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Signs in the Heavens That Google Sky Was Hiding, Red Dragon of Revelation, September 23rd

 
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How is this a red dragon? Is there something I am missing? It doesn't look like a dragon, so I think there must be some other reason OP is calling it a dragon.

No disputing that it looks red though.
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I'm still asking if this is even real?
 Quoting: bigD111

Yes it is real. Wgat it is can be discerned differently, e.g. the red dragon, the red kachina.
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Or just a double image of Saturn from 1983.
THIS SEEMS TO BE THE REVELATION 12 SIGN

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No. The "red dragon" on the left is simply a double image of Saturn from the IRAS telescope in 1983. There are multiple versions of the IRAS data, google sky uses the "Improved Reprocessing of the IRAS Survey" also known as IRIS. The IRIS version has been recalibrated and that particular section was removed since the major planets are not supposed to be part of all-sky surveys. IRAS had to complete its scan of the entire (or almost the entire) sky in about a year of time before its coolant ran out. Once the cryogenic coolant was exhausted the telescope's own internal heat washed out the long wavelength far infrared part of the spectrum it was surveying. Thus there was no time to wait for Saturn to "move out of the way" for the survey to go back and scan that part of the sky without Saturn in it. In fact IRAS was designed to scan the sky line by line with a single column of pixels, and as a result of the way it scanned the sky, Saturn was captured twice at two different time points resulting in a "double image" of the planet.
[link to skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov (secure)]

If you look up the raw data tables on the IRAS data, you'll find that this area of the sky was scanned on two dates, July 14 1983 and July 24 1983.
[link to irsa.ipac.caltech.edu]

The above link appears to be a temporary directory created when I called up the tables that correspond to those coordinates, but it will probably be removed after a certain period of time, so I downloaded a couple of the scan tables and uploaded them here for future reference, they are the .tbl files:
[link to dropcanvas.com]

UTCS in the above scan tables refers to seconds from the date January 1, 1981. Adding the seconds seen in those scan tables to that date you arrive at July 14 and July 24, 1983. Now take the coordinates of Saturn as seen from earth on those two dates and plug them back into IRAS raw image search (accessible here: [link to irsa.ipac.caltech.edu] ):
July 14 1983 coordinates:
13h 47m 56.27s -08d 28' 02.9"
July 24 1983 coordinates:
13h 48m 57.41s -08d 36' 36.4"

Here are the resulting charts, the cyan crosshairs show where those coordinates match up with the IRAS data:
July 14 1983 coordinates:
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
July 24 1983 coordinates:
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]

A perfect match in both cases. These grayscale images are from the 12 micron band. You can take those coordinates into SkyView Virtual Observatory ( [link to skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov (secure)] ) and generate color versions if you like. The 100 micron band with the "Prism" color table selected appears to be what was featured above in your photo:
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]

You'll note the black box is there again in the IRIS data, but not in the original IRAS data which is also available from SkyView.

The arrow on the right side of your chart simply points to CW Leonis, which is an infrared bright carbon star light years away.
CW Leonis (visible vs infrared light):
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
Parallax comparison between May and now:
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
No detectable parallax present, so it really is many light years away; if it were in our solar system or even within a couple of light years we would be observing noticeable amounts of parallax between those two images.
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Keep it up Doctor Mutt! Your pitching a shutout.

Last night I spent time looking at all the blank spots on Google Earth in the Antarctic and pondering the strange names. I understand Google Moon has it's share of weirdness too. Now this. The hair stood up on my neck while reading this thread.

Earth. Moon and Sky and Google lies.
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The end is near... You ACs should drink your Kool Aid now.
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You realize this is your 3rd or 4th post with absolutely no substance at all, just scoffing and mocking?

Just pointing it out. If you want to participate in a 'forum' you might want to provide something of actual substance for people to read.
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Show me the verse that says it will occur after the festival is already over.
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Hebrew calendar days are from sunset to sunset. Go back and read again and stop leaping to knock down something you have no understanding of.
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Yes, sunset on the 20st to sunset on the 22nd. I understand it better than you do, apparently.
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The end is near... You ACs should drink your Kool Aid now.
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You realize this is your 3rd or 4th post with absolutely no substance at all, just scoffing and mocking?

