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Like someone else mentioned on the last thread "OMG you are talking to yourself.
This is ONE OF THOSE weird threads.
It will probably get to 1000 pages."

So what does that tell you? It tells me you have caught the attention of a lot of people just with those few words you wrote on the past opening thread!
We can all doubt our abilities and put obstacles in the way but just the like the old saying goes "the proof of the pudding is in the eating"


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I fear that I am beginning to sound redundant, but your words are really blessing and healing me more than you might know.

Thank you.
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You can begin right here with posting ...
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Do you think I have not been truthful?
Or is there something you would like to know?
 Quoting: masterpalerider


I would like to know if you are interested in a career or the writing, b/c I do not see anybody getting rich while being truthful or genuine.
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I can\'t argue with you there; the two do seem to be mutually exclusive.

If it matters, I\'m not looking for riches, per se. My needs and wants are few and cheap. Am I naive to think that I could earn a livable, though meager, wage by utilizing my writing? (Honest question.)
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May be you are an exception and can walk the tight rope duno
Hence I wanted you to post something not-too-long-to-read.
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On the recommendation of a very kind leaf AC, I have come to the community once again for counsel.

For the sake of argument, let us assume that I can write at least to the standards acceptable for publishing.

How could I get my work out to people?

Do people still read, or is the book and its author something of an artifact?

I am seeking honest advice.

Thank you.

Edit: also, what on earth needs writing? or has it all been said?
 Quoting: masterpalerider


Someone once said to me that the way to make a small fortune in writing is to start with a large fortune. He was correct. LOL Some writers do quite well.

The biggest thing about your comments is that if you don't know what you want to write about, then you won't get anywhere.

A great story is comprised of at least two important components. First, you must have a great story to tell and a burning desire to tell it. Without that, you're dead in the water.

Secondly, there is the craft of writing. Both are important.

For the craft part, I'd recommend an out of print book called SentenceCrafting to enhance anyone's writing skills. Look on Amazon to see if you can obtain a copy.

It's a simple exercise book. It's so simple that most people might think there is little of value in the exercises. How wrong they would be to think that!

The simple exercises make your brain more supple when it comes to crafting sentences in a way that makes what you say highly readable.

We tend to have rigid grooves in the brain for sentence creation. It's important to expand on that and make multiple grooves.
 Quoting: Booger Cancer


Thank you so much for taking the time to give a thoughtful response.

Regarding your comment on the actual story that needs telling, perhaps you have some wisdom to share on a conflict I'm facing with that: on the one hand, I feel like the only thing worth publishing would be non-fiction prose dealing with philosophy and spirituality/nature of reality, but then I ask myself, what hasn't already been said? Also, I've sort of got it in my head that fiction would be a lesser creation, but then I'm reminded of how some authors can adeptly intertwine philosophical prose within a fictive narrative.

Sorry for rambling... I just don't know how to come to resolution on this part.

I will definitely be on the lookout for the book you suggested, thank you!
"Greater love has no man than this: that a man lay down his life for his friends." - Jesus, John 15:13
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I would go with Kindle Direct, or you could publish on your own blog.
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^^^
This.

The publishing industry is a form of slavery for writers.

What other kind of work doesn't pay its workers 6 months after the job is done and then holds back 30% of those royalties for another six months?

People will say, "What about the advance?" There are two answers for that. Almost all advances are under $10,000. More are probably $1,000 to $5,000.

The royalties earned in excess of that still don't get paid for six months with 30% held for another six months. So the advance argument doesn't hold water.

There is no excuse for holding the money for up to a year after it is earned. It's abuse, pure and simple.

Self publishing is the way to go.

There is also the risk of publishers that cheat. I got mixed up with one after the initial advance.

The publisher sold 10,000 copies of my book in Russia, but I never received a penny for them.

Writers have almost no leverage to protect themselves from publishers.

