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Polygraph Berger: Department of Justice Investigation Incomplete
by Amanda B. Carpenter

Posted: 03/08/2007

President Bill Clinton’s National Security Advisor Sandy Berger has pleaded guilty to stealing classified documents from the National Archives, but the case is still not over.

In a curt February 16 letter, the Department of Justice (DOJ) dismissed a 60-page report by the Republican staff of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Affairs that demanded Berger be given the polygraph test he agreed to take in order to determine the extent of his theft of materials from the Archives.

“We believe there are no facts that would justify a polygraph of Mr. Berger at this time,” said a letter from Acting Assistant Atty. Gen. Richard Hertling to the committee’s ranking Republican member, Rep. Tom Davis (R.-Va.), who was chairman when the report was being created.

On January 9, Davis’s committee staff released their report titled “Sandy Berger’s Theft of Classified Document: Unanswered Questions.” While preparing to present testimony before the Graham-Goss Commission and to represent President Bill Clinton’s National Security Council staff before the 9/11 Commission, Berger viewed classified material at the National Archives on four different occasions between May 2002 and October 2003.


Berger admitted to stealing classified documents during his second, third and fourth visits. However, the DOJ was interested only in the documents stolen during Berger’s last two visits and not in exploring the possibility that Berger stole other documents in his initial visits to the Archives.

This is what is known about Berger’s visits to the National Archives: On his first visit, May 30, 2002, Berger viewed office files of White House terrorism adviser Richard Clarke. On his second visit, July 18, 2003, Berger removed classified notes from the Archives. On his third visit, Sept. 2, 2003, he removed a highly classified copy of the Millennium Alert After Action Review (MAAAR). The MAAAR was written after the arrest of Ahmed Ressan, who had planned acts of terrorism at Los Angeles International Airport on Dec. 31, 1999. This document had been faxed to the Archives from the Clinton Library in Little Rock, Ark., shortly after Berger’s first visit. On his fourth visit, Oct. 2, 2003, Berger removed classified documents, classified notes and copies of e-mail documents. According to officials at the Archives, these were copies or drafts of the MAAAR that had been faxed from Little Rock. Berger admitted to stealing four of documents during his October 2 visit. After leaving the Archives that day, Berger hid classified documents under a trailer in a construction area near the Archives that he later retrieved. He destroyed three of these documents by cutting them into small pieces and disposing of them in the trash.

Although Berger pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents in 2005, the DOJ did not thoroughly investigate all Berger’s visits to the Archives. The DOJ was concerned only with the items Berger stole in his third and fourth visits, even though he admitted he had taken classified notes during his second visit.

The Inspector General of the National Archives and Records Administration, Paul Brachfeld, wrote in an internal memo that Nancy Kegen Smith, who directs the Archives’ presidential documents staff and supervised Berger’s first two visits, told him she “would never know what if any original documents were missing.”

Therefore, it is unknown whether the classified notes Berger admitted to taking on his July 18 visit are the only items he removed during the first two visits.

Davis said the DOJ was “unacceptably incurious” about Berger’s first and second trips to the Archives.

The report concluded: “There is no basis for concluding that Berger did not remove original documents during his first two visits to the National Archives. It is not knowable whether Berger removed critical documents responsive to 9/11 Commission during those two visits. Given Berger’s admission that he removed his classified notes during the July 18, 2003, visit, he certainly could have removed other classified documents.”

As a part of his plea deal, Berger agreed to undergo a polygraph test, but he was never made to do it.

The Republicans on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform are now rightly asking that that test be administered in order to help determine the extent of Berger’s theft of classified documents from the National Archives.

Below are key excerpts from Davis’ report:



On Nov. 19, 2004, Archives IG investigators met with FBI to discuss their investigation. During their meeting, the FBI confirmed to Archives IG investigators that they did not question Berger about his first two visits to the Archives. The Archives IG’s staff asked FBI agents why. The FBI told Brachfeld’s staff that they did not question Berger about his first two visits because the first visit on May 30, 2002, was not relevant to the 9/11 Commission document requests and during the second visit on July 18, 2003, Berger was supervised.…
When asked by committee staff how they could be so sure Berger did not take original documents during his first two visits, [Justice Department investigators John] Dion and [Bruce] Swartz explained that it was difficult to prove a negative. They stated that the Justice Department could not prove that he did not take anything else, but found no evidence that suggested he did. Dion and Swartz also stated that Berger established further credibility in his proffer by disclosing the embarrassing manner in which he stole documents by stashing them in a construction site. Committee staff asked Dion and Swartz whether they ever polygraphed Berger pursuant to paragraph 11 (c) of Berger’s Plea Agreement which requires Berger to “voluntarily submit to a polygraph examination.” They said they did not.…

The lack of interest in Berger’s first two visits is disturbing. The May 30, 2002, document review was on the same subject matter as Berger’s other three visits. Berger spent May 30, 2002, looking at Richard Clarke’s original files. Had Berger seen a “smoking gun” or other document he did not want to be brought to an investigatory panel’s attention, he could have removed it on this visit. The May 2002 research session by Berger was sufficiently critical to the 9/11 Commission’s document requests that on receipt of the official EOP requests, the Archives staff first action was to pull the materials that had been set aside for Berger’s prior visit in May 2002.