Just pointing it out. If you want to participate in a 'forum' you might want to provide something of actual substance for people to read.
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Like quotes from a fairy tale book?

Thou shalt suck it.
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Yes, sunset on the 20st to sunset on the 22nd. I understand it better than you do, apparently.
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Want to try that again?
 Quoting: The Gentle Astromut


or not?

which in 2017 is expected to either begin on the evening of September 21st and end on the evening of the 22nd (if the 2% illuminated moon is sighted) or begin on the evening of the 22nd and end on the evening of the 23rd

It relies on 2 witnesses. Yes, modern day Israel will set it based on calculations so they can have a reliable world system; however, it doesn't fulfill the requirements of God.
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The end is near... You ACs should drink your Kool Aid now.
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You realize this is your 3rd or 4th post with absolutely no substance at all, just scoffing and mocking?

Just pointing it out. If you want to participate in a 'forum' you might want to provide something of actual substance for people to read.
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Like quotes from a fairy tale book?

Thou shalt suck it.
 Quoting: Duckbutter1776


How about this...
"No man shall know the time of my coming."

Are ye men?
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The end is near... You ACs should drink your Kool Aid now.
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You realize this is your 3rd or 4th post with absolutely no substance at all, just scoffing and mocking?

Just pointing it out. If you want to participate in a 'forum' you might want to provide something of actual substance for people to read.
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Like quotes from a fairy tale book?

Thou shalt suck it.
 Quoting: Duckbutter1776


Yes, have a thought of your own you'd like to share on the topic or are you just an alt account for Dr Mut trying to make everyone think he has a point?
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Mystery solved, thanks for posting.
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"No man shall know the time of my coming."
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You like random bible verses?

“The Rock, his work is perfect,
for all his ways are justice.
A God of faithfulness and without iniquity,
just and upright is he.”


Why do you think what you said has anything to do with this thread?
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This is where scientific minds and faith collide.
This sign is scientifically observable but takes understanding and discernment to complete.

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Once again, changing the rules to whatever they need to be to fit the date you want. That's called shoe horning.
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If by 'changing the rules' you mean adhering to a rule given 1000s of years before you were born.

Sure.

DOrolleyes
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Show me the verse that says it will occur after the festival is already over.
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What is the day right after the holiday? Is that not the most revered of all days? Are you Jewish? By posting today, you are not. Neither am I, but I live among them and have studied Patristic Theology. Please don't mislead. This occurred with prior posts you submitted.
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Thread: The rapture is FALSE DOCTRINE

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8/10 was not a feast day
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Neither is September 23rd.
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Good job shooting yourself in the foot.
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Shabbat Shuvah ("Sabbath [of] Return") refers to the Shabbat that occurs during the Ten Days of Repentance between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. Only one Shabbat can occur between these dates. This Shabbat is named after the first word of the Haftarah (Hosea 14:2-10) and literally means "Return!" It is perhaps a play on, but not to be confused with, the word Teshuvah (the word for repentance).

Shabbat Shuva begins at sundown on Fri, September 22, 2017, which is September 23rd through September 23, 2017 at sundown.



So yeah...September 23rd IS A Feast Day.


I can't understand why Astromut is argumentative about The Feast Of The Tabernacles.

Only once in the history of our flesh Earth age is this alignment which fulfills Revelation 12.


Other activities in the Heavens may be close but not exact as Revelation 12 describes.

The other activities happened and the Fig Tree was been established 1948...
So God's Perfect Timeline must be followed...

Revelation 12 happens September 23, 2017...

We ARE in the last generation.

I am the one who remains in the field and works towards completing God's Perfect Plan...Not the one taken who is deceived by the false teaching of the rapture theory.

Remember the signs in the sky are benchmarks on God's Perfect Timeline and are type and shadows of things to come.
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"No man shall know the time of my coming."
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You like random bible verses?

