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The soul is not immortal

 
Photine  (OP)

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Jesus promised a resurrection to a paradise earth. Moses is not alive right now but still awaiting his resurrection. The battle of Armageddon needs to happen first.
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3Suddenly Moses and Elijah appeared before them, talking with Jesus. 4Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If You wish, I will put up three shelters: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”

Matthew 17:3

Moses was resurrected by Christ, who is the Resurrection, even before Jesus Himself was resurrected; he is now in Heaven, and represents those who have died in Christ and sleep in the grave, who will be resurrected and given a new body.

Elijah never saw death and is in Heaven, representing those who are alive in Christ at the time of His Second Coming, and will never taste death.

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"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
Amos 3:7 WYC
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Ill find out when I die, or maybe I wont.....
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"Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:12.
"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
Amos 3:7 WYC
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When Jesus returns, "We shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, ... and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. ... For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." 1 Corinthians 15:51-53.

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"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
Amos 3:7 WYC
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Thread: God will destroy you if you eat pork. No true Christian tell people that God will destroy you for eating pork.God gave all animals and plants for people as their friends,source of food.OP won't answer to me because I exposed her heresies ,she won't explain this heresy because she's lost ,lost people tend to repeat same shit over and over again and hestitate to accept the truth
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You are right the soul is not immortal. Those that rebel at the final judgement will go into the lake of fire and they will be consumed and destroyed. This is known as the second death....death for all eternity and will last forever.
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LOL....it deleted my post....yes, you are an ARROGANT POS
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We are the eternal universe experiencing itself subjectively, through the lenses of perceived "individuality".

We truly are all linked. God is within us all, and everywhere else.

That's the problem with this world. We either think to much, or not at all. We all need to feel with our hearts more.
 Quoting: Master of Nothing


This is satanic.
 Quoting: Photine


elaborate how so?
 Quoting: Master of Nothing


It doesn't fit OP's narrative of course. I really like this interpretation, it seems quite fitting.

God in its infinite state encompasses everything but as a whole experiences nothing. God as an infinite but segmented into billions of individual creations having unique experiences in a space created uniquely for this purpose gives the observer (God) the ability to experience itself and its creation over and over again.

God was lonely, but by creating time and space (as well as everything in it,) God will never be lonely again. It's just too bad we can't recognize God for what it is (everything) because maybe we'd be better to one another.
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Precisely what my heart tells me, my friend. Well said.
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You are right the soul is not immortal. Those that rebel at the final judgement will go into the lake of fire and they will be consumed and destroyed. This is known as the second death....death for all eternity and will last forever.
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100% Biblical truth.
"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
Amos 3:7 WYC
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The bible is full of shit
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Jesus promised a resurrection to a paradise earth. Moses is not alive right now but still awaiting his resurrection. The battle of Armageddon needs to happen first.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


3Suddenly Moses and Elijah appeared before them, talking with Jesus. 4Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If You wish, I will put up three shelters: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”

Matthew 17:3

Moses was resurrected by Christ, who is the Resurrection, even before Jesus Himself was resurrected; he is now in Heaven, and represents those who have died in Christ and sleep in the grave, who will be resurrected and given a new body.

Elijah never saw death and is in Heaven, representing those who are alive in Christ at the time of His Second Coming, and will never taste death.
 Quoting: Photine


No one was able to be resurrected to heaven before Jesus

John 3:13
And no man has gone up into heaven, but there is One who came down from heaven, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
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Revelations 6


9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

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This sounds as if the annunaki were talikng to the spirits of dead people (on the astral plane?) waiting to be recreated as humans in "gods kingdom" on the "new earth"
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Who can know.
You are like a group of blind men arguing over the color of cheese.
The outcome is not preordained.
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People just look at this piece of shit thread about Poland

"I am entirely of the opinion that the papacy is the Antichrist. But if anyone wants to add the Turk [Muslim], then the Pope is the spirit of the Antichrist, and the Turk is the flesh of the Antichrist. They help each other in their murderous work. The latter slaughters bodily and by the sword, the former spiritually and by doctrine." - Martin Luther

Isn't it a bit coincidental that the most Catholic country (Poland) is seen as the savior of Europe, when the Vatican is the one who created Islam in the first place?

Why has Poland been spared from the Muslim horde unleashed on Europe, like it has in the past, when Islam was first created by Rome and unleashed on the world in the middle ages, to destroy the Je-ws and the true Christians??
Thread: Isn't it a bit coincidental that the most Catholic country (Poland) is seen as the savior of Europe?