Last Edited by Booger Cancer on 05/21/2017 01:17 PM
Yes, I did cure my Stage 4 cancer in two weeks when I was 48. I also reversed my chronic kidney disease (glomerulonephritis) when I was 25. In neither case were any medical treatments involved.
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Do you think I have not been truthful?
Or is there something you would like to know?
 Quoting: masterpalerider


I would like to know if you are interested in a career or the writing, b/c I do not see anybody getting rich while being truthful or genuine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36600994


I can\'t argue with you there; the two do seem to be mutually exclusive.

If it matters, I\'m not looking for riches, per se. My needs and wants are few and cheap. Am I naive to think that I could earn a livable, though meager, wage by utilizing my writing? (Honest question.)
 Quoting: masterpalerider


May be you are an exception and can walk the tight rope duno
Hence I wanted you to post something not-too-long-to-read.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36600994


Here is an excerpt from a loosely stream of consciousness practice novel I was working on sometime ago.

(I hope this is what you meant, that you wanted a sample.)

The coven is home to many beautiful daughters of men that are all ugliness inside. The witches love the long-suffering cool of the forest because it keeps their many strange and exotic goods from spoiling; this temperature, also, serves to keep themselves from spoiling, as they are naught but the dancing dead. They love running into the cold night with their firm tits bouncing bare in salute to the Dark Prince, hunting the strange cock like a pride of lionesses with phalanx tactics; they love the way the icy air wafts between their good-to-look-at legs and into their vile cunts as they circle the maypole in the heart of the woods; they love barking mad at the watchful owl; they love being in and of the world; they love themselves the most though, and they love their beauty and what they can buy with it and what they can steal with it; they love their stone hearts made hard and stiff by the passing of many sorrows induced by them; they love their reptilian eggs bleeding out from between their legs, and they extol the greatness of egg laying and of hatching, and ponder whether the ultimate child sacrifice is in the theft of the new-born slain at the altar, or in the bringing in of more children that will later become as slaves and miserable merchants of the world; sadly, there is not a philosopher among them, so the question is never resolved to any satisfaction, but they practice both and wonder if that is good enough to spite God.
"Greater love has no man than this: that a man lay down his life for his friends." - Jesus, John 15:13
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I would go with Kindle Direct, or you could publish on your own blog.
 Quoting: seekinginformation


^^^
This.

The publishing industry is a form of slavery for writers.

What other kind of work doesn't pay its workers 6 months after the job is done and then holds back 30% of those royalties for another six months?

People will say, "What about the advance?" There are two answers for that. Almost all advances are under $10,000. More are probably $1,000 to $5,000.

The royalties earned in excess of that still don't get paid for six months with 30% held for another six months. So the advance argument doesn't hold water.

There is no excuse for holding the money for up to a year after it is earned. It's abuse, pure and simple.

Self publishing is the way to go.

There is also the risk of publishers that cheat. I got mixed up with one after the initial advance.

The publisher sold 10,000 copies of my book in Russia, but I never received a penny for them.

Writers have almost no leverage to protect themselves from publishers.
 Quoting: Booger Cancer


Wow, that's scary. Thank you for the words of warning!
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On the recommendation of a very kind leaf AC, I have come to the community once again for counsel.

For the sake of argument, let us assume that I can write at least to the standards acceptable for publishing.

How could I get my work out to people?

Do people still read, or is the book and its author something of an artifact?

I am seeking honest advice.

Thank you.

Edit: also, what on earth needs writing? or has it all been said?
 Quoting: masterpalerider


Someone once said to me that the way to make a small fortune in writing is to start with a large fortune. He was correct. LOL Some writers do quite well.

The biggest thing about your comments is that if you don't know what you want to write about, then you won't get anywhere.

A great story is comprised of at least two important components. First, you must have a great story to tell and a burning desire to tell it. Without that, you're dead in the water.

Secondly, there is the craft of writing. Both are important.

For the craft part, I'd recommend an out of print book called SentenceCrafting to enhance anyone's writing skills. Look on Amazon to see if you can obtain a copy.

It's a simple exercise book. It's so simple that most people might think there is little of value in the exercises. How wrong they would be to think that!

The simple exercises make your brain more supple when it comes to crafting sentences in a way that makes what you say highly readable.

