SHR, With All Your Wisdom, Debunk This

He is a TWO star general not a FIVE star general.

And guess what, you only need to know how to suck cock and kiss ass to be a TWO star general.

General Man disagrees

General Curtis Goatheart also thinks so

What the hell does it take to become a 5 star General then?
Your point is null and void........

Simple. Edumacation and brain smarts

Did you listen to his fields of expertise?

I will never forget watching the MSM that day.

It was either CNN or FOX news that had a report at some point after NOON time from a field reporter saying there was reports of a FIFTH airplane hijacked and flying rogue south west of the D.C. area and they were waiting for more information.

I remember when the field reporter went back to the newsdesk, the newsdesk commentator had a look of complete shock on his face.

Now here is the rub, I NEVER HEARD ANOTHER REPORT ON THIS FIFTH PLANE AGAIN - not on another channel, not on the internet afterwards - NOWHERE.

WTH DID I SEE?

In the months and years afterwards, after people started seriously debunking a 757 hitting the Pentagon, I always called this TV broadcast to mind -

Was the 'fifth plane' really Flight 77???

I still don't fucking know, but damn - wouldn't that make sense (to me.)

they even had a crazy radio guy in a trailer, in the desert talking about UFOs .... and this was in the mid 70's !!!!


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still waiting?

Do you know anything about Stubblebine other than what is on that vid?

I know, Cheney hates him, for good reason. He was involved with remote viewing, which, I won't touch, because you are an asshole. His field of expertise, makes him qualified, to state that.... no plane hit the Pentagon......

He left the military in 1984...His 'field of expertise' has nothing to do with what he says on that vid...

Oh, and...Where exactly did Cheney run into him to get to 'hate' him?



Here's Stubblebine and why he was eventually 'retired' in 1984:

Channon's First Earth Battalion slide show was brought to General Stubblebine, the head of INSCOM, by Colonel Alexander, the author of the Military Review article on "The New Mental Battlefield," and, by 1981, Stubblebine established a secret "psychic spies unit" at Fort Meade, to test out such dubious techniques as remote viewing.

Two years later, General Stubblebine traveled to Fort Bragg, to pitch the Channon/Alexander program to the top leadership of the Special Operations community. By now, Stubblebine was convinced that, with the application of the right "mind over matter" techniques, he could personally walk through walls. As of this writing, he has not yet apparently succeeded. The Fort Bragg session, as he would later recount it to author Ronson, was a fiasco

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BTW...I am an asshole because you are a ?

I, am not a sheep, thanx, anyway, as far as walking through walls, I, have yet to try that. Barring anything, Stubblebine says, what hit the Pentagon?

I put my own words in red for clarity, was a little hard to read without it.

A little unbiased background on General Bert for those who might like to know.
Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III was the commanding general of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984, when he retired from the Army. He is known for his interest in parapsychology and was a strong supporter of the Stargate Project. Stubblebine features heavily in journalist Jon Ronson's book The Men Who Stare at Goats.

Stubblebine appeared in the documentary "One Nation Under Siege" where he states that a 757 could not have crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. Video clip .

Stubblebine is referred to by Richard Dawkins in his lecture "Queerer Than We Suppose: The strangeness of science" which is available for download here.

Stubblebine and his wife, Rima E. Laibow, M.D., founded the Natural Solutions Foundation [1], "a non-profit corporation devoted to protecting and promoting health freedom". A large part of what NSF does is to lobby against Codex Alimentarius and for DSHEA. Along with his wife, the psychiatrist Rima Laibow, Stubblebine has been accused by Matthias Rath of intentionally spreading inaccurate and misleading material regarding these issues.

A few eyewitness testimonials, although human accounts are for the most part not the most accurate means of deserning any event in great detail, but they usually can be compiled to get the broad strokes pretty close, such as whether it was a gigantic jet passenger aircraft, or not. A link included with hundreds more.
Anderson, Steve:
I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.
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Ford, Ken Ken Ford : One eyewitness, State Department employee Ken Ford, said he watched from the 15th floor of the State Department Annex, just across the PotomacRiver from the Pentagon. We were watching the airport through binoculars, Ford said, referring to Reagan National Airport, a short distance away. The plane was a two-engine turbo prop that flew up the river from National. Then it turned back toward the Pentagon. We thought it had been waved off and then it hit the building.
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Fortunato, Don "Traffic was at a standstill, so I parked on the shoulder, not far from the scene and ran to the site. Next to me was a cab from D.C., its windshield smashed out by pieces of lampposts. There were pieces of the plane all over the highway, pieces of wing, I think. (...) "There were a lot of people with severe burns, severe contusions, severe lacerations, in shock and emotional distress"
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Timmerman, Tim Tim Timmerman : Pilot. I was looking out the window; I live on the 16th floor, overlooking the Pentagon, in a corner apartment, so I have quite a panorama. And being next to National Airport, I hear jets all the time, but this jet engine was way too loud. I looked out to the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike, and as is went by the Sheraton Hotel, the pilot added power to the engines. I heard it pull up a little bit more, and then I lost it behind a building. And then it came out, and I saw it hit right in front of -- it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything in flames. It was horrible. It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question. It was so close to me it was like looking out my window and looking at a helicopter. It was just right there. (We were told that it was flying so low that it clipped off a couple of light poles as it was coming in) That might have happened behind the apartments that occluded my view. And when it reappeared, it was right before impact, and like I said, it was right before impact, and I saw the airplane just disintegrate and blow up into a huge ball of flames. And the building shook, and it was quite a tremendous explosion. I noticed the fire trucks and the responses was just wonderful. Fire trucks were there quickly. I saw the area; the building didn't look very damaged initially, but I do see now, looking out my window, there's quite a chunk in it. But I think the blessing here might have been that the airplane hit before it hit the building, it hit the ground, and a lot of energy might have gone that way. That's what it appeared like.
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Couple few hundred more here you can read at your leisure. [link to 911research.wtc7.net] the site won't bite you, LOL.

