 24/7

Those are the areas most people are interested in seeing, especially when severe weather hits.

Instead, we are tortured by being forced to sit through 5 minutes of trees, the horizon, a flat lake, and part of a wall just to view a small part at the top of the spillway,

Taxpayers should be able to view what they paid for.

What are they afraid of?
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Actually, this same camera USED to simply show the upper spillway deck and the spillway bridge area. A total of three views as I recall, all of the upper spillway area.

There is another camera, the 'lower spillway camera' that I believe is still in place across the diversion pool from the bottom of the spillway. We aren't allowed to view that one.
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So you got me thinking... and I started changing the page id numbers on the web link and found a "hidden" cam. There may be more. I'm going to root around.

[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
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Nice!

I don't know where that is, but there are a lot of porta-shitters in that one view.
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I found the same cam under a different number. It's called "Poppy Reserve"

[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
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Actually, this same camera USED to simply show the upper spillway deck and the spillway bridge area. A total of three views as I recall, all of the upper spillway area.

There is another camera, the 'lower spillway camera' that I believe is still in place across the diversion pool from the bottom of the spillway. We aren't allowed to view that one.
 Quoting: Crunch62


So you got me thinking... and I started changing the page id numbers on the web link and found a "hidden" cam. There may be more. I'm going to root around.

[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: DieselTech


Nice!

I don't know where that is, but there are a lot of porta-shitters in that one view.
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I found the same cam under a different number. It's called "Poppy Reserve"

[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
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Gotta love those poppies. The California State Flower. They grow wild here in Whoville along 7th Ave. I think it is illegal to harvest or molest them LOL.
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Poppy Reserve.

[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
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Well, crap. Not so hidden. Still, might be something yet to find besides this creepy doll.

[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
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Well, crap. Not so hidden. Still, might be something yet to find besides this creepy doll.

[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
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Wow. That is creepy.

Imagine what those people endured up there all those years ago.
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Well, crap. Not so hidden. Still, might be something yet to find besides this creepy doll.

[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
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[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
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Well, crap. Not so hidden. Still, might be something yet to find besides this creepy doll.

[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
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Wow. That is creepy.

Imagine what those people endured up there all those years ago.
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Marysville, CA named after Donner Party survivor Mary Murphy.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

They survived and then got flooded out in Marysville year after year.
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Any camera links to the spillway?
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[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]

It eventually pans around to the spillway.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Considering US taxpayers coughed up approx.
$1 billion to clean up the State of California's mess, the least they could have done was to use a few thousand of that and install livecams devoted exclusively to the spillway, gates and the front of the dam itself, that actually work and stay online 24/7

Those are the areas most people are interested in seeing, especially when severe weather hits.

Instead, we are tortured by being forced to sit through 5 minutes of trees, the horizon, a flat lake, and part of a wall just to view a small part at the top of the spillway,

Taxpayers should be able to view what they paid for.

What are they afraid of?
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Back in 2017 they had all those cameras you're asking for and everyone here was glued to them. Back then they even left the lights on at night so you could see the water levels both in the reservoir and coming down the spillway.
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Added 2,745 acre-feet to the reservoir over the last hour, 597,198 acre-feet of storage remain.
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Any camera links to the spillway?
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[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]

It eventually pans around to the spillway.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Considering US taxpayers coughed up approx.
$1 billion to clean up the State of California's mess, the least they could have done was to use a few thousand of that and install livecams devoted exclusively to the spillway, gates and the front of the dam itself, that actually work and stay online 24/7

Those are the areas most people are interested in seeing, especially when severe weather hits.

Instead, we are tortured by being forced to sit through 5 minutes of trees, the horizon, a flat lake, and part of a wall just to view a small part at the top of the spillway,

Taxpayers should be able to view what they paid for.

What are they afraid of?
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Back in 2017 they had all those cameras you're asking for and everyone here was glued to them. Back then they even left the lights on at night so you could see the water levels both in the reservoir and coming down the spillway.
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Yep, and they vowed they would keep them up.

But it is now Gavin Newsoms' California.

Oaths and promises mean nothing.
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Fun little video for kids about the process of cavitation at the Glen Canyon Dam. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Very nice presentation.
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That was great. Thanks.

I think O spillway is doomed without smoother joints.
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Fun little video for kids about the process of cavitation at the Glen Canyon Dam. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Very nice presentation.
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That was great. Thanks.

I think O spillway is doomed without smoother joints.
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Awesome video.

Too bad CA DWR isn't paying attention.
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Looks pretty bad. Doom is back on the menu boys.
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A little history lesson.



As a random pleb the best we can hope for is that the dam is never again tested the way it was in 2017. We've gotten over trusting experts to keep us safe.
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That was great AC. Nice section on uplift forces. Beautiful footage. Thanks.
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In essence, my main point here, if there is structural damage, the gates may not open ( notice they are not all open). Or, once open, they might get stuck while open. (my hypothesis is that this explains the low release. Fear of a Folsom like failure).
...
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I think the gates are all open, aren't they?

And no doubt DWR is worried about everything working right, but (just my opinion) doubt if they would hesitate to use the gates based on the known issues. They honest-to-God believe everything is fine and will work as planned.

I would instead put my money on DWR thinking "Let's fill up our piggy-bank as fast as possible and start counting the dough, baby!" Which pisses me off because the supposedly mandatory flood pool reservation is based on historical records of how much flood storage they MIGHT STILL need. Since DWR can't see into the future, it would behoove them to follow well-known, best-case conservative storage management engineering guidelines even at the risk of ending up a few acre-ft short of a full dam in May. And I doubt they'll be short at all with the next round of ARk storms rolling in.

Not sure what kind of dumb-assed game they're playing here, but they could have got a jump on maintaining flood storage four days ago by spilling. Everyone knew what was coming, even GLP. Now they can't release much faster if they wanted to because the Sacramento is flooding. They damn well could have started spilling last Saturday and made room by now without causing any problems downstream.

At the end of yesterday, 3/14, they already exceeded the upper storage limit by 42,000 acre-ft. It will probably be double that today. I'm sure they figure inflows will drop off as the week goes on, and then they'll draw the reservoir back down to the flood reservation limit. We know how that's probably going to work out. It's the ABV TOC column on this data set: [link to cdec.water.ca.gov (secure)]

Trunion anchor stuff:




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Good job on twitter. I hope your posts go far and wide.

This time they didn't open all 8 at first, only four. I don't know what's happening now. I just kinda figured they kept the worst looking ones shut. I keep meaning to dig out that Bea report and figure out which gate had the 14 foot crack. I was thinking they'd keep it shut. But honestly I've no idea what goes through their minds. No matter how often we refer to the Bea report and the gates, the shills do their DDIF replies. Delusion, insanity, fear....who knows.
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Looks pretty bad. Doom is back on the menu boys.
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A sort of LOTR quote is appropriate. It makes me think of the Ents flooding out Saruman.





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