“The Rock, his work is perfect,
for all his ways are justice.
A God of faithfulness and without iniquity,
just and upright is he.”


Why do you think what you said has anything to do with this thread?
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Because it(like most of your book) contradicts what your saying. Same as your JUST and PERFECT good who is a slave to such imperfect human emotions as ANGER JEALOUSY, and JUDGMENT.

Don't get mad that smart people won't buy into the same horror stories as you.
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Oh my goodness. Another doom date about to pass with believers touting SOON and arguing right up to the day they believe will be the Big Event that Ends It (mostly)?

How 2012. And 2008. And 2007. And 2003. And 2000. And 1999. And so on.

After this date has passed similarly, with nary a hiccup, rather than learn from their repeated mistakes, observe the True Believers as they will simply grasp onto the next DOOM date, and the process will repeat. It is extremely sad to witness.

Oh, and they will be pissed off that Astro was right (again) and give him no credit whatsoever.
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Yes, sunset on the 20st to sunset on the 22nd. I understand it better than you do, apparently.
[link to www.myjewishlearning.com]
Want to try that again?
 Quoting: The Gentle Astromut


or not?

which in 2017 is expected to either begin on the evening of September 21st and end on the evening of the 22nd (if the 2% illuminated moon is sighted) or begin on the evening of the 22nd and end on the evening of the 23rd

It relies on 2 witnesses. Yes, modern day Israel will set it based on calculations so they can have a reliable world system; however, it doesn't fulfill the requirements of God.
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The new moon is on the 20th. Funny how you didn't cite the wikipedia page you plagiarized there, didn't want people to see the warning at the top that its sources are to be considered unreliable? Hmmm. Anyway, tell you what, myself and a buddy will get together and make sure to sight the new moon before the 22nd. Doom is officially off then. Woohoo.
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"No man shall know the time of my coming."
 Quoting: Duckbutter1776


You like random bible verses?

“The Rock, his work is perfect,
for all his ways are justice.
A God of faithfulness and without iniquity,
just and upright is he.”


Why do you think what you said has anything to do with this thread?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73098933


Because it(like most of your book) contradicts what your saying. Same as your JUST and PERFECT good who is a slave to such imperfect human emotions as ANGER JEALOUSY, and JUDGMENT.

Don't get mad that smart people won't buy into the same horror stories as you.
 Quoting: Duckbutter1776


^GOD not good. Really wouldn't want to confuse your idea of god with good.
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Re: Signs in the Heavens That Google Sky Was Hiding, Red Dragon of Revelation, September 23rd
Dearest AstroMutt,

I can't download programs or I would do it myself.

So I am asking how many times before has this same alignment happened and can you post the dates if you reply?

Would be good to see if anything significant happened in the past.

Thanks.

Will bookmark this and look back later for response.
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8/10 was not a feast day
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Neither is September 23rd.
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Good job shooting yourself in the foot.
 Quoting: The Gentle Astromut





Shabbat Shuvah ("Sabbath [of] Return") refers to the Shabbat that occurs during the Ten Days of Repentance between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. Only one Shabbat can occur between these dates. This Shabbat is named after the first word of the Haftarah (Hosea 14:2-10) and literally means "Return!" It is perhaps a play on, but not to be confused with, the word Teshuvah (the word for repentance).

Shabbat Shuva begins at sundown on Fri, September 22, 2017, which is September 23rd through September 23, 2017 at sundown.



So yeah...September 23rd IS A Feast Day.


I can't understand why Astromut is argumentative about The Feast Of The Tabernacles.

Only once in the history of our flesh Earth age is this alignment which fulfills Revelation 12.


Other activities in the Heavens may be close but not exact as Revelation 12 describes.

The other activities happened and the Fig Tree was been established 1948...
So God's Perfect Timeline must be followed...

Revelation 12 happens September 23, 2017...

We ARE in the last generation.

I am the one who remains in the field and works towards completing God's Perfect Plan...Not the one taken who is deceived by the false teaching of the rapture theory.

Remember the signs in the sky are benchmarks on God's Perfect Timeline and are type and shadows of things to come.
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[congratulatory statement to AC73284061].

