IMPORTANT! From a Native American Elder - relevant perspective for you people!

The Native American Elder also said it was the white man who took away the black man's freedom. As a matter of fact, it was not. A black slave owner (yes, black) decided to not release his black indentured servants after their time was up and insisted that all blacks remain slaves from that point on. So to say it was whites is just ignorant bullcrap designed to make the white man guilty yet again. More globalist rhetoric!

please forgive your hot button programming being set off in favor of the deeper, more important revelations that you could take from the rest of the thread. I ask this in good faith.

god bless you. amen.

You are so funny! Telling the truth is not "hot button programming" but your need to answer every post that doesn't agree with you is very telling. We get it - you just want your globalist anti-white garbage spewing to be agreed with. It won't work so just give it up. We see right through your flowery "god bless you" lines. Talk is so cheap. Your actions and words don't agree.

Got to love historical revisionism. The Amerindians of today, are a domesticated people. Research, "Mourning War's".

Ah, the myth of the "noble savage". So 1960ish. All natives honorable, honest, with 100% best intentions. All whites selfish, Machiavellian, and greedy. So simple, so intellectually dishonest. So wrong.

What a crock of shit!

Sounds like it was written by maxine waters pretending to be elizebeth warren pretending to be an indian!

please intelligent readers of the internet, let your voices be heard

it's easy to think our civilization is full of a motley band of complete idiots when the tactless and immature are the only ones making noise

remember, there is good... and to the silent majority, your voice will be heard...


there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for

Wow! I can't even express all the thoughts and feelings going through me right now!

All I know is we have this place called earth, it is broken into continents, broken into countries, into states, into cities, into suburbs, districts, municipalities, etc. I guess you can call it a BOX!

I won't go into my ethnicity/race/gender/class/etc. again I guess you can call it a BOX!

I now realize my intuition is not off! Back to basics and let's get this right this time. I would love to go back to a simple way of life! Not easy but rewarding. God knows!

Thank you OP! I will be ordering the book you suggested. You have no idea how much your posts settled my intuition.

:merylthis:

If there's any major thing I wanted to express by posting the original post,
it was meant to be in line with the spirit of which all of the great things the founding fathers of this country had in mind and empowered them as convicted individuals to act...

the freedom to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

we denied this to the original inhabitants... and guess what? we are denying it to ourselves. why? and what can we do about it?

we created this country to escape cages, and yet we built new ones for ourselves

the whole ethnocentrism debacle is just another one of those cages that folks seems to be stubbornly clutching onto

but don't worry... it's influence will wane... it will be a funny thing of the past... we will tell our grandchildren "yes, back then, sometimes a person would only think that the people that looked like them were the real people, and that they weren't even related to anyone else, because they looked different! and they were very sensitive about this issue..."

and our grandchildren will laugh in disbelief

this thread isn't to make white people look bad. it's not to say natives are better. obviously we would like to think that if they had it all figured out they wouldn't have been obliterated, right? they trusted the europeans people. and the europeans abused that trust and slaughtered them en masse. It was not our generation that was killed or did the killing, but remember, it did happen, and the present is a product of the past.

There is wisdom to be learned from the past. How can we improve if we keep making the same mistakes over and over?

There was two different ways of thinking, two different ways of life... and if we want to know which had the better ideas to offer, we shouldn't look at primarily who WON- the victors all too often write the history- but instead we should look at, who was happier? Who had more togetherness? Who truly lived by the values which are the obvious noble values of humanity?

Of course many folks will come out of the woodwork to exclaim, but there was violent native tribes too! there was still murderers, rapists, theft, war! yes, this is true. But riddle me this... why are our depression statistics so high? And why are people attracted to native ways of thinking, that help them find peace of mind and make positive, conscious choices?

We must judge a philosophy by its effectiveness at creating happy people... with a sense of purpose, a sense of togetherness, and a CLEAR CONSCIENCE

We can combine our strengths towards the brightest future

God bless us all. Amen!

Wow! I can't even express all the thoughts and feelings going through me right now!