A few pics of debris with the green Zinc Chromate paint characteristic to aircraft parts, also some internal aircraft engine parts from various 911 conspiracy websites debating on the size and make of the aircraft and some photo's of aircraft debris scattered on the pentagon lawn. I thought you CT's were past the no airplane theories and had moved on to the what airplane theories?
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Actualy this whole site does a pretty good job in going over the evidence and presents a bit more up to date CT than the No-plane theory and talks about why that might just be a red herring, you might like it.
[link to 911research.wtc7.net]

more pics for ya. it's too bad this site is down right now and refers back to 911 research, they have some excellent resolution pics. It's a CT site so you can trust them.

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This one is not debris, but I felt it might answer some other questions that people might have as to the markings on the wall, etc. Better to know what you don't need to then need to and not know it. [link to www.pentagonresearch.com]

Another one off topic, but one I thought people might be interested in.
[link to www.pentagonresearch.com]

That enough for ya? Really, aside from a retired old fart Sat image and Soviet weapons expert voicing his opinion, just what is there to de-bunk? Like I said, most CT's have already moved past the no plane theories and on to mo soopa kewl stuff, there's literaly a whole unexplored vista of destructor beams and all kinds of neato stuff that haven't even been applied to the pentagon crash yet, it's wide open, go for it. But don't use my own GIGS theory, it's taken and as yet undisputable, LOL.

You party pooper SHR...

Can't put too much faith in SHR. He could not debunk the early message of WTC 7 collapsing, as reported by the BBC. He wouldn't even admit he was WRONG!!! when he said it was a taped feed, when even THE BBC themselves said it was a live feed.

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Please make me, if I am wrong I will be the first to admit it. I already showed you all that even according to your own video that it was aired between 16:54 and 17:36 EST. or 4:54PM EST to 5:36 EST it even says time sync at the start of the 10 o'clock news 10 PM BST (5:00PM EST) All likely true and never disputed, since it is actualy the 10 o'clock new from the BBC. WTC7 collapsed at 4:23 EST, the problem that you guys won't face is that NYC was not on EST Eastern Standard Time on 9-11-2001, it was on Eastern Daylight Time, EDT which is what the collapse time was documented as 5:23 EDT, or 4:23 EST. If you want to catch some fish just say,"Hmmmmm this video was shown at 5 o'clock EST and WTC7 crashed at 5:23....right?" It never aired 23 minutes before, it aired 37 minutes after.

As far as the video with Jane, it must be a composite. Will that be hard to prove? It likely will, but if you want to go believeing that the BBC shocked the world by scooping a rather large portion of the event of the millenium and didn't just put out a news feed with a background that was tape and pimped it as live, go ahead. The looking into the future, broadcasting it to millions, and the fact that nobody noticed is far more pausable, don't you agree?

I would like to see SHR give us his best conspiracy theory.

A bunch of Arabs Hi-jacked 4 planes, 3 of them smashed into buildings and one was shot down. The event was then used as a pretext to start WWIII, Aka the war of civilizations which is Arab Islamics against the West, but really, it's pretty much Islamics against everybody else and it had already begun years ago, but we were unwilling to accept it. Hows that? Actualy nobody has ever asked me before, LOL, so thanks for asking.

That's my theory concerning 911 anyway.

I love it when rays of truth seep through the dense clouds of bull shit dust and bring light to those who live in the darkness of insanity.

Whoa!!!

Still haven't heard you say you were wrong SHR....
..or are you trying to think your way out saying it?

Live or taped feed, SHR?

SHR, SHR?? On a movie called, "THE 9/11 Commission Report", very lame movie of Zacarias Moussaoui. And when I say "LAME", because of ASYLUM, for instance "The 666 Child" and other dumb films made by ASYLUM. QUESTION:
In the end of the film of "The 9/11 Commission Report", Said, "Ramzi Yosef and Abdul Murad are both serving multiple life sentences in a maximum security prison in
Colorado.
TERRY NICHOLS, The man they claim to have trained in Cebu, is at the same prison for his involvment in the Oklahoma City Bombing." SHR, did you hear of this before? Terry Nichols, THE MAN THEY CLAIM TO HAVE TRAINED IN CEBU??, is at the same prison for his involvment in the OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING. Like The American/Taliban, Was Timothy McVey & Terry Nichols TRAINED BY AL-QAIDA???

SHR????

SHR? ARE YOU HERE?

Does the word "claim" have any meaning for you?

Speaking of your first hand experience, eh, fudgePACN'-W-guy?