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Poland reject Islam because we are not brainwashed like Western Europeans
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Op are you 7th day adventist?
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People just look at this piece of shit thread about Poland

"I am entirely of the opinion that the papacy is the Antichrist. But if anyone wants to add the Turk [Muslim], then the Pope is the spirit of the Antichrist, and the Turk is the flesh of the Antichrist. They help each other in their murderous work. The latter slaughters bodily and by the sword, the former spiritually and by doctrine." - Martin Luther

Isn't it a bit coincidental that the most Catholic country (Poland) is seen as the savior of Europe, when the Vatican is the one who created Islam in the first place?

Why has Poland been spared from the Muslim horde unleashed on Europe, like it has in the past, when Islam was first created by Rome and unleashed on the world in the middle ages, to destroy the Je-ws and the true Christians??
Thread: Isn't it a bit coincidental that the most Catholic country (Poland) is seen as the savior of Europe?

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Poland reject Islam because we are not brainwashed like Western Europeans
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do all poles whine so much like you? can see how the pope took over your country so easy.
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Who can know.
You are like a group of blind men arguing over the color of cheese.
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The color of the cheese is apparent to all. It's the structure and tendency of it that seems to be losing people.

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People just look at this piece of shit thread about Poland

"I am entirely of the opinion that the papacy is the Antichrist. But if anyone wants to add the Turk [Muslim], then the Pope is the spirit of the Antichrist, and the Turk is the flesh of the Antichrist. They help each other in their murderous work. The latter slaughters bodily and by the sword, the former spiritually and by doctrine." - Martin Luther

Isn't it a bit coincidental that the most Catholic country (Poland) is seen as the savior of Europe, when the Vatican is the one who created Islam in the first place?

Why has Poland been spared from the Muslim horde unleashed on Europe, like it has in the past, when Islam was first created by Rome and unleashed on the world in the middle ages, to destroy the Je-ws and the true Christians??
Thread: Isn't it a bit coincidental that the most Catholic country (Poland) is seen as the savior of Europe?

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Poland reject Islam because we are not brainwashed like Western Europeans
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do all poles whine so much like you? can see how the pope took over your country so easy.
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No wonder Islam took over Germany so easy,Germans are simply most naive nations in the world.Sheeple following their twisted leaders into abyss
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Perhaps this will surprise most, even most Christians, but the Bible refers to the soul as immortal zero times, rather, it says "Only God is immortal". 1 Timothy 6:16, and says that the dead "know nothing" Ecclesiastes 9:5.

Indeed, "Christ formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7.

So we are living souls, which consist of two parts: dust (body), and the breath of life (spirit).

When one dies, "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7.

So the two parts which make up a soul, a living being are separated at death, and the soul ceases to be.

"The body without the spirit is dead." James 2:26

Nowhere in all of the Bible does is say that the "spirit" has any life, wisdom, or feeling after a person dies. It is the "breath of life" and nothing more.

"the dead do not know anything; they have no further reward--and even the memory of them disappears."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV
 Quoting: Photine


Explain to me oh genius. How can consciousness interact with non living matter?

The consensus among people of intelligence is that the only way consciousness can interact is with other consciousness. So matter is conscious although not on the level that would be respected by most people.
Homeopathy agrees with this.
Astrology agrees with this.

All that is alive has an organization, a geometrical blueprint. Which is why planets are round. Space rocks which are debris are not round.
All that is geometrical has an electromagnetic field around it. So matter has perpetual energy (electrons don't stop orbitting, do they?) Where do they get the energy from? Not from matter that is certain.

So you think you are conscious and alive, yet you consider the body to be non-living matter. So according to you non-living matter can be alive if you just form it into a very complex geometry, totally ignoring the energetics of it.

If you believe matter is non living, than you must admit you are a programmed robot with no free will whatsoever.
See how this goes?

Furthermore mr scientist can you tell us all how smart you are by explaining why it is that all of creation originated from the 'big bang' also creating so called black holes, which eat up everything, YET somehow the big bang was the most massive object, and somehow it could explode for no reason whatsoever. Does that make sense?

Furthermore black holes are invented, they don't exist.
There is just a concentration of consciousness at the center, which is not material.
Scientists have never observed anything at the center of everything. If you claim they have, you lie.
It all circles around nothing, and they ASSUME it must have matter since they see planets orbitting around suns etc.

Just because something more powerful makes the rules, doesn't automatically mean it has to consist of matter.
If it did, how come they can't detect it?

They can detect EVERYTHING, but not the center?
Radionics teaches us that a sphere concentrates all energy inward. The highest concentration of energy is at the center. You assume matter to have the highest energy.
I think it is consciousness.

