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Could this be a seriously real way to EXIT THE MATRIX?

 
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Become interested in what you are. Cease being fascinated by your thoughts and feelings. Stop being interested in your neuroses and your feelings and your ideas and your projects. Become interested in your Self. Find out what is the nature of your Self.

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"Who are you if there is no dogma, no catechism, no hope, no heaven, no hell, no reincarnation, no tomorrow, no yesterday, no name, no gender, no relationships, no form.




What's left?"

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"Who are you if there is no dogma, no catechism, no hope, no heaven, no hell, no reincarnation, no tomorrow, no yesterday, no name, no gender, no relationships, no form.

What's left?"

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Me. Just me. Who am I? The conscious awareness of the present moment.
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Infinity mirror. Think games like Sim City etc, our own creation is well under way.

As to the perceived reality we are in right now - "Think of not what you see but what it took to produce what you see" Mandelbrot

Fractal. Self. Similarity.
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The fact this thread exists is almost testimony to that. I kid you not, this very subject has brought my life to a stand still for the last 4 days at the realization of most of this. Those near me project confusion and worry that I may have lost my mind. It is some real crazy stuff.
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The fact this thread exists is almost testimony to that. I kid you not, this very subject has brought my life to a stand still for the last 4 days at the realization of most of this. Those near me project confusion and worry that I may have lost my mind. It is some real crazy stuff.
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I'm interested in your experience. Can you describe more about how your view of the world has changed recently - and how that's different from the way you saw it before?
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Each time I allow myself to relax and look deeply and quietly, I see more and more that all there is only ever the inherently peaceful presence of infinite consciousness.

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The fact this thread exists is almost testimony to that. I kid you not, this very subject has brought my life to a stand still for the last 4 days at the realization of most of this. Those near me project confusion and worry that I may have lost my mind. It is some real crazy stuff.
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I'm interested in your experience. Can you describe more about how your view of the world has changed recently - and how that's different from the way you saw it before?
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I'll keep it short and sweet because this has absolutely shattered my own concept of reality this week. I have struggled to function and pushed the few I trust away by speaking in such manner. But the pattern is there if you listen to what they report.

DMT
OBE
NDE
Adinkra
Fractual Self reality

In my most humbel and unproven theory from listening to hours of this stuff:

DMT allows you to see the matrix, the very code that runs the perception of reality around us (the Adinkra). OBE is disconnect from the 'body' in this existance but still in the matrix boundaries. NDE reports are from where we all arrive at our final destination after fulfilling are required roles. From here, most report an initial sensation of well being and completeness and have no desire to return to their 'body'. Many descriptions of the events that unfold after describe darkness rolling in from everywhere around them - in essence, the matrix collapsing in on its self to reveal whats really there.

No matter what is reported next, Death is and always has been only the beginning. Our perception of who we are and what we have became continues beyond our current known reality.

It's the 1 of 2 events that happen after that which concern me. There is clear weight for heaven and hell scenarios and I say this as someone not practicing or following any religion. They do exist in the boundaries in which we can exist our selves.... lets just hope it's not on a server and attached to a plug with an on and off switch somewhere.

In some mad way, we're all like super mario bouncing around on a quest for coins - only it's hearts & love that appears to be the unanimous vote on what we are supposed to find here. It's not till we reach the end do we find out how we really done though and the weight on which that verdict is carried varies from person to person.

Press 'C' for compassion or 'H' to send them to hell.
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Probably the hardest thing to come to terms with the above was the notion that there really is 'life' after death and that the randomness of conviction to our destiny after only tore up deep concern for ones i had already lost in this reality sometime ago.

The other conclusion I had is that by all accounts relayed - by the words in which we have in our language to describe the closest association we have with such concept is that there is a god or creation with powers we would associate with god as written, one which is always represented as light and radiates an unimaginable sense of love on through sensory perception we continue with.

Like I said, my head is absolutely melted by this.
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The only self in you in My infinite Self. The I in you is My I - the only identity there is. There’s no question or possibility of another self approaching Me. There is no other self other than my Infinite Being.

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The only self in you in My infinite Self. The I in you is My I - the only identity there is. There’s no question or possibility of another self approaching Me. There is no other self other than my Infinite Being.

Rupert Spira
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So very appropriate for what is dubbed the life review. Everything we emitted is then received.
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Probably the hardest thing to come to terms with the above was the notion that there really is 'life' after death and that the randomness of conviction to our destiny after only tore up deep concern for ones i had already lost in this reality sometime ago.

The other conclusion I had is that by all accounts relayed - by the words in which we have in our language to describe the closest association we have with such concept is that there is a god or creation with powers we would associate with god as written, one which is always represented as light and radiates an unimaginable sense of love on through sensory perception we continue with.

Like I said, my head is absolutely melted by this.
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Thank you for sharing this. I can sense that you have been through and are continuing to go through a powerfully transformative and transforming experience.

All i can say is that if i was in your place, i would want someone who had my best interests at heart to steer me in a direction that would start the process of helping me sort out what i was experiencing.

