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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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Ok... tell me if you can see what I think I’m seeing...

Look at the joint between the first wall panel you can see in the lower right of the spillway view and the second wall panel.

Tell me what you see.
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I see the serious potential for cavitation and spalling if the spillway flow gets ramped up. Then the water will peel that wall out and cut its own path.
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Ok... tell me if you can see what I think I’m seeing...

Look at the joint between the first wall panel you can see in the lower right of the spillway view and the second wall panel.

Tell me what you see.
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I see the serious potential for cavitation and spalling if the spillway flow gets ramped up. Then the water will peel that wall out and cut its own path.
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859.91
out flows 25,801
the RELEASE SCHED. IS NOT @ 25K

INFLOWS 41.5K

RIV REL 25K
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NEW DATA IN LESS THAN 10. GONNUH HIT 860!~
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...

Here is the link to a document titled "Declaration of Robert G. Bea in Support of Plaintiffs' Opposition to Defendant's Motion to Strike"

Scroll down to Exhibit 2, page 11 and you'll find the info you want on that 14' crack with a 4" shift.

It's the last gate on the right BTW.

The doc contains a lot of other interesting, unredacted info too.

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Thanks for the link, AC.

In case all this anchor tendon nonsense and cracks are confusing anyone, I'll add this observation ('opinion') best as I can recall by engineers from the old forums back in the days of spillway troubles:

1) The TOE edge (the downstream 'spillway' floor edge) of the gatehouse is slumping forward and rotating downhill when the reservoir is full. The internal stress on the vertical structural elements of the gatehouse are tremendous. That's what's stretching and busting the anchor tendons and cracking 5' thick structural concrete walls.

2) Previous high-pressure grouting under the head (upstream) edge and under the center of the gatehouse slabs in the 1960's and 70's made the problem worse. The grouting was necessary to mitigate water infiltration under the gatehouse through the hillside foundation rock, but expanding and filling the cracks put upward pressure under the headworks upstream edge. This 'helps' rotate (tip) the whole structure slightly forward when the reservoir is full from water pressure on the upstream side. Speculation is that this is the reason DWR engineers discontinued further grouting under the gatehouse and just accepted increased water infiltration/drainage under the gatehouse. Decades of erosion under the gatehouse toe made the whole problem worse.

3. Opening the gates at high reservoir levels relieves much of the upstream forces on the gatehouse and it will measurably rotate (tip) back towards the reservoir. Same thing when the reservoir is empty.

4. The headworks bottom slabs and piers are anchored to the hillside foundation bedrock by long rods cemented deep into the rock. Some of those anchors may have broken or become loose (cement deteriorating). Other anchors are still gripping sections of the bedrock, but that bedrock is known to be fractured and somewhat incompetent. There's a risk that sections of that rock are simply moving with the gatehouse when it tiles rather than anchoring it.

5. Worse yet, the anchoring and tipping problems are not uniform under the whole gatehouse structure. Slumping movement near the headworks left abutment (looking downstream) appears to be larger than along other sections, leading to the cracked pier above the trunion pin and anchors for Gate 8. This also contributed to the road deck slab spalling the edge of the pier it sits on. The headworks was built using two units - one of the left four gates and one for the right four gates. Racking of those structures during tipping may explain both pier 8 cracks and broken anchor tendons/gate racking at gate 4.

6. More evidence of this problem: the gigantic, bizarre concrete sarcophagus and wall. Supposedly to protect the main spillway from erosion if the e-spillway is used. Kind of like somewhere you would just build a simple, reinforced concrete wall. More skeptical engineers see this as a horrible hack to prop up the end of the e-spillway weir and headworks - FROM TILTING AND SLIDING DOWN THE HILL.

7. We're talking a fraction of a millimeter movement and microradians of tilt. The whole hill and dam deforms by those degrees when the reservoir is full and it wouldn't be unusual for large concrete structures built on it. It only becomes a problem when those structures are built using certain movement assumptions, and subsequent real-world performance later on are not measured or tracked. (Opinions vary on whether DWR does this at all or just keeps the results secret). Obvious future problems related to original design specification assumptions being exceeded later on are ignored - mostly because they are very costly and time-consuming to fix.

The above isn't MY technical assessment of the gatehouse. It's the collective assessment of some geezer engineers and geologists on forums that have been seeing these problems for decades. Other engineers disagree on the seriousness of the issues or suggest other underlying causes.


Measuring this kind of structural movement was difficult (but not impossible) 1960's technology. It's not, today. They can measure a millimeter of displacement and a fraction of a microradian of tilt on an active volcano with a few thousand dollars of equipment. DWR does not lack the technical means to do this, it's that they are paralyzed as far as any organizational desire to FIX anything they find regardless of measurement results, and they'll always use the quickest/cheapest fix when they ARE forced into action.