We tend to have rigid grooves in the brain for sentence creation. It's important to expand on that and make multiple grooves.
 Quoting: Booger Cancer


Thank you so much for taking the time to give a thoughtful response.

Regarding your comment on the actual story that needs telling, perhaps you have some wisdom to share on a conflict I'm facing with that: on the one hand, I feel like the only thing worth publishing would be non-fiction prose dealing with philosophy and spirituality/nature of reality, but then I ask myself, what hasn't already been said? Also, I've sort of got it in my head that fiction would be a lesser creation, but then I'm reminded of how some authors can adeptly intertwine philosophical prose within a fictive narrative.

Sorry for rambling... I just don't know how to come to resolution on this part.

I will definitely be on the lookout for the book you suggested, thank you!
 Quoting: masterpalerider


I'd say you are not ready to be an author if that is your stage of development/participation at this point.

Maybe you will become an author at some point in your life. In my case, I started writing in my 20's. But I was more or less at the level of thinking where you are. So no full books got written.

I was in my early 40's before writing short stories and my 40's before completing my first book.

Once you've written a book, then you might be ready.

For me a story has to slap me across the face as the first step. It could be just one little scene that gets built around to flesh out the story.

I don't write books any more. It's too much work. You can spend a year or two without any reward when it is done, or at least not enough to make it worthwhile.

So if you're going to write a book or books, make sure that the story you want to tell is so important to you that you feel it must be done regardless of the reward. You're probably not there yet. In your case, you're not there because you don't have a story. You just have a desire to make a living as a writer.
Yes, I did cure my Stage 4 cancer in two weeks when I was 48. I also reversed my chronic kidney disease (glomerulonephritis) when I was 25. In neither case were any medical treatments involved.
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On the recommendation of a very kind leaf AC, I have come to the community once again for counsel.

For the sake of argument, let us assume that I can write at least to the standards acceptable for publishing.

How could I get my work out to people?

Do people still read, or is the book and its author something of an artifact?

I am seeking honest advice.

Thank you.

Edit: also, what on earth needs writing? or has it all been said?
 Quoting: masterpalerider


Someone once said to me that the way to make a small fortune in writing is to start with a large fortune. He was correct. LOL Some writers do quite well.

The biggest thing about your comments is that if you don't know what you want to write about, then you won't get anywhere.

A great story is comprised of at least two important components. First, you must have a great story to tell and a burning desire to tell it. Without that, you're dead in the water.

Secondly, there is the craft of writing. Both are important.

For the craft part, I'd recommend an out of print book called SentenceCrafting to enhance anyone's writing skills. Look on Amazon to see if you can obtain a copy.

It's a simple exercise book. It's so simple that most people might think there is little of value in the exercises. How wrong they would be to think that!

The simple exercises make your brain more supple when it comes to crafting sentences in a way that makes what you say highly readable.

We tend to have rigid grooves in the brain for sentence creation. It's important to expand on that and make multiple grooves.
 Quoting: Booger Cancer


Thank you so much for taking the time to give a thoughtful response.

Regarding your comment on the actual story that needs telling, perhaps you have some wisdom to share on a conflict I'm facing with that: on the one hand, I feel like the only thing worth publishing would be non-fiction prose dealing with philosophy and spirituality/nature of reality, but then I ask myself, what hasn't already been said? Also, I've sort of got it in my head that fiction would be a lesser creation, but then I'm reminded of how some authors can adeptly intertwine philosophical prose within a fictive narrative.

Sorry for rambling... I just don't know how to come to resolution on this part.

I will definitely be on the lookout for the book you suggested, thank you!
 Quoting: masterpalerider


I'd say you are not ready to be an author if that is your stage of development/participation at this point.

Maybe you will become an author at some point in your life. In my case, I started writing in my 20's. But I was more or less at the level of thinking where you are. So no full books got written.

I was in my early 40's before writing short stories and my 40's before completing my first book.

Once you've written a book, then you might be ready.

For me a story has to slap me across the face as the first step. It could be just one little scene that gets built around to flesh out the story.

I don't write books any more. It's too much work. You can spend a year or two without any reward when it is done, or at least not enough to make it worthwhile.

