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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67211386 United States 06/06/2017 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. I am not requiring mastery of English. Just basic spelling, sentences that make sense, and some sign that at least a little effort was taken. The resume is the first point of contact with a potential employer. If I did NOT judge the candidate based on the resume, I would be spending all my time interviewing. I think maybe you should call your representatives and demand they improve public schools so your business will have candidates that meet your company standards. Then all your countryman can share in that expense so you may profit. Then you can spend your free time golfing rather than bitching. |
Azaziah
(OP) User ID: 23833670 United States 06/06/2017 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You require a resume for simple manufacturing? Maybe that is your problem... its easy work dont make it into something its not. You obviously not going to attract a rocket scientist, so take what you can get and work with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60059365 To be clear, I do not require a resume. The ads that we have placed have resulted in them. My best people were hired based on the interview, not on the resume. But sometimes the resume is the only thing that opens the door to the interview. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74928243 United States 06/06/2017 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. Have you ever hired a worker before? EVER? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75026812 United States 06/06/2017 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. Wrong. If they are not ambitious enough to want to learn English and composition properly, then they are too lazy to be trusted as a worker in anything. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74989348 United States 06/06/2017 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You require a resume for simple manufacturing? Maybe that is your problem... its easy work dont make it into something its not. You obviously not going to attract a rocket scientist, so take what you can get and work with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60059365 To be clear, I do not require a resume. The ads that we have placed have resulted in them. My best people were hired based on the interview, not on the resume. But sometimes the resume is the only thing that opens the door to the interview. You just said to me that you require resumes fuck head....dont back track |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74975987 United States 06/06/2017 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like how a lot of people here consider OP's job just to be a "shitty manufacturing job". It's as if it doesn't even have to be performed correctly. He's not looking for Einsteins, he's looking for someone who won't fuck up what they are supposed to do. Nowdays, it's hard to find anyone that can do anything competently, whether it be constructing a spaceship or flipping a burger. Even flipping a fucking burger at McDonalds has to be done correctly. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74989348 United States 06/06/2017 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You require a resume for simple manufacturing? Maybe that is your problem... its easy work dont make it into something its not. You obviously not going to attract a rocket scientist, so take what you can get and work with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60059365 To be clear, I do not require a resume. The ads that we have placed have resulted in them. My best people were hired based on the interview, not on the resume. But sometimes the resume is the only thing that opens the door to the interview. You said on Page 4 that you require resumes....you are confusing as fuck. No wonder you can't keep employees |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37790670 United States 06/06/2017 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I remember reading a couple resumes where the applicants listed awards they received in pre school/grade school, and even one who listed his fishing license where you're to list if you have a CDL, chauffers, other special licensing you might have. |
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Azaziah
(OP) User ID: 23833670 United States 06/06/2017 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You require a resume for simple manufacturing? Maybe that is your problem... its easy work dont make it into something its not. You obviously not going to attract a rocket scientist, so take what you can get and work with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60059365 To be clear, I do not require a resume. The ads that we have placed have resulted in them. My best people were hired based on the interview, not on the resume. But sometimes the resume is the only thing that opens the door to the interview. You just said to me that you require resumes fuck head....dont back track No I did not, snowflake. I said that blue collar jobs require a resume when the person offering the job requires one. Do you even comprehension, brah? |
The Raleigh Jogger User ID: 49973967 United States 06/06/2017 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. We are not screwing blocks of wood together. Our gear can be fairly complex, and everything simply has to be done right, or it will be caught in QC and it will just have to be done again. If a person cannot supply a resume that presents themselves in a good light, I certainly am not going to give them a precision assembly job. This is your problem right here OP. It seems you view the job as some kind of gift you bestow upon those you deem worthy. This is not a good thing. In business everything is a deal / arrangement. You have a template for what you want and employees have templates for what they want. A job is a deal where the employee is trading their time for the productivity you need. However, when you view the job as you seem to, you're not considering both sides of an arrangement. This is usually the perspective