Stop making people afraid with your thoughts.
And stop the religious bullshit.
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Who can know.
You are like a group of blind men arguing over the color of cheese.
 Quoting: Deplorable Jesse McCree


1 Thessalonians 5:2-4King James Version (KJV)

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
Amos 3:7 WYC
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When one dies, "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7.

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I'll stick to the astrophysics: "dust" is going to dark matter, "spirit" into the dark energy

math of first one (dust) says it's going to be nowhere forever, and "spirit consciouss waves" are going to be everywhere at the same time, but the time itself cease to exist.

which one is better?

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This is for you

Luke 6:39
Jesus also gave them this illustration: "Can one blind person lead another? Won't both fall into the same pit?
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OP censors anything contradicts her biased world view. What a worthless, typical liberal.

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I am immortal, I am an old soul, be careful a thought

becomes a thing, you don't think we are only 10,000 old do you?

Who wrote the Bible, a King and a Pope both control freaks
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Perhaps this will surprise most, even most Christians, but the Bible refers to the soul as immortal zero times, rather, it says "Only God is immortal". 1 Timothy 6:16, and says that the dead "know nothing" Ecclesiastes 9:5.

Indeed, "Christ formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7.

So we are living souls, which consist of two parts: dust (body), and the breath of life (spirit).

When one dies, "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7.

So the two parts which make up a soul, a living being are separated at death, and the soul ceases to be.

"The body without the spirit is dead." James 2:26

Nowhere in all of the Bible does is say that the "spirit" has any life, wisdom, or feeling after a person dies. It is the "breath of life" and nothing more.

"the dead do not know anything; they have no further reward--and even the memory of them disappears."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV
 Quoting: Photine


so we have to take the words of the bible literally ? (in your opinion)
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We are the eternal universe experiencing itself subjectively, through the lenses of perceived "individuality".

We truly are all linked. God is within us all, and everywhere else.

That's the problem with this world. We either think to much, or not at all. We all need to feel with our hearts more.
 Quoting: Master of Nothing


This is satanic.
 Quoting: Photine


pffft-spitsmoke
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Things will not end after your death ...

The annunaki seem to have access to the astral planes of earth as well:

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Revelations 20

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

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"death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them"

It seems evil souls get trapped by the annunaki on the astral plane....

What if hell is real - it´s on the astral!!


If you are wicked, and you die, you get trapped into a nightmarish "dream" on the astral from which you are no longer able to wake up!

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Also read the Book of Enoch, there are multiple chapters in it discussing what happens to the spirits of the deceased after their death.

Yes, its the same: "God" (the annunaki) will judge them ...


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Book of Enoch, Chapter 20
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3 Raphael, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of men.
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2 Sa 12 : 23
when speaking of the child of his adultery with Uriah's wife, Dave said:

"But now he is dead; why should I fast: Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."

Where is it that Dave will go to be reunited with the dead child ?!

There is Hades / Sheol

Sheol is the residence of the departed
on one side is Abraham's Bosom
and the other side is the torture room

the unbelieving go to the torture room to await the great white throne judgement

the Abraham's Bosom side was cleared out at the end of the 3 days when "death was defeated"

thus it is said: Absent from the body, present with the Lord

and for the unbelieving it is also true
Absent from the body, present in Hades / Sheol

Hell / Gehenna is empty, the first occupants will be the beast and the false prophet

Job said:
For I know that my Redeemer lives, and He shall stand at last on the earth; and after my skin is destroyed, this I know that in my flesh I shall see God, whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another ...

Ecclesiastes is the book of appearances,
what life looks like to men who are living in a fallen / reprobate etc. state
Solomon was given over to his flesh whilst he sought happiness in all the things the world has to offer
the opening paragraphs explain this in great detail

the dead know nothing refers to what is still happening on earth after they have departed

Der Führer knows nothing about anything after 1945

we are tripart beings
flesh, soul, and spirit
the unregenerate have a dead spirit

John tells us in 5 : 24 - 29

that everyone comes back, either to everlasting life or everlasting condemnation

if it's not forever, if there is nothing to be rescued from, then what's the point

do as the pagans do
eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die

but know this, if it is true, and it is forever then doing as the pagans do will lead to everlasting condemnation not everlasting life

there are 2 new body types
one built for heaven which can stand in the presence of the Almighty
one built for the lake of fire / hell / Gehenna which can withstand the eternal torments of "Hell"
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The soul is immortal, whether you agree with it or not. Why do you think Christ came here?
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We are the eternal universe experiencing itself subjectively, through the lenses of perceived "individuality".

We truly are all linked. God is within us all, and everywhere else.

That's the problem with this world. We either think to much, or not at all. We all need to feel with our hearts more.
 Quoting: Master of Nothing


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