So if you're going to write a book or books, make sure that the story you want to tell is so important to you that you feel it must be done regardless of the reward. You're probably not there yet. In your case, you're not there because you don't have a story. You just have a desire to make a living as a writer.
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Bonecrushing and right to the heart of the matter. I couldn't have asked for a better reply. Thank you kindly, sir.
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Publish your own work and set your own prices. For online and eBook versions only, in several formats, check out [link to www.smashwords.com (secure)] For printed and Kindle versions look at [link to www.createspace.com (secure)] Createspace is an Amazon company.

I'm currently publishing books written by an 88 yr old man. We are using these two venues mentioned above. We just got hardcopy books from Createspace. Very pleased with the quality and price.

Formatting for each of these venues is the trickiest part, but once you get it, it's not a big deal. You'll have to come up with your own covers. Or you can hire someone to do the formatting and covers for you. Smashwords has a list of available people and prices.
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dear OP.


watch this video 2 minutes long. let it sink in.


this is all you need to know.

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Publish your own work and set your own prices. For online and eBook versions only, in several formats, check out [link to www.smashwords.com (secure)] For printed and Kindle versions look at [link to www.createspace.com (secure)] Createspace is an Amazon company.

I'm currently publishing books written by an 88 yr old man. We are using these two venues mentioned above. We just got hardcopy books from Createspace. Very pleased with the quality and price.

Formatting for each of these venues is the trickiest part, but once you get it, it's not a big deal. You'll have to come up with your own covers. Or you can hire someone to do the formatting and covers for you. Smashwords has a list of available people and prices.
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Thank you very much! I have the sites bookmarked now.
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You can begin right here with posting ...
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Do you think I have not been truthful?
Or is there something you would like to know?
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I would like to know if you are interested in a career or the writing, b/c I do not see anybody getting rich while being truthful or genuine.
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I can't argue with you there; the two do seem to be mutually exclusive.

If it matters, I'm not looking for riches, per se. My needs and wants are few and cheap. Am I naive to think that I could earn a livable, though meager, wage by utilizing my writing? (Honest question.)
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If you want to be a writer, the first thing you have to do is stop using words like "utilize" instead of shorter and simpler words like "use". Read some Hemingway.
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I would like to know if you are interested in a career or the writing, b/c I do not see anybody getting rich while being truthful or genuine.
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I can\\\'t argue with you there; the two do seem to be mutually exclusive.

If it matters, I\\\'m not looking for riches, per se. My needs and wants are few and cheap. Am I naive to think that I could earn a livable, though meager, wage by utilizing my writing? (Honest question.)
 Quoting: masterpalerider


May be you are an exception and can walk the tight rope duno
Hence I wanted you to post something not-too-long-to-read.
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Here is an excerpt from a loosely stream of consciousness practice novel I was working on sometime ago.

(I hope this is what you meant, that you wanted a sample.)

The coven is home to many beautiful daughters of men that are all ugliness inside. The witches love the long-suffering cool of the forest because it keeps their many strange and exotic goods from spoiling; this temperature, also, serves to keep themselves from spoiling, as they are naught but the dancing dead. They love running into the cold night with their firm tits bouncing bare in salute to the Dark Prince, hunting the strange cock like a pride of lionesses with phalanx tactics; they love the way the icy air wafts between their good-to-look-at legs and into their vile cunts as they circle the maypole in the heart of the woods; they love barking mad at the watchful owl; they love being in and of the world; they love themselves the most though, and they love their beauty and what they can buy with it and what they can steal with it; they love their stone hearts made hard and stiff by the passing of many sorrows induced by them; they love their reptilian eggs bleeding out from between their legs, and they extol the greatness of egg laying and of hatching, and ponder whether the ultimate child sacrifice is in the theft of the new-born slain at the altar, or in the bringing in of more children that will later become as slaves and miserable merchants of the world; sadly, there is not a philosopher among them, so the question is never resolved to any satisfaction, but they practice both and wonder if that is good enough to spite God.
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Well, odd enough to wake the interest. If you are into the occult you could simply conjure the success for yourself, sounds easier than writing, to me.
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Somebody done went and get themself a thesorus and dickshunare.
It's Headley.
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i can't tell you what your path should be - but, were i a writer, i can tell you exactly the path i would take if you like.

just ask and i will provide
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I can\\\'t argue with you there; the two do seem to be mutually exclusive.

