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The Official "Reincarnation is Biblical" Thread

 
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I think the issue is that Christians view reincarnation as fatalism.. thats the difference Buddhism and Judaism..

In Judaism reincarnation is not fatalism.. it's soul refinement.
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It is not true.

It is evil.

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satan to eve "you shall not surely die"

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I think the issue is that Christians view reincarnation as fatalism.. thats the difference Buddhism and Judaism..

In Judaism reincarnation is not fatalism.. it's soul refinement.
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It is a lie.

It is not true.

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How do you know?
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First things first.

Let's debunk the only verse used to support the false claim that reincarnation is not Biblical.

If there is one thing bible students are told over and over again *not* to do when interpreting verses is to take one out of context, ascribe a false meaning to it and base an entire eschatology on it.

Yet this is precisely what has been done with the following verse...

Hebrews 9:27
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"


The verse does not say "we only live one life and there is no such thing as reincarnation".

It says once we die we must immediately face judgement.

In other words, we can't live as many lives as we wish and escape judgment every time.

One death = one judgement

Plain and simple.

In addition, if every Human truly experienced only one death, then verses that describe a 'second death' would be completely contradictory...

Revelation 20:14
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death"

Revelation 2:11
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death"


There are many verses describing a second death, thus the ‘die once’ dogma is false.

And we are only beginning to uncover this vehemently censored treasure of Scripture.

These are NOT Gnostic, New Age or Luciferian teachings.

They are 100% fundamentally Christian and it's high time Christians wake up to what has been kept from them by the "establishment".

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"For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day." John 6:40
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The story of Jonah and the Whale is a good example of how Hell can be described as inside the 'belly'...

Jonah 2:2
"And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice"


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For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ.Philippians 1:8
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It would appear I've rustled some Jimmies.

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Yet I'm still waiting for those anti-reincarnation verses...

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First things first.

Let's debunk the only verse used to support the false claim that reincarnation is not Biblical.

If there is one thing bible students are told over and over again *not* to do when interpreting verses is to take one out of context, ascribe a false meaning to it and base an entire eschatology on it.

Yet this is precisely what has been done with the following verse...

Hebrews 9:27
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"


The verse does not say "we only live one life and there is no such thing as reincarnation".

It says once we die we must immediately face judgement.

In other words, we can't live as many lives as we wish and escape judgment every time.

One death = one judgement

Plain and simple.

In addition, if every Human truly experienced only one death, then verses that describe a 'second death' would be completely contradictory...

Revelation 20:14
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death"

Revelation 2:11
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death"


There are many verses describing a second death, thus the ‘die once’ dogma is false.

And we are only beginning to uncover this vehemently censored treasure of Scripture.

These are NOT Gnostic, New Age or Luciferian teachings.

They are 100% fundamentally Christian and it's high time Christians wake up to what has been kept from them by the "establishment".

Idol1
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yodaIdol1hf
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Yep, and the Roman Church is responsible from keeping these Truths from Christians....indulgences pay well, as does the confessional which expose the enlightened, especially the young as targets.
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Frank Peretti on Reincarnation and Karma:

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The religion I grew up with is very much against the idea of reincarnation...but I wonder if that is because of the extreme early bias of the Catholic church early on (for there desire for control) and this is left over for even the reformation churches...
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Fuck god and jesus. You worship a son of a bitch that had the audacity to create the universe, create SICK people with either original sin - or - people in paradise but then place a temptation right in front of them? Who then freaks the fuck out and banishes his 'loved' creation for fucking up a little? Wow god, way to act like a fucking bitchass child who got his block tower knocked over, look all the creator of the fucking universe flipping his godly shit over NOTHING. If god was a person he'd be a wife beating child abusing asshole who i'd beat the every living shit out of. If gods real he better be fucking happy hes god because otherwise id knock the dogshit out of that fucking asshole. Look at the world, shitty right? But does god take any responsibility? No, he gaslights his own creations and says its 100% our fault, just like any sociopath in a abusive relationship would. Born with an attraction the same sex? Well, the "god of love" has just the thing- eternal damnation, forever, un-ending, because ya that makes sense. Even if gods real, he wants to throw my friend in hell because of that? Better send me too asshole, i will never bow down and worship an asshole deity like that, blackmailing me with where my soul goes. Thats the best he can do? Could've created something great but instead blackmails people with damnation threats just to feel powerful? Command me to love you? Eat shit, I hope satan kicks your fucking ass, no wonder he rebelled. None of this shit is real anyway, there's thousands of different ways to interpret that nonsense, all contradictory, all different ways to end up damned. Its nothing but shit used to control the weak minded, all it ever has been, all it ever will be. Where is your fucking god?
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"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."