error that leaves you wanting someone to do the work you need with no reasonable compensation. You probably get only the crappy resumes because the compensation isn't in balance with the job description. Those "educated" people you desire so much see right through this and decide not to apply to your opening. I would look more at what you are expecting through the job description vs what you are offering to applicants. Past that, I don't know what it is you assemble, but I know I can put together just about anything in this world, design highly complex networks, policies, processes and have rescued businesses in peril through such improvements, only to get screwed over. I have stopped applying to such positions where the balance outlined above is out of whack because it tells me (applicant) a few things. First is that it would be a miserable place to work at. If a given job requires a bunch of stuff that doesn't pertain to the actual tasks and has low pay windows then every person is probably miserable working there. It makes the company a drain on everyone. It also tells me that the "boss" or manager is very detached from understanding their employees' perspective. If these things are not due to such detachment, then it is a case of the boss simply being greedy, or a POS person that one shouldn't waste their time on. Back to the deal and arrangement topic. The simple answer is that if you're not attracting the caliber of applicants you desire, then you need to improve the deal in order to attract those applicants. Having only your interests in mind ALWAYS shows through in the job description and drives away quality employees. I would start by looking at what your competitors are offering in your market and measure those deals against your own. You have to look at the ones who are finding the employees they want and then use that analysis to improve the deal you offer. What you're facing isn't that no one is skilled. There are better offers out there and the target people you're looking for are going for those better offers. I hope this info helps you find the employees you're looking for. You talk a good game, but you really have no clue what you're talking about. You think like an idealist. Almost everything you stated above has to do with inadequate compensation. So if you pay more, you get better workers. This is not true at all. Also, you have clue how much OP pays, you're only guessing he does not pay enough. Compensation is not just $$$ and I covered one of the most basic forms of compensation past money. There is also benefits, singing bonuses, perks, vacation time and many other things that can be changed around to make a deal more appealing. If you have a one-sided view of a deal you will always fail and never find what you want in an arrangement. |
Ron User ID: 5710731 United States 06/06/2017 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey OP. Can you post the job description for the job you are hiring for? You are getting illiterate people because you are likely offering a job that doesn't pay a fair wage in comparison to the workload given. You DID say your senior bench guy quit. You wouldn't have quality people bailing out on you if you were treating employees good. Ever hear the saying you get what you pay for? That's like buying a obviously fake rolex watch and getting upset that it doesn't measure up to the real thing. It just isn't logical. OP reminds me of a old boss I had that hired illegals for min wage and got upset when they fucked stuff up. If you want quality people, make a quality job offer. Obviously, your job offer isn't appealing to quality people. Thus, all the illiterate applicants your being flooded with. I bet many of those people with shit resumes could handle your assembly line job with ease. But you won't know this because your so caught up on a resume for a damn factory job. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72530568 Canada 06/06/2017 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like how a lot of people here consider OP's job just to be a "shitty manufacturing job". It's as if it doesn't even have to be performed correctly. He's not looking for Einsteins, he's looking for someone who won't fuck up what they are supposed to do. Nowdays, it's hard to find anyone that can do anything competently, whether it be constructing a spaceship or flipping a burger. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74975987 Even flipping a fucking burger at McDonalds has to be done correctly. ^^^ this. |
Azaziah
(OP) User ID: 23833670 United States 06/06/2017 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You require a resume for simple manufacturing? Maybe that is your problem... its easy work dont make it into something its not. You obviously not going to attract a rocket scientist, so take what you can get and work with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60059365 To be clear, I do not require a resume. The ads that we have placed have resulted in them. My best people were hired based on the interview, not on the resume. But sometimes the resume is the only thing that opens the door to the interview. You said on Page 4 that you require resumes....you are confusing as fuck. No wonder you can't keep employees No I did not. I said that blue collar jobs require a resume when the person offering the job requires one. Said in response to another butt-hurt person claiming otherwise. |
Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om
Breshears is Off: Ask Me Why User ID: 65955727 United States 06/06/2017 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. He's not trolling and I think you are completely off base. A resume shows quite a bit about a person, how they think, their level of detail, how educated they are, etc. If they can't even create a simple resume explaining who they are and what they can offer a business in terms of "value", why should they even be considered? What you're saying is the person can be uneducated and ignorant, but if they can screw two blocks of wood together... they should be hired? I understand what you are saying, but if I owned a business and was looking to hire someone for ANY position, I would want the most qualified (educated) candidate. If they graduated high school and cannot complete a proper sentence, there's a problem and you shouldn't be enabling it. ...or... It shows quite a bit about the person they had write it for them and nothing at all about the job candidate regarding how they think, their level of detail, or their education. Thank you, you get it! (B)ullshit™ always needs an amplified bullhorn demanding kneeling subservience - or else.- SyncAsFunk The light within me always draws me back to make the dark decision to leave the false counterfeit light. -New Heart |