If it matters, I\\\'m not looking for riches, per se. My needs and wants are few and cheap. Am I naive to think that I could earn a livable, though meager, wage by utilizing my writing? (Honest question.)
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May be you are an exception and can walk the tight rope duno
Hence I wanted you to post something not-too-long-to-read.
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Here is an excerpt from a loosely stream of consciousness practice novel I was working on sometime ago.

(I hope this is what you meant, that you wanted a sample.)

The coven is home to many beautiful daughters of men that are all ugliness inside. The witches love the long-suffering cool of the forest because it keeps their many strange and exotic goods from spoiling; this temperature, also, serves to keep themselves from spoiling, as they are naught but the dancing dead. They love running into the cold night with their firm tits bouncing bare in salute to the Dark Prince, hunting the strange cock like a pride of lionesses with phalanx tactics; they love the way the icy air wafts between their good-to-look-at legs and into their vile cunts as they circle the maypole in the heart of the woods; they love barking mad at the watchful owl; they love being in and of the world; they love themselves the most though, and they love their beauty and what they can buy with it and what they can steal with it; they love their stone hearts made hard and stiff by the passing of many sorrows induced by them; they love their reptilian eggs bleeding out from between their legs, and they extol the greatness of egg laying and of hatching, and ponder whether the ultimate child sacrifice is in the theft of the new-born slain at the altar, or in the bringing in of more children that will later become as slaves and miserable merchants of the world; sadly, there is not a philosopher among them, so the question is never resolved to any satisfaction, but they practice both and wonder if that is good enough to spite God.
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Well, odd enough to wake the interest. If you are into the occult you could simply conjure the success for yourself, sounds easier than writing, to me.
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Your dispassionate yet penetrating replies leave me feeling a bit taken advantage of, AC. I might write the novel, or I might die a thousand deaths in the spirit of your dispassionate disinterest.chuckle
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dear OP.


watch this video 2 minutes long. let it sink in.


this is all you need to know.


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Wasn't sure what to expect going in, but I gotta say I like this guy. Thank you for that.
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i can't tell you what your path should be - but, were i a writer, i can tell you exactly the path i would take if you like.

just ask and i will provide
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Please; I am all ears.
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I have a good friend wanting to write an autobiography
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May be you are an exception and can walk the tight rope duno
Hence I wanted you to post something not-too-long-to-read.
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Here is an excerpt from a loosely stream of consciousness practice novel I was working on sometime ago.

(I hope this is what you meant, that you wanted a sample.)

The coven is home to many beautiful daughters of men that are all ugliness inside. The witches love the long-suffering cool of the forest because it keeps their many strange and exotic goods from spoiling; this temperature, also, serves to keep themselves from spoiling, as they are naught but the dancing dead. They love running into the cold night with their firm tits bouncing bare in salute to the Dark Prince, hunting the strange cock like a pride of lionesses with phalanx tactics; they love the way the icy air wafts between their good-to-look-at legs and into their vile cunts as they circle the maypole in the heart of the woods; they love barking mad at the watchful owl; they love being in and of the world; they love themselves the most though, and they love their beauty and what they can buy with it and what they can steal with it; they love their stone hearts made hard and stiff by the passing of many sorrows induced by them; they love their reptilian eggs bleeding out from between their legs, and they extol the greatness of egg laying and of hatching, and ponder whether the ultimate child sacrifice is in the theft of the new-born slain at the altar, or in the bringing in of more children that will later become as slaves and miserable merchants of the world; sadly, there is not a philosopher among them, so the question is never resolved to any satisfaction, but they practice both and wonder if that is good enough to spite God.
 Quoting: masterpalerider


Well, odd enough to wake the interest. If you are into the occult you could simply conjure the success for yourself, sounds easier than writing, to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36600994


Your dispassionate yet penetrating replies leave me feeling a bit taken advantage of, AC. I might write the novel, or I might die a thousand deaths in the spirit of your dispassionate disinterest.chuckle
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Are not most of your readers anon, get used to it.
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Do you think I have not been truthful?
Or is there something you would like to know?
 Quoting: masterpalerider


I would like to know if you are interested in a career or the writing, b/c I do not see anybody getting rich while being truthful or genuine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36600994


I can't argue with you there; the two do seem to be mutually exclusive.

