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Azaziah
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| TheBiss
User ID: 4941047 United States06/06/2017 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have millennials that I assist with their resumes for this reason. It seems that none of them understand the purpose of a resume, nor are they taught how to develop one. I see shitty resumes all the time, and when they leave my hands, they are professional, succinct and well formatted. The other thing I do is explain to them WHY I'm making the changes to the resume, and what purpose the change serves. The best resume I ever edited helped my wife get a good paying job after 20 years of marriage and stay-at-home child rearing, so she could eventually screw another guy, and I could file against her for divorce without having to pay her alimony. [link to www.grainmill.coop] - Bulk foods, long term storage solutions [link to www.CatawbaCoops.com] - Unique A-Frame chicken coop plans |
| Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om
Breshears is Off: Ask Me Why User ID: 65955727 United States06/06/2017 10:57 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. (B)ullshit™ always needs an amplified bullhorn demanding kneeling subservience - or else.- SyncAsFunk The light within me always draws me back to make the dark decision to leave the false counterfeit light. -New Heart |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70775367 United States06/06/2017 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's YOUR responsibility to train quality and consistency...the quality of your employees should come out of your pocket not theirs...its your business, pay for own bullshit and quit living off others while claiming success |
| Ms. Superduper
User ID: 70651884 United States06/06/2017 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whether or not the position requires spelling, grammar, etc., or not, it makes a very important impression - that the person cares. It's sort of like going to an interview in dirty clothes and unbathed...did the interviewee care enough to be presentable for the job interview? One's presentation speaks volumes. Preparing a resume takes some effort and work. Is someone too lazy to work up a simple resume? Then, they will more than likely not care what kind of work they perform. First impressions. 5 stars Last Edited by Ms. Superduper on 06/06/2017 11:09 AM Greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world. Whatever feels good to your soul, do that. |
| Azaziah
(OP) User ID: 23833670 United States06/06/2017 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. I am not requiring mastery of English. Just basic spelling, sentences that make sense, and some sign that at least a little effort was taken. The resume is the first point of contact with a potential employer. If I did NOT judge the candidate based on the resume, I would be spending all my time interviewing. |
| Azaziah
(OP) User ID: 23833670 United States06/06/2017 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whether or not the position requires spelling, grammar, etc., or not, it makes a very important impression - that the person cares. It's sort of like going to an interview in dirty clothes and unbathed...did the interviewee care enough to be presentable for the job interview? One's presentation speaks volumes. Quoting: Ms. Superduper Preparing a resume takes some effort and work. Is someone too lazy to work up a simple resume? Then, they will more than likely not care what kind of work they perform. First impressions. 5 stars You said it better than I.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75012686 United States06/06/2017 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. He's not trolling and I think you are completely off base. A resume shows quite a bit about a person, how they think, their level of detail, how educated they are, etc. If they can't even create a simple resume explaining who they are and what they can offer a business in terms of "value", why should they even be considered? What you're saying is the person can be uneducated and ignorant, but if they can screw two blocks of wood together... they should be hired? I understand what you are saying, but if I owned a business and was looking to hire someone for ANY position, I would want the most qualified (educated) candidate. If they graduated high school and cannot complete a proper sentence, there's a problem and you shouldn't be enabling it. |
| Azaziah
(OP) User ID: 23833670 United States06/06/2017 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's YOUR responsibility to train quality and consistency...the quality of your employees should come out of your pocket not theirs...its your business, pay for own bullshit and quit living off others while claiming success Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70775367 Hey AC... I think I saw your resume in the pile! It is in the trash now. |
| Azaziah
(OP) User ID: 23833670 United States06/06/2017 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have millennials that I assist with their resumes for this reason. It seems that none of them understand the purpose of a resume, nor are they taught how to develop one. I see shitty resumes all the time, and when they leave my hands, they are professional, succinct and well formatted. Quoting: TheBiss The other thing I do is explain to them WHY I'm making the changes to the resume, and what purpose the change serves. The best resume I ever edited helped my wife get a good paying job after 20 years of marriage and stay-at-home child rearing, so she could eventually screw another guy, and I could file against her for divorce without having to pay her alimony. Sorry about the wife, but thanks for helping people out. If folks understood how important a resume is, they would (I hope) take it more seriously. |
| Ms. Superduper
User ID: 70651884 United States06/06/2017 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not an expert, but I've done some resumes to try and help out a friend. It's not my favorite thing to do for another person, but I've done it. Greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world. Whatever feels good to your soul, do that. |
| Azaziah