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User ID: 75036381 United States 06/06/2017 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. This is simply not so. I don't know about OP's jobs, but having been a small business owner for decades, I can tell you that medium skill jobs do as a matter of fact require reading and writing skills. We had a fellow sent over from some state job service who was illiterate. But we did not know that at first. He could not be taught the most simple tasks on the computer, he could not read instructions for tools, industrial chemicals or safety/emergency procedures. He could not read invoices or work orders. We finally learned that he couldn't read, and he was shifted back to the state where he got training not in a job skill but in reading. He was motivated to work, he was cooperative, he was pleasant and was average intelligence. But he could not read. Jobs require employees to write job orders, trouble slips, change orders, etc. They need to be able to read the above too. If a PhD in English was looking for a job, it's not likely he would be applying at a manufacturing facility. We have had a lot of employees during the years, and none of them were PhDs, though some of them were pretty sharp. But they damned well had to be able to read and write. This is not the 19th century. *** Good deeds bring rewards, bad actions bring troubles. That is a law of the universe. *** |
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Forum Administrator 06/06/2017 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whether or not the position requires spelling, grammar, etc., or not, it makes a very important impression - that the person cares. It's sort of like going to an interview in dirty clothes and unbathed...did the interviewee care enough to be presentable for the job interview? One's presentation speaks volumes. Quoting: Ms. Superduper Preparing a resume takes some effort and work. Is someone too lazy to work up a simple resume? Then, they will more than likely not care what kind of work they perform. First impressions. 5 stars That, and a shitty resume indicates a lack of attention to detail <---- that is a BIG deal for a bench tech Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74989348 United States 06/06/2017 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You require a resume for simple manufacturing? Maybe that is your problem... its easy work dont make it into something its not. You obviously not going to attract a rocket scientist, so take what you can get and work with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60059365 To be clear, I do not require a resume. The ads that we have placed have resulted in them. My best people were hired based on the interview, not on the resume. But sometimes the resume is the only thing that opens the door to the interview. You just said to me that you require resumes fuck head....dont back track No I did not, snowflake. I said that blue collar jobs require a resume when the person offering the job requires one. Do you even comprehension, brah? So you were not implying that you require resumes when you said that.....soooo you just randomly decided to say "blue collar jobs require a resume when the person offering the jobs REQUIRES it"....I'm starting to think maybe we need to see your RESUME!!! |
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User ID: 72217239 United States 06/06/2017 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The last report I read showed Baby Boomers retiring at a rate of 10.000 per day here in the U.S. Many of them are leaving highly skilled, high paying jobs, and are being replaced by Gen Xers and Millenials. Something I've seen at the company I work for is that the retiring Baby Boomers by and large did not pass on their knowledge and experience, and the Gen Xers and Millenials filling their slots are either low skilled or entry level. It'll be great for the younger generations in the short term, but in the long term, that loss of knowledge and experience could be devastating. I did it. I did it on purpose. And I'll do it again. |
Sassy Granny
User ID: 70382294 United States 06/06/2017 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position. Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do. If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more. Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English. Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid. I am not requiring mastery of English. Just basic spelling, sentences that make sense, and some sign that at least a little effort was taken. The resume is the first point of contact with a potential employer. If I did NOT judge the candidate based on the resume, I would be spending all my time interviewing. Agree, one of my daughters works in Payroll and HR and interviews applicants all the time. She says it's unbelievable. [link to qanonmap.github.io (secure)] Thread: q-list of abbreviations Thread: "DOT" Global Consciousness Project [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.” Quoted by Lincoln-written by John Lydgate THIS world is not conclusion; A sequel stands beyond,Invisible, as music, But positive, as sound.-Emily Dickinson |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74989348 United States 06/06/2017 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You require a resume for simple manufacturing? Maybe that is your problem... its easy work dont make it into something its not. You obviously not going to attract a rocket scientist, so take what you can get and work with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60059365 To be clear, I do not require a resume. The ads that we have placed have resulted in them. My best people were hired based on the interview, not on the resume. But sometimes the resume is the only thing that opens the door to the interview. You said on Page 4 that you require resumes....you are confusing as fuck. No wonder you can't keep employees No I did not. I said that blue collar jobs require a resume when the person offering the job requires one. Said in response to another butt-hurt person claiming otherwise. So do you require a resume or not? If you dont why are you whining about them so much. I mean I'd expect more from a leader |