DWR isn't worried about 4" of displacement on a cracked 5' gatehouse structural pier. But they are outraged when pictures of it leak out and horrified dam engineers all over the world start discussing it and openly criticizing DWR and its engineering organizations. DWR *engineers* are not incompetent, stupid or immoral, but their bosses sure are. Must be a miserable place to work.

No problem for DWR though. DWR absolutely loves CEII restrictions allowing them to hide engineering problems like this affecting the public's safety. Unfortunate for DWR that the cracked pier photos got out, but those Goddam terrorist citizens will never be allowed to see the details on a host of other serious problems. Critical Electrical/Energy Infrastructure Information secrets. You don't NEED to know that secret stuff. And if you poke around too much, well... you'll end up under Sta. 23+00 where you can't cause any more trouble.
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Another tremendous informative post, thank you very much.

Someday when it all breaks your posting will be part of the historical analysis...unless Elon "commits suicide" and twitter takes down all the O Dam exposure posting.

Regarding your section above in red.....you are being charitable in attributing good motives to DWR. Perhaps you are right, and I am wrong to have been bringing up the subject of grouting as a criticism.

However Scott Cahill talked about piping repeatedly, and how you never ever ever want free movement of water through a dam or under a spillway or surrounding geology. Erosion can set in way too fast under pressure. A little seep is one thing, but moving water, even a trickle, can rapidly bring erosion to topple a whole structure. Cahill thought they needed to grout the heck out of that hill and stop every bit of leaking.

Having said that, he also was adamant that they needed to scrap this current mess and build a new gate structure and spillway where the Emergency spillway is now. This one is too far gone. A billion dollars later and maybe they should have listened, but I don't have the expertise to say.

Anyway, thanks for a great post!!
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860.11

INFLOWS NOW UP TO 43,560

OUTFLOWS 26,783

UP 3.54 FT. LAST 24 HR

ON PACE TO GO UP 2.88 FT. IN THE NEXT 24 HRS.

865 BY MIDNIGHT TOMM./FRI/SAT.
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I have to make a confession.

Dealing with this shit regarding the dam for nearly 40 years is taking it's toll.

Watching the DWR incompetence year after year is wearing me down.

I have PTSD from 1986 and 1997. I have stories to tell from those years if anyone is interested in hearing them.
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Oh please write them out for the thread. It's part of the human side of the whole story.
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Somebody who cares. Thank you.

I'll start with 1986. Give me a minute.
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My wife (fiancee then) and I grew up in So Cal. Simi Valley. It was a nice place to grow up then, but expensive to live. We looked at Nor Cal due to the low rent and low property prices.

We came up to Honcut in November of 1985. I had just turned 23. With the nonstop rain day after day, I wondered WTF had I done moving here. I did not realise it was not a normal year.

Coming into February of 1986, I received a call notifying me that one of my friends from So Cal had passed away. Worse was the fact he had taken his own life. I was asked to be a pallbearer at his funeral.

The rain was bad and the roads were flooding badly. My wife (fiancee) and I spent the night at her cousin's house down in Yuba City. My flight to So Cal was scheduled for early the next morning.

We drove down to the Sacramento airport early that morning. I think my flight was scheduled for 6:30 AM.

Debi was then planning to head to work. She was a stylist in the JC Penney hair salon in the Peach Tree Mall in Linda-Marysville.

I flew down to Burbank airport. Somebody picked me up (I don't remember who).

Later that afternoon, I was at my parents' house watching the TV news. Suddenly, there was a breaking news report of a levee breach in Nor Cal.

I watched a helicopter shot of the Peach Tree Mall underwater. Where Debi was supposed to be at work.

I freaked.

Nothing I could do, being 500 miles away. No cell phones or internet then. No email, no text. Just old-school land lines. I called home, I called relatives, I called everyone I knew.

Nobody had seen her. I was losing my shit. I just kept watching that video of the mall underwater. I thought she was gone.

I completely lost it. My dad restrained me, as I was trying to RUN back to Nor Cal.

Finally, Debi called. She had decided to NOT go to work that day, due to the road conditions. She had spent most of the day just trying to get home. Finally made it by taking numerous roundabout routes.

A day from Hell for me, thanks to CA DWR failure.

I will never forget it. Damn them.
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Oh man, how awful.

Its sweet how much you loved and wanted her though. Its the hand of God she decided not to go to work.

I can see how the DWR lies bother you so much. To think of all those people downstream and what the death toll would be like in a dam break.

Our DDIF parasites just don't get why we post here. People can call it PTSD, but once your eyes get opened to the potential for things, be it in war or floods or accidents, it opens your eyes and changes you.
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It does change you.
What the Hell?...
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1997.

It was expected the Emergency spillway would overtop.