If it matters, I'm not looking for riches, per se. My needs and wants are few and cheap. Am I naive to think that I could earn a livable, though meager, wage by utilizing my writing? (Honest question.)
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If you want to be a writer, the first thing you have to do is stop using words like "utilize" instead of shorter and simpler words like "use". Read some Hemingway.
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Are you saying that I come across as pedantic? Or do you mean more in the spirit of ease of access and ease of reading? I certainly hope I don't come off in a pedantic, or condescending way.
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Here is an excerpt from a loosely stream of consciousness practice novel I was working on sometime ago.

(I hope this is what you meant, that you wanted a sample.)

The coven is home to many beautiful daughters of men that are all ugliness inside. The witches love the long-suffering cool of the forest because it keeps their many strange and exotic goods from spoiling; this temperature, also, serves to keep themselves from spoiling, as they are naught but the dancing dead. They love running into the cold night with their firm tits bouncing bare in salute to the Dark Prince, hunting the strange cock like a pride of lionesses with phalanx tactics; they love the way the icy air wafts between their good-to-look-at legs and into their vile cunts as they circle the maypole in the heart of the woods; they love barking mad at the watchful owl; they love being in and of the world; they love themselves the most though, and they love their beauty and what they can buy with it and what they can steal with it; they love their stone hearts made hard and stiff by the passing of many sorrows induced by them; they love their reptilian eggs bleeding out from between their legs, and they extol the greatness of egg laying and of hatching, and ponder whether the ultimate child sacrifice is in the theft of the new-born slain at the altar, or in the bringing in of more children that will later become as slaves and miserable merchants of the world; sadly, there is not a philosopher among them, so the question is never resolved to any satisfaction, but they practice both and wonder if that is good enough to spite God.
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Well, odd enough to wake the interest. If you are into the occult you could simply conjure the success for yourself, sounds easier than writing, to me.
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Your dispassionate yet penetrating replies leave me feeling a bit taken advantage of, AC. I might write the novel, or I might die a thousand deaths in the spirit of your dispassionate disinterest.chuckle
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Are not most of your readers anon, get used to it.
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I have this creeping suspicion that I'm talking to my intellectual superior. Thank you.
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I would go with Kindle Direct, or you could publish on your own blog.
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Thank you for the suggestions.

Do blogs have revenue potential given enough time? It seems like everybody and their little sister has a blog these days. I guess I worry about oversaturation, and there is something appealing about the completion of an actual tome.

Edit: thoughts?
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I make a decent part of my living blogging.

I've started about a dozen blogs.
One makes about $1K per month (took it years to get to that point.)
One makes about $20 per month.
And the others makes about $1 or less per month.

You have to have links from all kinds of crazy sources, media attention, fabulous content and superb search engine visibility to have a successful blog. It's kinda like winning the lottery.

Research what people are Googling and then become an expert on one of those topics.
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I have a good friend wanting to write an autobiography
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Please, say on...
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I would go with Kindle Direct, or you could publish on your own blog.
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Thank you for the suggestions.

Do blogs have revenue potential given enough time? It seems like everybody and their little sister has a blog these days. I guess I worry about oversaturation, and there is something appealing about the completion of an actual tome.

Edit: thoughts?
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I make a decent part of my living blogging.

I've started about a dozen blogs.
One makes about $1K per month (took it years to get to that point.)
One makes about $20 per month.
And the others makes about $1 or less per month.

You have to have links from all kinds of crazy sources, media attention, fabulous content and superb search engine visibility to have a successful blog. It's kinda like winning the lottery.

Research what people are Googling and then become an expert on one of those topics.
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Wow, that is awesome. For your high earner, how often do you post?