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Sassy Granny
User ID: 70382294 United States 06/06/2017 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Azaziah To be clear, I do not require a resume. The ads that we have placed have resulted in them. My best people were hired based on the interview, not on the resume. But sometimes the resume is the only thing that opens the door to the interview. You just said to me that you require resumes fuck head....dont back track No I did not, snowflake. I said that blue collar jobs require a resume when the person offering the job requires one. Do you even comprehension, brah? So you were not implying that you require resumes when you said that.....soooo you just randomly decided to say "blue collar jobs require a resume when the person offering the jobs REQUIRES it"....I'm starting to think maybe we need to see your RESUME!!! I think your a shill and an idiot. [link to qanonmap.github.io (secure)] Thread: q-list of abbreviations Thread: "DOT" Global Consciousness Project [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.” Quoted by Lincoln-written by John Lydgate THIS world is not conclusion; A sequel stands beyond,Invisible, as music, But positive, as sound.-Emily Dickinson |
Azaziah
(OP) User ID: 23833670 United States 06/06/2017 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey OP. Can you post the job description for the job you are hiring for? You are getting illiterate people because you are likely offering a job that doesn't pay a fair wage in comparison to the workload given. You DID say your senior bench guy quit. You wouldn't have quality people bailing out on you if you were treating employees good. Quoting: Ron 5710731 Ever hear the saying you get what you pay for? That's like buying a obviously fake rolex watch and getting upset that it doesn't measure up to the real thing. It just isn't logical. OP reminds me of a old boss I had that hired illegals for min wage and got upset when they fucked stuff up. If you want quality people, make a quality job offer. Obviously, your job offer isn't appealing to quality people. Thus, all the illiterate applicants your being flooded with. I bet many of those people with shit resumes could handle your assembly line job with ease. But you won't know this because your so caught up on a resume for a damn factory job. I said ONE of our senior techs is leaving. With a four week notice, after he used this job to pay for his degree in physical therapy. He is now ready to move on, and I wish him the best. Excellent young man. We pay well, and our retention is high. It is not an assembly line job, at all. Hell, we even have 'bring a gun to work day' on Fridays. We provide lunch and targets and even pay people as though they were working because it is an extended lunch. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74989348 United States 06/06/2017 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74989348 You just said to me that you require resumes fuck head....dont back track No I did not, snowflake. I said that blue collar jobs require a resume when the person offering the job requires one. Do you even comprehension, brah? So you were not implying that you require resumes when you said that.....soooo you just randomly decided to say "blue collar jobs require a resume when the person offering the jobs REQUIRES it"....I'm starting to think maybe we need to see your RESUME!!! I think your a shill and an idiot. Of course you would say some dumb shit like that....i expect it from an old cunt |
darkwolf007
User ID: 69195067 United States 06/06/2017 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I own a small manufacturing company. Most of the assembly work is done at a bench, with hand tools. The work is not difficult, but quality and consistency is paramount. Quoting: Azaziah We are entering into our busiest time of year, and steady growth combined with losing one of our senior bench techs has caused me to run some ads (after spreading the word around to friends and associates). I have been involved in the manufacturing business for about 30 years, and have seen thousands of resumes. The last couple weeks I have been reviewing a couple dozen resumes a day. What I am seeing now, is stunning and disappointing. When did people stop learning how to compose a sentence? When did they decide that a resume composed of two sentences is somehow complete? The poor level of spelling, grammar, and frankly effort has me perplexed and perpetually face-palming. So far, I have two resumes that were not immediately round-filed. Just two. If this is the current state of our potential work force, we are in trouble. Writing skills have atrophied in the wake of cell phone texting addictions. It's like a bad drug. The more you do, the worse you get at everything else. Wish I lived close enough to you to apply. I remember your posts about what you do and wish I could afford to buy some your gear. It isn't that it's too expensive. I'm just making less than I have in 20 years. Best of luck weeding through the resumes. Not me, Resister. I'm prone to typing what is tantamount to ebooks for texts. With my Castle Clash guild on Line I sometimes do wall o' texts so I can form cohesive thought patterns, and just plain make sense while very rarely ever doing the shortened versions for texts of any kind. I usually do those as jokes instead. Conspiracy Theorist is nothing more than a derogatory title used to dismiss a critical thinker. A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us." -- St. Anthony The Great Social Credit Loser here. |