For me, looking at your situation as you are describing it, if i was experiencing what you are experiencing, i would find it extraordinarily helpful to watch the following series of videos. They start off a little slow, but then build to an understanding of reality that i think could help you start finding your way through the intensity of your current situation. This is the first one:

[link to youtu.be (secure)]

Stay in touch and let me know how you're doing.

Good luck and blessings to you.
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Thank you so much for replying and for doing so with understanding to the weight of what by all means, was an accidental unfolding - in my eyes at least. The sincerity of what I say and have so far come to believe is evident in the manner I am pouring my soul out right now.

I am abundantly aware of my out right honest low IQ though and I won't pretend to even understand how all this works. I have never touched or intend to touch DMT, this is literally peeking behind the curtain, at that point I probably would lose focus on the here and now. But, I must emphasis that I haven't done that already. I don;t feel trapped here, i understand I need to be here and that i have a beautiful family around me which all ties into where I am heading next.

It's just been shattering realizing all this. Regardless of the whys and how's, right now I still ache for my brother and father and whether that is a only part of the coded structure of the matrix I am in in the sense of loss or whether they were part of this reality and moved on - right now, right now - I still hurt in their absence. It's here this need became apparent - but certainly not a need to escape or release from where i am now.
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Thank you so much for replying and for doing so with understanding to the weight of what by all means, was an accidental unfolding - in my eyes at least. The sincerity of what I say and have so far come to believe is evident in the manner I am pouring my soul out right now.

I am abundantly aware of my out right honest low IQ though and I won't pretend to even understand how all this works. I have never touched or intend to touch DMT, this is literally peeking behind the curtain, at that point I probably would lose focus on the here and now. But, I must emphasis that I haven't done that already. I don;t feel trapped here, i understand I need to be here and that i have a beautiful family around me which all ties into where I am heading next.

It's just been shattering realizing all this. Regardless of the whys and how's, right now I still ache for my brother and father and whether that is a only part of the coded structure of the matrix I am in in the sense of loss or whether they were part of this reality and moved on - right now, right now - I still hurt in their absence. It's here this need became apparent - but certainly not a need to escape or release from where i am now.
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Such craziness and distress this world can sometimes dish out. Again, I found much relief from the anguish and the sense of bewilderment i was carrying when someone turned me on to the videos i mentioned.

I wish you well.
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Vedanta is very close to the way I see the world and I enjoyed reading Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, but I don't believe it's entirely true.

I'm not special in any way.

The world is like a hologram, with each person a sort of whole and center of creation.

God exists outside of creation and holds every creature of creation in the center of his attention.

We cannot achieve our purpose in isolation.

It must be done in relationship.
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Vedanta is very close to the way I see the world and I enjoyed reading Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, but I don't believe it's entirely true.

I'm not special in any way.

The world is like a hologram, with each person a sort of whole and center of creation.

God exists outside of creation and holds every creature of creation in the center of his attention.

We cannot achieve our purpose in isolation.

It must be done in relationship.
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Thanks for your these thoughts. May I add the following:

God/Source/Awareness is all that exists - is all that is real because it is changeless. At the same time, apparent reality apparently exists as Maya or duality

As we apparently exist only by virtue of God/Source/Awareness, there's nothing to achieve - no purpose to achieve. The ideas of isolation and relationship can only exist in a dualistic world. SImilarly, achieving some purpose - any purpose - is an activity that could only exist in a dualistic, imperfect world.

So for me, all that is left is to surrender all my dualistic actions, thoughts, deeds and ideals to the One: God/Source/Awareness 24/7 and to live my life with that spirit of surrender constantly running in the background.

In this way, all 'my' burdens are gradually lifted. This is because my sense of doership - my sense of being an independently existing 'somebody' cannot sustain itself when I'm continuously in a mode acknowledging that God/Source/Awareness is all there is.

At the same time, life goes on. But like I said, the burden is much lighter. Life has become much more enjoyable.
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If you think there is another I in you other than My I, then explore your Self. Become interested in what you are.

Cease being fascinated by your thoughts and feelings. Stop being interested in your neuroses and your feelings and your ideas and your projects. Become interested in your Self.

Find out what is the nature of your Self.


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Hey OP, just a word of caution.

Never ever use this type of affirmations that you wrote in your vid:

I am always shinning
I am never changing

You can't even being to imagine the hell your subconscious mind goes through when you feed it those types of ridiculous affirmations.
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Vedanta is very close to the way I see the world and I enjoyed reading Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, but I don't believe it's entirely true.

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What part don't you believe is true?
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If you think there is another I in you other than My I, then explore your Self. Become interested in what you are.

Cease being fascinated by your thoughts and feelings. Stop being interested in your neuroses and your feelings and your ideas and your projects. Become interested in your Self.

Find out what is the nature of your Self.


Rupert Spira
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I appreciate being able to discuss this topic with people who have at least given due thought to this subject and therefore can offer there own perspective and insight, rather than becoming rattled at the notion of what do not so see and can not know for sure until our time has come. With that, please do not see any questioning as a challenge to anyones understanding or attempt to troll, I ask out of genuine curiosity!...