All I know is we have this place called earth, it is broken into continents, broken into countries, into states, into cities, into suburbs, districts, municipalities, etc. I guess you can call it a BOX!

I won't go into my ethnicity/race/gender/class/etc. again I guess you can call it a BOX!

I now realize my intuition is not off! Back to basics and let's get this right this time. I would love to go back to a simple way of life! Not easy but rewarding. God knows!

Thank you OP! I will be ordering the book you suggested. You have no idea how much your posts settled my intuition.

Ethnocentrism, is not a cage, it is a fact of reality. Most people are stupid morons, and yearn for the way things where, before the 20th century, when the Bolsheviks swarmed into America by the millions.

The only ones who attack ethnocentrism, are inferior races, who want access to another people. The Mongoloid's are consummate liars, who where forcibly made into a "semi peaceable people".

No, you can follow your god Satan, where ever you will. In the end, the goal of you and your father, is the extermination of Caucasian's, just like what that "noble" semi Mongoloid Amerindian's ancestors did.

As for the Amerindian's, they slaughtered whites on sight, just like they did to the original Caucasian inhabitants of this land.

Your a damnable demon.

Please take the time out of your day, should not be more than 4 minutes, to read this transcription of a conversation with a native American elder. It is relevant in many ways to the feelings of a great part of the people!

"I think the most important thing for white people is freedom. The most important thing for Indian people is honor. This is why white people have listened to the black people more than to us Indians. The black people want freedom, too, just like white people. And since the white people took freedom from the black people, the whites feel guilty about the blacks. You see what I'm saying?

But the Indian has always been free. We are free today. We have always been freer than the white man, even when he first came here. When you came to our shore your people wore clothes made out of chains. Our people wore nothing at all. Yet you tried to bring us freedom.

The white world puts all the power at the top. When someone gets to the top, they have the power to take your freedom. When your people first came to our land they were trying to get away from those people at the top. But they still thought the same, and soon there were new people at the top in the new country. It is just the way you were taught to think.

In your churches there is someone at the top. In your schools, too. In your government. In your business. There is always someone at the top and that person has the right to say whether you are good or bad. They own you.

No wonder Americans always worry about freedom. You have so damn little of it. If you don't protect it, someone will take it away from you. You have to guard it every second, like a dog guards a bone.

When you came among us, you couldn't understand our way. You wanted to find the person at the top. You wanted to find the fences that bound us in- how far our land went, how far our government went. Your world was made of cages and you thought ours was, too. Even though you hated your cages you believed in them. They defined your world and you needed them to define ours.

Our old people noticed this from the beginning. They said that the white man lived in a world of cages, and that if we didn't look out, they would make us live in a world of cages too.

So we started noticing. Everything looked like cages. Your clothes fit like cages. Your houses looked like cages. You put fences around your yards so they looked like cages. Everything was a cage. You turned the land into cages. Little squares.

Then after you had all these cages you made a government to protect these cages. And that government was all cages. All laws about what you couldn't do. The only freedom you had was inside your own cage. Then you wondered why you weren't happy and didn't feel free. You made all the cages, then you wondered why you didn't feel free.

We Indians never thought that way. Everyone was free. We didn't make cages of laws or land. We believed in honor. To us the white man looked like a blind man walking. He knew he was on the wrong path when he bumped into the edge of one of the cages. Our guide was inside, not outside. It was honor. It was more important for us to know what was right than to know what was wrong.

We looked at the animals and saw what was right. We saw how the deer would trick the more powerful animals and how the bear would make her children strong by running them without mercy. We saw how the buffalo would stand and watch until it understood. We saw how every animal had wisdom and we tried to learn that wisdom. We would look to them to see how they got along and how they raised their young. Then we would copy them. We did not look for what was wrong. Instead we always reached for what was right.

It was this search that kept us on a good path, not rules and fences. We wanted honor for ourselves and our families. We wanted others to say, 'He is a good man. He is as brave as the bear' or 'as clean as the fox.' We had freedom so we did not seek it. We sought honor, and honor was duty. The man who sought freedom was just running from duty, so he was weak.