Evacuation orders were given 24+ hours beforehand (unlike 2017).

Sutter County was evacuated. Low-lying areas of Yuba County were evacuated. We were in a small 'corner' of Butte County that was not evacuated.

We couldn't have gone anywhere anyway, as all of the local roads were underwater.

I was working in Yuba City at the time, but I couldn't get to work due to the roads (and the fact that Yuba City was evacuated).

I heard later from my boss about their harrowing escape from Yuba City, trying to head west on Hwy 20 toward Sutter in complete gridlock. It reminded him of his family's escape in the 1955 flood when he was just a kid. Watching the water coming down their street as his dad was flooring the car to get the Hell out of Dodge.

That evening in 1997, I was listening to my scanner. A Yuba County sheriff deputy was attempting to locate two individuals trapped in a car due to the rising water.

The deputy was in his patrol vehicle, followed by two other deputies in a Bronco with a rubber boat on a trailer.

He rounded a curve in the road and was faced with a wall of water approaching his vehicle. The levee had failed south of Olivehurst.

I will never forget the sheer terror in his voice as he relayed the information to dispatch. He described his vehicle being inundated by the water.

He and the other deputies were able to get the boat off the trailer and got into it.

Their vehicles were lost, and the people they were attempting to rescue were lost.

I was sitting here listening to the radio, completely stunned.

Yes, it changes you.

All because of DWR greed.
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This crap is personal to me. Easy for someone half a nation or half a world away to observe it.

Or easy for some shill bot to harass me over it.

But I live here. This shit isn't fiction.

My wife and I could lose our meager existence due to DWR greed.

Nobody cares. Our POS state legislature and worthless Governor couldn't care less, as long as that water keeps flowing down to So Cal.

That is the point. Water for So Cal.

They will kill us all to maintain it.

I, for one, will not die quietly.
What the Hell?...
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This crap is personal to me. Easy for someone half a nation or half a world away to observe it.

Or easy for some shill bot to harass me over it.

But I live here. This shit isn't fiction.

My wife and I could lose our meager existence due to DWR greed.

Nobody cares. Our POS state legislature and worthless Governor couldn't care less, as long as that water keeps flowing down to So Cal.

That is the point. Water for So Cal.

They will kill us all to maintain it.

I, for one, will not die quietly.
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SEEN HEARD NOTED AND SALUTED

clappa
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This crap is personal to me. Easy for someone half a nation or half a world away to observe it.

Or easy for some shill bot to harass me over it.

But I live here. This shit isn't fiction.

My wife and I could lose our meager existence due to DWR greed.

Nobody cares. Our POS state legislature and worthless Governor couldn't care less, as long as that water keeps flowing down to So Cal.

That is the point. Water for So Cal.

They will kill us all to maintain it.

I, for one, will not die quietly.
 Quoting: Crunch62


SEEN HEARD NOTED AND SALUTED

clappa
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God Bless.

hf
What the Hell?...
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@ MIDNIGHT IT WAS 858.02


NOW, IT IS AT 858.69 NO OTHER DATA AVAIL. YET. UH,CAPMAN. UH.
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NOW, 858.83
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So it moved a tenth of a foot? Shut the fuck up spammer retard

stfu
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The shut the fuck upping is on you. CAPMAN UH is a great contributor to this thread.

You...not so much.

This thread will run it's course regardless of your unnecessary and useless contributions.

We are a family here. If you don't like it, take a fucking hike.

Bye.
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DOOM: (temporarily delayed for upcoming ARk storm)

...unless you live in Marysville. 35K cfs tomorrow is only the beginning of DWR's effort to eradicate you once and for all. Remember: DWR's flood plan says they can release 150,000 cfs into the Feather River for reservoir control without impacting you. They're serious - it's right in their flood operations plan. Hope you have your lawyers on speed dial.



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How ironic or not that yuba county gets mega tonnage of snow but cant even protect their one semi-town.
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How ironic or not that yuba county gets mega tonnage of snow but cant even protect their one semi-town.
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Driving across the bridges during high water is scary as fuck.


Just saying.
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How ironic or not that yuba county gets mega tonnage of snow but cant even protect their one semi-town.
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Driving across the bridges during high water is scary as fuck.


Just saying.
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This crap is personal to me. Easy for someone half a nation or half a world away to observe it.

Or easy for some shill bot to harass me over it.

But I live here. This shit isn't fiction.

My wife and I could lose our meager existence due to DWR greed.

Nobody cares. Our POS state legislature and worthless Governor couldn't care less, as long as that water keeps flowing down to So Cal.

That is the point. Water for So Cal.

They will kill us all to maintain it.

I, for one, will not die quietly.
 Quoting: Crunch62


You are the real deal, Crunch.

Props to you, bro.

Best of luck to all who may be impacted.

I don't wish for doom. I only follow news and current events.