Have you listened to many N.D.E accounts and the stories relayed from those who have caught a glimpse on what lay beyond? If so, how is this explained in the teaching's that resonate with you closest?

Open question to anyone by the way!
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As your apparently separate self turns your attention away from all the objects that you’ve been busy with for so many decades, you turn your attention towards your true Self.

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Hey OP, just a word of caution.

Never ever use this type of affirmations that you wrote in your vid:

I am always shinning
I am never changing

You can't even being to imagine the hell your subconscious mind goes through when you feed it those types of ridiculous affirmations.
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I appreciate your words of caution, but I disagree with what you're suggesting.

'Always shining' and 'never changing' are ways of describing the qualities of the Awareness that's always, undeniably, silently there, operating in the background of our minds, 24/7.

The only 'ridiculous' thing about that is that most people never realize it.
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The rose becomes the nose to smell itself.
Nisargadatta Maharaj.
I wish Harmony, Love, Truth and Justice for all my brothers and sisters. With the United forces of the silent vibrations of our thoughts, we are strong, healthy and happy thus making a link of universal fraternity..
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If you think there is another I in you other than My I, then explore your Self. Become interested in what you are.

Cease being fascinated by your thoughts and feelings. Stop being interested in your neuroses and your feelings and your ideas and your projects. Become interested in your Self.

Find out what is the nature of your Self.


Rupert Spira
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I appreciate being able to discuss this topic with people who have at least given due thought to this subject and therefore can offer there own perspective and insight, rather than becoming rattled at the notion of what do not so see and can not know for sure until our time has come. With that, please do not see any questioning as a challenge to anyones understanding or attempt to troll, I ask out of genuine curiosity!...

Have you listened to many N.D.E accounts and the stories relayed from those who have caught a glimpse on what lay beyond? If so, how is this explained in the teaching's that resonate with you closest?

Open question to anyone by the way!
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To me, the phenomena of NDE (near death experiences) is confirmation of the truth that non-dual Awareness is continuous. In other words, our experience of awareness (that always runs in the background) does not end at death. By inference then, we can also say that it precedes birth.
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I understand what you are saying now. I'm not sure who this guy is speaking at the timecode marked but he just summed everything up in a way that has yet again blown my head apart. I understand how it fits together from what I had worked out up to this point and can actually take some comfort knowing that I wasn't going mad but have in fact slowly followed a path towards a better understanding of the reality around me.

I can;t tell you how much this has actually helped me get through what has been by all accounts - a very dark week. If anyone can name the speaker, I would love to listen to some more of his insight and understanding.


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I understand what you are saying now. I'm not sure who this guy is speaking at the timecode marked but he just summed everything up in a way that has yet again blown my head apart. I understand how it fits together from what I had worked out up to this point and can actually take some comfort knowing that I wasn't going mad but have in fact slowly followed a path towards a better understanding of the reality around me.

I can;t tell you how much this has actually helped me get through what has been by all accounts - a very dark week. If anyone can name the speaker, I would love to listen to some more of his insight and understanding.



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Apologies, time code did not come across in the URL. The talk of interest starts at 10:30 mark.
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I understand what you are saying now. I'm not sure who this guy is speaking at the timecode marked but he just summed everything up in a way that has yet again blown my head apart. I understand how it fits together from what I had worked out up to this point and can actually take some comfort knowing that I wasn't going mad but have in fact slowly followed a path towards a better understanding of the reality around me.

I can;t tell you how much this has actually helped me get through what has been by all accounts - a very dark week. If anyone can name the speaker, I would love to listen to some more of his insight and understanding.



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Apologies, time code did not come across in the URL. The talk of interest starts at 10:30 mark.
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His name is Alan Watts. He's brilliant. You'll find lots of youtubes of him.
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Vedanta translates as the End of Vedas. May be you have to know the Vedas too ... joking.
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I understand what you are saying now. I'm not sure who this guy is speaking at the timecode marked but he just summed everything up in a way that has yet again blown my head apart. I understand how it fits together from what I had worked out up to this point and can actually take some comfort knowing that I wasn't going mad but have in fact slowly followed a path towards a better understanding of the reality around me.

I can;t tell you how much this has actually helped me get through what has been by all accounts - a very dark week. If anyone can name the speaker, I would love to listen to some more of his insight and understanding.



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Apologies, time code did not come across in the URL. The talk of interest starts at 10:30 mark.
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His name is Alan Watts. He's brilliant. You'll find lots of youtubes of him.
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Thank you! Onward I go :)
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I have always had trouble wrapping my mind around this. Not that I thought it was rubbish, but I didn't "get" it. After watching the video, I think I understand, at least to some degree. In the simplest explanation I can come up with.....We are all pieces of the universal consciousness. Together, we are the universe. One day, the universe got bored and created a virtual reality Sims game where it/we could have multiple experiences. Good and bad, light and dark, yin and yang, is the universe playing cops and robbers so to speak...I would venture to say that parallel universes are different editions of the game. Of course there is so much more to it,but that's the way my brain is trying to process it.....





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