The only time freedom is important is when others are trying to put you into chains. We had no chains so we needed no freedom. The world your people brought saw everything in terms of freedom. We have always had our freedom so you had nothing of value to give us. All you could do is take it away and give it back to us in the form of cages.

That is what you did when you took our land and tried to give it back to us in allotments. You took all our Indian land and gave it back to us in squares and said, 'You now have the freedom to be farmers and ranchers.' We didn't want to be farmers and ranchers. We had been farmers when we had to. But we didn't want to be told to be farmers.

When we didn't farm you got angry and couldn't understand. 'We have given you the freedom to have your own land and be farmers.' you said. 'And you aren't doing anything.' To us, all you had done is given us our own cage.

If you take an animal from the woods or the prairie and give him a house inside a fence, is that giving him freedom? No. All it is doing is taking away his honor, because if he accepts it, he is no longer free.

Yet that is what you did to us. 'Either accept this cage or be killed' is what you told us. You took our honor and gave us your freedom. And even you know that is no freedom at all. It is just the freedom to live inside your own locked cage.

Here is what I really think. White people are jealous of us. If it hadn't been for your religion you would have lived just like us from the first minute you got to this land. You knew we were right. You started wearing our clothes. You started eating our food. You learned how to hunt like us. When you fought the English you even fought like us.

You came to this country because you really wanted to be like us. But when you got here you got scared and tried to build the same cages you had run away from. If you had listened to us instead of trying to convert us and kill us, what a country this would be."

God Bless America. Amen. Let us all do our part

This excerpt was taken from a book called Neither Wolf Nor Dog, an account of conversations with a Native American elder. It has affected many people very deeply. You can buy it for a cent online and 4 dollars shipping in many places. I recommend you read it.

God bless you all

And honestly, please learn about history and do not speak so bluntly. You have no idea what it feels like for the Native people of any country to have been completely slaughtered and wiped out and then completely misunderstood, so do not pretend to know the truth that absolves you of guilt

Maybe you are supposed to feel guilty. Maybe guilt is supposed to teach us what is wrong so that we do what is right. Stop running. Face the facts.

most Beautiful people that ever have been

~ Bless you

If there's any major thing I wanted to express by posting the original post,
it was meant to be in line with the spirit of which all of the great things the founding fathers of this country had in mind and empowered them as convicted individuals to act...

the freedom to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

we denied this to the original inhabitants... and guess what? we are denying it to ourselves. why? and what can we do about it?

we created this country to escape cages, and yet we built new ones for ourselves

the whole ethnocentrism debacle is just another one of those cages that folks seems to be stubbornly clutching onto

but don't worry... it's influence will wane... it will be a funny thing of the past... we will tell our grandchildren "yes, back then, sometimes a person would only think that the people that looked like them were the real people, and that they weren't even related to anyone else, because they looked different! and they were very sensitive about this issue..."

and our grandchildren will laugh in disbelief

this thread isn't to make white people look bad. it's not to say natives are better. obviously we would like to think that if they had it all figured out they wouldn't have been obliterated, right? they trusted the europeans people. and the europeans abused that trust and slaughtered them en masse. It was not our generation that was killed or did the killing, but remember, it did happen, and the present is a product of the past.

There is wisdom to be learned from the past. How can we improve if we keep making the same mistakes over and over?

There was two different ways of thinking, two different ways of life... and if we want to know which had the better ideas to offer, we shouldn't look at primarily who WON- the victors all too often write the history- but instead we should look at, who was happier? Who had more togetherness? Who truly lived by the values which are the obvious noble values of humanity?

Of course many folks will come out of the woodwork to exclaim, but there was violent native tribes too! there was still murderers, rapists, theft, war! yes, this is true. But riddle me this... why are our depression statistics so high? And why are people attracted to native ways of thinking, that help them find peace of mind and make positive, conscious choices?

We must judge a philosophy by its effectiveness at creating happy people... with a sense of purpose, a sense of togetherness, and a CLEAR CONSCIENCE

We can combine our strengths towards the brightest future

God bless us all. Amen!