Be safe.
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This crap is personal to me. Easy for someone half a nation or half a world away to observe it.

Or easy for some shill bot to harass me over it.

But I live here. This shit isn't fiction.

My wife and I could lose our meager existence due to DWR greed.

Nobody cares. Our POS state legislature and worthless Governor couldn't care less, as long as that water keeps flowing down to So Cal.

That is the point. Water for So Cal.

They will kill us all to maintain it.

I, for one, will not die quietly.
 Quoting: Crunch62


You are the real deal, Crunch.

Props to you, bro.

Best of luck to all who may be impacted.

I don't wish for doom. I only follow news and current events.

Be safe.
 Quoting: Skanner


We will be fine.

Not going anywhere.

Almost hoping that dam falls apart. Tired of this crap year after year.
What the Hell?...
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It does change you.
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Yes. I have deep experience of tremendous loss and am aware of any potential.
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Rain pretty much 11 of the next 14 days around the dam.
And then there is melt....sure to pick up and maybe go fucksville early april. They keep inching up the outflow. They said they anticipate full pool. Even if the dam holds, flood "protection" will be lost by months end.
You know..you never know..you know?
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Rain pretty much 11 of the next 14 days around the dam.
And then there is melt....sure to pick up and maybe go fucksville early april. They keep inching up the outflow. They said they anticipate full pool. Even if the dam holds, flood "protection" will be lost by months end.
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Yes.

DWR is playing a fool's game.
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The infamous green spot is turning into a green band.
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The infamous green spot is turning into a green band.
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Hey! Im sure that grass is soaking up and taking care of any leakage that isnt happening.
You know..you never know..you know?
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The shut the fuck upping is on you. CAPMAN UH is a great contributor to this thread.

You...not so much.

This thread will run it's course regardless of your unnecessary and useless contributions.

We are a family here. If you don't like it, take a fucking hike.

Bye.
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Says the alleged alignment expert who takes his stuff to Les Schwab for an alignment.

You're a poor pathetic old man who can't even keep your animals safe and alive. I value your opinion the same as I would a bum on the street. Kindly gfy too. I'll keep on shaming capass for his bad behavior regardless of what you think, gramps.

Or maybe you wanna threaten to fight me again? That was funny too.

stfu
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What is wrong with you? DISGUSTING! The baggage must be heavy.
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Must be a bot. Has called me out multiple times, but won't show. Great times LOL.
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Must be as any mature, grown person would simply leave this thread and stop hassling people. Obviously, the person was riling folks up as planned. Don't feed 'em.


hf
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This crap is personal to me. Easy for someone half a nation or half a world away to observe it.

Or easy for some shill bot to harass me over it.

But I live here. This shit isn't fiction.

My wife and I could lose our meager existence due to DWR greed.

Nobody cares. Our POS state legislature and worthless Governor couldn't care less, as long as that water keeps flowing down to So Cal.

That is the point. Water for So Cal.

They will kill us all to maintain it.

I, for one, will not die quietly.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Well, it's good to still have you around. You went through alot, but we can all see your strength and that you are anything but weak.

:)
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The infamous green spot is turning into a green band.
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Hey! Im sure that grass is soaking up and taking care of any leakage that isnt happening.
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Lol.


Crunch...thanks for story #2.
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This is a longshot but here is the predicted ENSO conditions possible in December.

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1997.

It was expected the Emergency spillway would overtop.

Evacuation orders were given 24+ hours beforehand (unlike 2017).

Sutter County was evacuated. Low-lying areas of Yuba County were evacuated. We were in a small 'corner' of Butte County that was not evacuated.

We couldn't have gone anywhere anyway, as all of the local roads were underwater.

I was working in Yuba City at the time, but I couldn't get to work due to the roads (and the fact that Yuba City was evacuated).

I heard later from my boss about their harrowing escape from Yuba City, trying to head west on Hwy 20 toward Sutter in complete gridlock. It reminded him of his family's escape in the 1955 flood when he was just a kid. Watching the water coming down their street as his dad was flooring the car to get the Hell out of Dodge.

That evening in 1997, I was listening to my scanner. A Yuba County sheriff deputy was attempting to locate two individuals trapped in a car due to the rising water.

The deputy was in his patrol vehicle, followed by two other deputies in a Bronco with a rubber boat on a trailer.

He rounded a curve in the road and was faced with a wall of water approaching his vehicle. The levee had failed south of Olivehurst.

I will never forget the sheer terror in his voice as he relayed the information to dispatch. He described his vehicle being inundated by the water.

He and the other deputies were able to get the boat off the trailer and got into it.

Their vehicles were lost, and the people they were attempting to rescue were lost.

I was sitting here listening to the radio, completely stunned.

Yes, it changes you.

All because of DWR greed.
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