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watch, I will solve this for you exceeding quickly:

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"-Hebrews 9:27

"Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died... I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day."-John 11:24, 26

"5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun."-Ecc. 9:5-6

Etc, etc. There's many more, but I wont belabor the point

That guy is a Jesuit... Jesuits HATE a literal interpretation of the scriptures. You see, if one really wants to know the truth, all they have to do interpret the scriptures in the context of the whole Bible and not selecting certain verses we can use to advoctate our theories, while ignoring those that prove to the contrary and comdemn us as being among they who "wrest the scriptures" the our own condmenation
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Frank Peretti on Reincarnation and Karma:

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Karma...

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Still no answer? Who were you, be specific.
Genesis-Acts,Hebrews-Revelation to, you know who
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Yea, second death, i.e. you die ONCE in your temporal existence. And if you are not found in Christ on the day of judgement, you're eternally destroyed forever in the lake of fire, i.e. SECOND death. No third, no fourth.
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The religion I grew up with is very much against the idea of reincarnation...but I wonder if that is because of the extreme early bias of the Catholic church early on (for there desire for control) and this is left over for even the reformation churches...
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Yep.
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I like you OP, but absolutely and categorically disagree, and i have some threads here dealing with this subject.

Reincarnation, to be blunt, is an excuse for sin, and do as thou wilt, ie, i will cleanse the "DEBT IN THE NEXT LIFE". Scripture is plain, there is only One Life, but there are TWO DEATHS.

There is a simpler explanation for past life remembrance, i so like Occams razor, the fallen, have seen it all, and happily play/enable higher self for those who wish to do so.

But i digress, will gladly post my thread links, for further debate, with your permission, still debate is not Him or His power.
are you willing to pray with me, for example, Lord YAHshua/Jesus, if You are real, still alive having risen from the dead, and coming soon, for Your bride, confirm it in power and truth and love to us both, as well, as showing, why reincarnation is not of You, whilst, incarnation, is, amen Father

Thank you OP, bless you in Him.
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Nicely said.

Reincarnation, to be blunt, is an excuse for sin, and do as thou wilt, ie, i will cleanse the "DEBT IN THE NEXT LIFE".

 Quoting: FHL(C)

devil6
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Can't find FHL(C) s original post...

But I say say this...

It's only an excuse for YOU to sin.

For me is it freedom from fear and only makes me a better person knowing that what I do is this life will determine my station in the next.

By the way, most Christians I talk to don't really believe what they preach/believe. They Fear Death.

In The Gospel of the Savior Jesus said fear and jealousy were the biggest lurkers at the threshold. I tend to agree. Most if not all of the miseries of our lives stem from Fear.

So how many Christians fear? And are Jealous?
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watch, I will solve this for you exceeding quickly:

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"-Hebrews 9:27
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Already debunked on the first page.

"Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died... I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day."-John 11:24, 26
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Yep, many will rise again. Some to everlasting life, some to everlasting contempt.

The Lake of Fire is the portal back into the timeline again.

Study the word 'backwards' and 'backsliding' in the Bible.

Oh that reminds me.

Another Bible word for reincarnation is Perpetual Backsliding.

It is also the Ouroboros...

Jeremiah 8:5
"Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return"


"5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun."-Ecc. 9:5-6
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Yep. We don't come back as the exact same person.

if one really wants to know the truth, all they have to do interpret the scriptures in the context of the whole Bible and not selecting certain verses we can use to advoctate our theories, while ignoring those that prove to the contrary and comdemn us as being among they who "wrest the scriptures" the our own condmenation
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Still no answer? Who were you, be specific.
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Why do you keep asking that?