(OP) User ID: 23833670 United States06/06/2017 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. We are not screwing blocks of wood together. Our gear can be fairly complex, and everything simply has to be done right, or it will be caught in QC and it will just have to be done again. If a person cannot supply a resume that presents themselves in a good light, I certainly am not going to give them a precision assembly job. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75036044 United States06/06/2017 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have millennials that I assist with their resumes for this reason. It seems that none of them understand the purpose of a resume, nor are they taught how to develop one. I see shitty resumes all the time, and when they leave my hands, they are professional, succinct and well formatted. Quoting: TheBiss The other thing I do is explain to them WHY I'm making the changes to the resume, and what purpose the change serves. The best resume I ever edited helped my wife get a good paying job after 20 years of marriage and stay-at-home child rearing, so she could eventually screw another guy, and I could file against her for divorce without having to pay her alimony. Good job, never let a woman stay home watching kids, always keep her working otherwise you will lose custody of the kids when she leaves you. Plus children raised with a stay home mom turn out to be incredibly naive. Most of the social justice warriors were raised by a stay home mom and had a dad at work all the time who couldn't give them attention when they were young. |
| Fat Freddy's Cat
User ID: 72595724 United States06/06/2017 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i recently resigned my position at a factory as their trainer for this very reason. Quality of hires is pathetic. Meth heads, alcoholics, prescription meds, illiteracy, poor attendance, etc. For every good hire we made there were at least 10 that either don't last a week or are slow and never reach quotas but show up with out missing work. I'm in my 50's with arthritis, old injuries to joints and ligaments, herniated discs etc. It's all i can do to get to work. I hold cycle time records and quota records on every job we run and i'm their best operator. I'm a beat up tired guy....this should not be. People 10 to 30 years younger than me should be able to out perform me and they don't. There is no reason a beat up 50 something year old man should be the fastest in a factory of hundreds of people mostly younger than myself. It's the work ethic of these younger people...i'm done...sick of holding hands of bed wetters. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1712129 United States06/06/2017 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. A hard worker works hard at everything.(including his resume) A skilled worker is not always a hard worker. He maybe losing some skill but gaining good work ethic in return. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73178811 United States06/06/2017 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1712129 United States06/06/2017 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. A hard worker works hard at everything.(including his resume) A skilled worker is not always a hard worker. He maybe losing some skill but gaining good work ethic in return. Skill can be gained through experience. it's too late for them to gain work ethic. |
| queenbee User ID: 72138947 United States06/06/2017 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| B@Z
User ID: 836385 United States06/06/2017 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The flip side of this is that it is now very easy to differentiate yourself from other candidates, especially in the entry-level job categories. For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. - 1 Cor 1:18 Know God - Thread: The Terrifying Truth About God Rethink Hell - [link to www.rethinkinghell.com] :knowjesus3: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75034117  Ireland06/06/2017 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well FUCK YOU and don't be so judgemental. Jobs are scarce now. When your company goes down the drain with the economy, you just might find yourself in the same boat..typing up a shitty (it ain't gonna matter) CV... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74975987 United States06/06/2017 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. You don't know what you're talking about. It's the effort put into the resume over everything else that shows the character of the person. If they can't make it look somewhat decent, do you think they will give a shit about doing a good job on the manufacturing line? |
| Ravenage
User ID: 73435446 United States06/06/2017 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. He's not trolling and I think you are completely off base. A resume shows quite a bit about a person, how they think, their level of detail, how educated they are, etc. If they can't even create a simple resume explaining who they are and what they can offer a business in terms of "value", why should they even be considered? What you're saying is the person can be uneducated and ignorant, but if they can screw two blocks of wood together... they should be hired? I understand what you are saying, but if I owned a business and was looking to hire someone for ANY position, I would want the most qualified (educated) candidate. If they graduated high school and cannot complete a proper sentence, there's a problem and you shouldn't be enabling it. ...or... It shows quite a bit about the person they had write it for them and nothing at all about the job candidate regarding how they think, their level of detail, or their education. Last Edited by Ravenage on 06/06/2017 11:36 AM "The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive. ... Our own fight for the West does not begin on the battlefield — it begins with our minds, our wills, and our souls... Americans, Poles, and the nations of Europe value individual freedom and sovereignty. We must work together to counter forces, whether they come from inside or out, from the South or the East, that threaten over time to undermine these values and to erase the bonds of culture, faith and tradition that make us who we are. I am here today not just to visit an old ally, but to hold it up as an example for others who seek freedom and who wish to summon the courage and the will to defend our civilization." ~President Donald J Trump "...sometimes, you have to be a high-riding bitch to survive. Sometimes, being a bitch is all a woman has to hang onto." ~Vera Donovan "Pain or damage don't end the world, or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man-and give some back." ~Al Swearengen "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet." ~Mattis |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 39903149 United States06/06/2017 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| TheBiss
