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User ID: 72185505 Russia 04/01/2017 05:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why would prisoners resist a break out by virtually their brother and on top of that threaten to kill him? Quoting: BHZP 73378759 This is as synthetic of a fabrication as exist. The whole "return" ignores the selfdelivered prerequisite and anticipatable charachter developement. Care to expand on this ? |
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BHZP User ID: 73378759 Germany 04/01/2017 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why would prisoners resist a break out by virtually their brother and on top of that threaten to kill him? Quoting: BHZP 73378759 This is as synthetic of a fabrication as exist. The whole "return" ignores the selfdelivered prerequisite and anticipatable charachter developement. Care to expand on this ? You put three people in a room, since their birth they've been there. They've grown old enough to communicate and even issue death threats. Yet they never attemted to escape before. They know each other since birth and they know the shadows since birth. There is no reason why the two remaining should trust the shadow more than their fellow inmate. I can see how lazy people will fall for such reasoning though as it conveniently delivers a hypothetical "truth" based on fiction. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60394945 United Kingdom 04/01/2017 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You guys know Aristotle completely rejected Plato and basically called him a fool. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74201973 No he didn't. They disagreed on one point: Plato stated that the soul was prior to matter - that the soul/mind was eternal and was independent of matter. Aristotle stated that matter was prior to soul - that without matter there was no soul/mind. |
BHZP User ID: 73378759 Germany 04/01/2017 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is simple. It is because we have no way of "seeing" is real with our own eyes before we are born and after we die. Maybe we will know once we die and have another reality we will see to which we can then compare our former life, the views we had in it and the sight with which it presented itself to us. derp. |
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User ID: 74516824 United States 04/01/2017 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You guys know Aristotle completely rejected Plato and basically called him a fool. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74201973 No he didn't. They disagreed on one point: Plato stated that the soul was prior to matter - that the soul/mind was eternal and was independent of matter. Aristotle stated that matter was prior to soul - that without matter there was no soul/mind. Correct |
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User ID: 74516824 United States 04/01/2017 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Welcome to the desert of the real... Dark City...full movie...enjoy [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Last Edited by PIR on 04/01/2017 01:27 PM |
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User ID: 74592241 Russia 04/01/2017 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why would prisoners resist a break out by virtually their brother and on top of that threaten to kill him? Quoting: BHZP 73378759 This is as synthetic of a fabrication as exist. The whole "return" ignores the selfdelivered prerequisite and anticipatable charachter developement. Care to expand on this ? You put three people in a room, since their birth they've been there. They've grown old enough to communicate and even issue death threats. Yet they never attemted to escape before. They know each other since birth and they know the shadows since birth. There is no reason why the two remaining should trust the shadow more than their fellow inmate. I can see how lazy people will fall for such reasoning though as it conveniently delivers a hypothetical "truth" based on fiction. Yeah i can understand where you're going. However, escaping Plato's cave was not about finding the Truth. In my understanding, you're only escaping the cave through and by imagination. You detach from the shadows show presented on the cave's walls and go "outside" inside yourself, roaming the places you never cared to visit because you were chained on your place by the very show you were focused on watching. The only truth that you may find in your escapement is that you are a prisoner of your own will and that you can be free also only by your own will. That in itself may be a hard truth for some to digest ? Last Edited by Gero Nimo on 04/01/2017 01:31 PM |
BHZP User ID: 73378759 Germany 04/01/2017 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why would prisoners resist a break out by virtually their brother and on top of that threaten to kill him? Quoting: BHZP 73378759 This is as synthetic of a fabrication as exist. The whole "return" ignores the selfdelivered prerequisite and anticipatable charachter developement. Care to expand on this ? You put three people in a room, since their birth they've been there. They've grown old enough to communicate and even issue death threats. Yet they never attemted to escape before. They know each other since birth and they know the shadows since birth. There is no reason why the two remaining should trust the shadow more than their fellow inmate. I can see how lazy people will fall for such reasoning though as it conveniently delivers a hypothetical "truth" based on fiction. Yeah i can understand where you're going. However, escaping Plato's cave was not about finding the Truth. In my understanding, you're only escaping the cave through and by imagination. You detach from the shadows show presented on the cave's walls and go "outside" inside yourself, roaming the places you never cared to visit because you were chained on your place by the very show you were focused on watching. The only truth that you may find in your escapement is that you are a prisoner of your own will and that you can be free also only by your own will. That in itself may be a hard truth for some to digest ? Indeed. Your interpretation reminds me unwillingly of the tricks our ego will play on us, in order to maintain it's own equillibrium. Some rather wallow in known pain, as opposed to applying an unknown cure which is vouched for by someone else. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60394945 United Kingdom 04/01/2017 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You put three people in a room, since their birth they've been there. They've grown old enough to communicate and even issue death threats. Yet they never attemted to escape before. They know each other since birth and they know the shadows since birth. There is no reason why the two remaining should trust the shadow more than their fellow inmate. I can see how lazy people will fall for such reasoning though as it conveniently delivers a hypothetical "truth" based on fiction. Yeah i can understand where you're going. However, escaping Plato's cave was not about finding the Truth. In my understanding, you're only escaping the cave through and by imagination. You detach from the shadows show presented on the cave's walls and go "outside" inside yourself, roaming the places you never cared to visit because you were chained on your place by the very show you were focused on watching. The only truth that you may find in your escapement is that you are a prisoner of your own will and that you can be free also only by your own will. That in itself may be a hard truth for some to digest ? Indeed. Your interpretation reminds me unwillingly of the tricks our ego will play on us ^What does this mean?^ How does 'your' ego play tricks on 'you'? It is 'your' ego that just thought and wrote that so how are you seperating your ego from your identity? Your ego is your identity... |
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BHZP User ID: 73378759 Germany 04/01/2017 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is 'your' ego that just thought and wrote that so how are you seperating your ego from your identity? Your ego is your identity... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60394945 What makes you assume all this? Ego. So it is your ego telling me that I can not split myself from ego? |
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BHZP User ID: 73378759 Germany 04/01/2017 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is 'your' ego that just thought and wrote that so how are you seperating your ego from your identity? Your ego is your identity... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60394945 What makes you assume all this? Ego. So it is your ego telling me that I can not split myself from ego? > the tricks our ego will play on us, in order to maintain it's own equillibrium |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60394945 United Kingdom 04/01/2017 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is 'your' ego that just thought and wrote that so how are you seperating your ego from your identity? Your ego is your identity... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60394945 What makes you assume all this? Ego. So it is your ego telling me that I can not split myself from ego? Outside of ego, what self are you referring to? |
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