The 9/11 Commission reported that at least one memo written by Clarke contained Berger’s handwritten notations. On Dec. 4, 1999, Clarke advised Berger to attack al Qaeda facilities in the week before Jan. 1, 2000. According to the 9/11 Commission, in the margin adjacent to this suggestion, Berger rejected Clarke’s suggestion to hit al Qaeda and wrote “no.”…

According to Phillip Zelikow, the executive director of the 9/11Commission, the commissioners and staff conducted a “lengthy and detailed private interrogation with Mr. Berger.” The interview took place on Jan. 14, 2004.… As Zelikow remembers, they were not aware of the Berger investigation at the time of Berger’s private interview on Jan. 14, 2004. Zelikow wished the Commission had known earlier. While they would not have confronted Berger about the allegations, Zelikow said “they could have reflected on it” and it could have affected the credibility of Berger’s answers.…Zelikow said the Justice Department had told them Berger removed different versions of the Millennium Alert After Action Report and based on discussions the Commission believed this was the scope of the damage. The Justice Department represented to Zelikow that they believed they had accounted for all the documents Berger had stolen. The Department of Justice never advised Zelikow that Berger had access to original, uncopied materials....
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Probably stuffing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . his face!
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you mean "Socks" Berger
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Sandy did what he did out of mortal terror.

He didn't want to be just another name on the death list.
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What war did Sandy's actions cause?
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berger didn't out a cia op like libby did.
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What war did Sandy's actions cause?
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Iraq ... he took the key info that Iraq didn't have WMD
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berger didn't out a cia op like libby did.
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I think it is more important to remember Why he did it, not so much what he did.

He used the power of the Exective to silence a critic of War plans knowing that the critic was right.
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Libby should serve exactly as much time in prison as Clinton did for perjury.
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Libby should serve exactly as much time in prison as Clinton did for perjury.
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What about the Obstruction of Justice count, how much time should he serve for that?
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Libby should serve exactly as much time in prison as Clinton did for perjury.

What about the Obstruction of Justice count, how much time should he serve for that?
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Clinton was impeached on two counts, grand jury perjury (228–206) and obstruction of justice (221–212),
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Berger wasn't indited because he had too much dirt on too many in DC
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Libby should serve exactly as much time in prison as Clinton did for perjury.

What about the Obstruction of Justice count, how much time should he serve for that?

Clinton was impeached on two counts, grand jury perjury (228–206) and obstruction of justice (221–212),
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Bill Clinton was acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999 of the December 19, 1998, impeachment charge by the House of Representatives.

A trial is does not equal guilt, that is what the trial is for. Libby was convicted, Bill wasn't.
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Libby should serve exactly as much time in prison as Clinton did for perjury.

What about the Obstruction of Justice count, how much time should he serve for that?

Clinton was impeached on two counts, grand jury perjury (228–206) and obstruction of justice (221–212),

Bill Clinton was acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999 of the December 19, 1998, impeachment charge by the House of Representatives.

A trial is does not equal guilt, that is what the trial is for. Libby was convicted, Bill wasn't.
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LOL, Bill was innocent, right?
He did not have sexual relations with that woman.
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Libby should serve exactly as much time in prison as Clinton did for perjury.

What about the Obstruction of Justice count, how much time should he serve for that?

Clinton was impeached on two counts, grand jury perjury (228–206) and obstruction of justice (221–212),

Bill Clinton was acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999 of the December 19, 1998, impeachment charge by the House of Representatives.

A trial is does not equal guilt, that is what the trial is for. Libby was convicted, Bill wasn't.

LOL, Bill was innocent, right?
He did not have sexual relations with that woman.
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Libby was found guilty, bill was not. Is that so hard to understand? You serve time for crimes you are convicted of.
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LOL, Bill was innocent, right?
He did not have sexual relations with that woman.
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RULE OF LAW!!!!!!
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So, you'd say justice was served in Bill's case?
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Sandy Berger? There's a name from the past.

So who even cares?

Oh I get it.

THIS is the SPIN ZONE>

Well, you can spin and twist in the wind, Sucker!

Cheney is going DOWN.
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Sandy Berger? There's a name from the past.

So who even cares?

Oh I get it.

THIS is the SPIN ZONE>

Well, you can spin and twist in the wind, Sucker!

Cheney is going DOWN.
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Stay away from sharp knives you moron.
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Yeah the wignuts of our government werein control of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of government. What happened? Guess they kinda dropped the ball on that one eh. Oh, also ya gotta love those quotes from the first president with Alzheimers while serving as leader of this country.
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LOL, Bill was innocent, right?
He did not have sexual relations with that woman.

RULE OF LAW!!!!!!
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fucking lawyers
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fucking lawyers
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bump for Sam De Burglar, Klintoon asslicker and general buttboy extraordinaire!
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What war did Sandy's actions cause?
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how about the cover up of 911

they knew and didn't tell bush

it was a set up from 1999

and clinton made sure the paper trail was gone


great job
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Can't we all agree that they're all crooks? Which family do you want in charge?
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Can't we all agree that they're all crooks? Which family do you want in charge?
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I think the mafia would do a better job
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Can't we all agree that they're all crooks? Which family do you want in charge?
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No I dont agree.

Hell yes there are crooks in Congress. God, there isnt a business, church, organization or club in the nation that doesnt have crooks inside every single one.

They are like roaches but we really do have some damn good, honest politicains in congress who care. We have good police officers, even a couple of good lawyers, not too many but we do have them.

If you want to see the world as everyone is a crook then im sorry for you.
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On January 9, Davis’s committee staff released their report titled “Sandy Berger’s Theft of Classified Document:

Unanswered Questions.”

While preparing to present testimony before the Graham-Goss Commission and to represent President Bill Clinton’s National Security Council staff before the 9/11 Commission, Berger viewed classified material at the National Archives on four different occasions between May 2002 and October 2003.
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