User ID: 4941047 United States06/06/2017 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good job, never let a woman stay home watching kids, always keep her working otherwise you will lose custody of the kids when she leaves you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75036044 Not IF but WHEN. Truth. [link to www.grainmill.coop] - Bulk foods, long term storage solutions [link to www.CatawbaCoops.com] - Unique A-Frame chicken coop plans |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74975987 United States06/06/2017 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Relativity
User ID: 75007676 United States06/06/2017 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I own a small manufacturing company. Most of the assembly work is done at a bench, with hand tools. The work is not difficult, but quality and consistency is paramount. Quoting: Azaziah We are entering into our busiest time of year, and steady growth combined with losing one of our senior bench techs has caused me to run some ads (after spreading the word around to friends and associates). I have been involved in the manufacturing business for about 30 years, and have seen thousands of resumes. The last couple weeks I have been reviewing a couple dozen resumes a day. What I am seeing now, is stunning and disappointing. When did people stop learning how to compose a sentence? When did they decide that a resume composed of two sentences is somehow complete? The poor level of spelling, grammar, and frankly effort has me perplexed and perpetually face-palming. So far, I have two resumes that were not immediately round-filed. Just two. If this is the current state of our potential work force, we are in trouble. Its because they never learned to write (except on a phone) “In finding balance between lies and trust there will never be a better source than to speak your truth or make your peace some other way.” ~Sully Erna Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. -Gandalph "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." - William Shakespeare |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74975987 United States06/06/2017 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. He's not trolling and I think you are completely off base. A resume shows quite a bit about a person, how they think, their level of detail, how educated they are, etc. If they can't even create a simple resume explaining who they are and what they can offer a business in terms of "value", why should they even be considered? What you're saying is the person can be uneducated and ignorant, but if they can screw two blocks of wood together... they should be hired? I understand what you are saying, but if I owned a business and was looking to hire someone for ANY position, I would want the most qualified (educated) candidate. If they graduated high school and cannot complete a proper sentence, there's a problem and you shouldn't be enabling it. ...or... It shows quite a bit about the person they had write it for them and nothing at all about the job candidate regarding how they think, their level of detail, or their education. It still shows the applicant put the effort into presenting a good resume. That would tell me the applicant would find ways to get things done correctly. |
| Azaziah
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| Carol B.
User ID: 72151426 United States06/06/2017 11:44 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I own a small manufacturing company. Most of the assembly work is done at a bench, with hand tools. The work is not difficult, but quality and consistency is paramount. Quoting: Azaziah We are entering into our busiest time of year, and steady growth combined with losing one of our senior bench techs has caused me to run some ads (after spreading the word around to friends and associates). I have been involved in the manufacturing business for about 30 years, and have seen thousands of resumes. The last couple weeks I have been reviewing a couple dozen resumes a day. What I am seeing now, is stunning and disappointing. When did people stop learning how to compose a sentence? When did they decide that a resume composed of two sentences is somehow complete? The poor level of spelling, grammar, and frankly effort has me perplexed and perpetually face-palming. So far, I have two resumes that were not immediately round-filed. Just two. If this is the current state of our potential work force, we are in trouble. Most of our potential work force does not want to work.  Prayer.....the world's first wireless connection. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74300267  Germany06/06/2017 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's YOUR responsibility to train quality and consistency...the quality of your employees should come out of your pocket not theirs...its your business, pay for own bullshit and quit living off others while claiming success Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70775367 ^ Stupid motherfucker. I agree that the person that thinks employers are responsible for training employees is wrong. |
| Azaziah
(OP) User ID: 23833670 United States06/06/2017 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Social media and standardized testing have ruined the art of writing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39903149 OP - Have you had any success finding candidates at job fairs? I have not tried job fairs. So far, we have had good luck via word of mouth and our circle of contacts. This is the first time in about three years that I have actually run ads and solicited resumes. |