I don't know and I don't care honestly.
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Fuck god and jesus. You worship a son of a bitch that had the audacity to create the universe, create SICK people with either original sin - or - people in paradise but then place a temptation right in front of them? Who then freaks the fuck out and banishes his 'loved' creation for fucking up a little? Wow god, way to act like a fucking bitchass child who got his block tower knocked over, look all the creator of the fucking universe flipping his godly shit over NOTHING. If god was a person he'd be a wife beating child abusing asshole who i'd beat the every living shit out of. If gods real he better be fucking happy hes god because otherwise id knock the dogshit out of that fucking asshole. Look at the world, shitty right? But does god take any responsibility? No, he gaslights his own creations and says its 100% our fault, just like any sociopath in a abusive relationship would. Born with an attraction the same sex? Well, the "god of love" has just the thing- eternal damnation, forever, un-ending, because ya that makes sense. Even if gods real, he wants to throw my friend in hell because of that? Better send me too asshole, i will never bow down and worship an asshole deity like that, blackmailing me with where my soul goes. Thats the best he can do? Could've created something great but instead blackmails people with damnation threats just to feel powerful? Command me to love you? Eat shit, I hope satan kicks your fucking ass, no wonder he rebelled. None of this shit is real anyway, there's thousands of different ways to interpret that nonsense, all contradictory, all different ways to end up damned. Its nothing but shit used to control the weak minded, all it ever has been, all it ever will be. Where is your fucking god?
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"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."



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“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

“If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. Exodus 21:7

“And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God.” (Deuteronomy 13: 5)

“Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” (Numbers 31:16-18)

Ya, so god just said child rape is fine. ^^^

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” (I Samuel 15:2-3)

Killing babies is fine too ^^^


“Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.” (Isaiah 13:15-16)

Literally commands to rape women and kill kids ^^^

I dunno man, looks like cherry picking the bible is super easy and can be made to sound like whatever someone wants it to, just like i said. One minute it's love and sunshine at the corner church in the suburbs and at the same time its inciting hatred and justifying violence in some redneck church. Either way its brainwashing nonsense. God watched human progress for, how many years? And then revealed himself to an illiterate sheepherder in a desert?

Sure, no ya, this book doesn't sound like a book that was made by men to promote their own selfish cause at alllllllll.
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Still no answer? Who were you, be specific.
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The most often raised objection. Who were you?

Since progress depends upon your forgetting the details of the experieineces of your earlier life your progress here on this planet would be tremendously hampered if you remembered all the events of you past lives. Most people can't forgive small injustices and insults. They carry these throughout their entire lives never forgiving. Imagine thousands of lives of such retaining the same memories of these types of experiences.

We maintain the essence of lessons learned and of the good things...and continue to move foreword to perfection.

It's all good.
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Fuck coming back trying to get something right that you have no control over. Turn me the fuck off in the end you fucking asshole!
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In my extensive NDE research, concepts such as "the judgment" often show up in a person's after-death experience as a life-review, and a full experience of judging oneself for all we did and feeling exactly how each word and action affected others. There are some concepts in the Bible that have been misrepresented and some that have yet to ever be correctly interpreted. The one thing we really need to worry about, honestly, is whether we are right with God, and right with how we love our fellow man. The rest of it we can ponder, wish to know or be sure of, but the only thing we really can control, is ourselves, if anything - and even that is a huge leap for some.
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Still no answer? Who were you, be specific.
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The most often raised objection. Who were you?

Since progress depends upon your forgetting the details of the experieineces of your earlier life your progress here on this planet would be tremendously hampered if you remembered all the events of you past lives. Most people can't forgive small injustices and insults. They carry these throughout their entire lives never forgiving. Imagine thousands of lives of such retaining the same memories of these types of experiences.

We maintain the essence of lessons learned and of the good things...and continue to move foreword to perfection.

It's all good.
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If it cannot be reconciled with the Bible, it leans towards heresy.

It is not all good
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More Witnesses please…

Matthew 21:31-32
"Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you"

"For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him"


In these passages Jesus describes two different groups of people entering heaven at different times.

I.e. the only way for the Publicans and Harlots to enter heaven before the Pharisees is through the process of reincarnation.
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The religion I grew up with is very much against the idea of reincarnation...but I wonder if that is because of the extreme early bias of the Catholic church early on (for there desire for control) and this is left over for even the reformation churches...
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Yep.
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