Would you let me pick your brain a little here? I have an independent site setup for blogging, but my question has been with regards to what you mentioned about the search engine visibility and sources. What do you mean by crazy sources and media attention? Are we talking just social medias and I imagine networking with other content creators?

May I ask what niche you write within? Is it something you are actually interested in, or did you approach it as a purely pragmatic thing?

Thank you so much.
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I would write about what you spoke of in your last thread.
Reproduction ending and what happens as people decline from the planet.
As the last people dwindle away nature would fill it's place with whatever your imagination wanted it too!!!

shark
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I would write about what you spoke of in your last thread.
Reproduction ending and what happens as people decline from the planet.
As the last people dwindle away nature would fill it's place with whatever your imagination wanted it too!!!

shark
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Mm... you've got my gears turning now.whistle
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i can't tell you what your path should be - but, were i a writer, i can tell you exactly the path i would take if you like.

just ask and i will provide
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Please; I am all ears.
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I would start a youtube channel

For it i would write two short stories a week - or one every 4 days or one every 2 days - or how ever long it takes to write a quick short story. Fquency would be the key. ( i would still work on my novel or whatever in the background if i was working on that.



I would then read these out on my you tube channel, with a certain regularity, ie twice a week. No matter how shit they were.

I would allow comments on my videos, even the most vicious of troll posts would not get deleted.

I would set out to do this for a period of a year or 6 months.

One a week i would upload a vlog chatting about how my journey was going.


If anyone actually started watching my channel i might do things like 'request a story' once a month.


If all went well, by the end of the year i would have written and presented 100 short stories, i would have a thicker skin, and i may have improved my skills, and i may even have a fanbase.

I would have learned more of what people actually want to hear told, or what they like and do not like.

If i had grown a lot of subsribers, i would now have potential customers should i self publish.

Or i might just keep on with the short story writing for youtube and sell merchandise.




If i was social, slightly flaky and hot and female - i would try to engange on all social medias and build a big online social media presence - but i hate that shit so i could not stomach doing it.

but i know of someone who did that, not an especially good writer, just a good social media type person. they managed to build a following - one of who was an illustrator, they collabed on a series of books, kept the social media side growing , and turned there entire social media base into customers for their childers books.


it worked amazingly well. like who the f can make a living out of kids books theses days? she did, likely still does.

i would say that was 5% writing 5% writing talent 90% fully engaging with people on social media and building a kind of online friendhsip cult type thinig


( sory for spelling mistakes and grammar i am not a writer, i am a RETARD)
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I would go with Kindle Direct, or you could publish on your own blog.
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Thank you for the suggestions.

Do blogs have revenue potential given enough time? It seems like everybody and their little sister has a blog these days. I guess I worry about oversaturation, and there is something appealing about the completion of an actual tome.

Edit: thoughts?
 Quoting: masterpalerider


I make a decent part of my living blogging.

I've started about a dozen blogs.
One makes about $1K per month (took it years to get to that point.)
One makes about $20 per month.
And the others makes about $1 or less per month.

You have to have links from all kinds of crazy sources, media attention, fabulous content and superb search engine visibility to have a successful blog. It's kinda like winning the lottery.

Research what people are Googling and then become an expert on one of those topics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47899716



Wow, that is awesome. For your high earner, how often do you post?

Would you let me pick your brain a little here? I have an independent site setup for blogging, but my question has been with regards to what you mentioned about the search engine visibility and sources. What do you mean by crazy sources and media attention? Are we talking just social medias and I imagine networking with other content creators?

May I ask what niche you write within? Is it something you are actually interested in, or did you approach it as a purely pragmatic thing?

Thank you so much.
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Post avg 3 times a week.

And yes, social media and other blogs are two of the biggest sources for clicks, after Google, of course. If you can get a massive, respected media outlet to send traffic your way, that's the fastest way to jump up in search engine rank.

I am interested in what I blog about, but there are quite a few other subjects I'd rather be writing about.
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write some degenerate sht the tribe would love to spread onto the cattle and you'll be in like flint: something that divides people.





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