[derisive remark to 'astroTards'].

[self-congratulatory statement].

Am I doing this right DuckButter1776?
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As a Christian, this is the best conspiracy out there right now. Lines up perfectly with Rev 12. We'll see. Lofts doom lining up.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This event has nothing to do with Religion. It's a Natural Cycle that has been taking place for Billions of Years. So you can leave the Fairy Stories and Man Made Constructs out of it.
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8/10 was not a feast day
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Neither is September 23rd.
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Good job shooting yourself in the foot.
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Shabbat Shuvah ("Sabbath [of] Return") refers to the Shabbat that occurs during the Ten Days of Repentance between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. Only one Shabbat can occur between these dates. This Shabbat is named after the first word of the Haftarah (Hosea 14:2-10) and literally means "Return!" It is perhaps a play on, but not to be confused with, the word Teshuvah (the word for repentance).

Shabbat Shuva begins at sundown on Fri, September 22, 2017, which is September 23rd through September 23, 2017 at sundown.



So yeah...September 23rd IS A Feast Day.


I can't understand why Astromut is argumentative about The Feast Of The Tabernacles.

Only once in the history of our flesh Earth age is this alignment which fulfills Revelation 12.


Other activities in the Heavens may be close but not exact as Revelation 12 describes.

The other activities happened and the Fig Tree was been established 1948...
So God's Perfect Timeline must be followed...

Revelation 12 happens September 23, 2017...

We ARE in the last generation.

I am the one who remains in the field and works towards completing God's Perfect Plan...Not the one taken who is deceived by the false teaching of the rapture theory.

Remember the signs in the sky are benchmarks on God's Perfect Timeline and are type and shadows of things to come.
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[congratulatory statement to AC73284061].

[derisive remark to 'astroTards'].

[self-congratulatory statement].

Am I doing this right DuckButter1776?
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By avoiding my last posts and failing to make a point? Yeah nailed it.
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8/10 was not a feast day
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Neither is September 23rd.
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Good job shooting yourself in the foot.
 Quoting: The Gentle Astromut





Shabbat Shuvah ("Sabbath [of] Return") refers to the Shabbat that occurs during the Ten Days of Repentance between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. Only one Shabbat can occur between these dates. This Shabbat is named after the first word of the Haftarah (Hosea 14:2-10) and literally means "Return!" It is perhaps a play on, but not to be confused with, the word Teshuvah (the word for repentance).

Shabbat Shuva begins at sundown on Fri, September 22, 2017, which is September 23rd through September 23, 2017 at sundown.



So yeah...September 23rd IS A Feast Day.
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Shabbat Shuva isn't a feast day, but whatever. Now we're changing what a Hebrew Feast Day is. There are 7 feasts, that isn't one of them.
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It also isn't what you guys were saying just a moment ago had to coincide with this sign, Rosh Hashanah.
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I guess they ran out of straws to grasp
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By avoiding my last posts and failing to make a point? Yeah nailed it.
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Do I get my degree from Stanford now? I ignored your posts because its just complaining about how you don't like someone you've never met.

The whole God is a meany so isn't my God narrative has been done to death (and usually by extremely violent and hateful people) so no I'm not going to derail the thread on that.
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I guess they ran out of straws to grasp
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Lol, that happens.
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The only date(s) that matters is when did this alignment happen in the past and if there were any historically significant events that occurred.
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Revelation chapter 12 is an old myth you dumbasses
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By avoiding my last posts and failing to make a point? Yeah nailed it.
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Do I get my degree from Stanford now? I ignored your posts because its just complaining about how you don't like someone you've never met.

The whole God is a meany so isn't my God narrative has been done to death (and usually by extremely violent and hateful people) so no I'm not going to derail the thread on that.
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What's been done to death is "the signs are here... It's the end... The Bible told me so." What I use is called Logic. I could see why you avoid that component in your beliefs.
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Revelation chapter 12 is an old myth you dumbasses
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Probably the most literate and well informed statement made on this thread by the anti-Bible crowd so far. Yet still wrong.





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