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Senate Obamacare Repeal Now At ‘Confused Clusterfuck’ Stage

 
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Senate Obamacare Repeal Now At ‘Confused Clusterfuck’ Stage
After voting yesterday to open debate on killing the Affordable Care Act, Senate Republicans have so far failed to pass a procedural vote on the “Better Care Reconciliation Act” and are moving forward with a vote on a straight repeal of the ACA, which is also expected to fail. Their goal now is to find something, anything, they can pass with 50 votes, which would then become the basis of negotiations with the House for something they’ll call an Obamacare repeal, with or without a replacement. We are now at the “Confused Clusterfuck” stage in the Senate’s majestic process of lawmaking.

Tuesday evening, the Senate voted 57-43 to reject the most recent version of BCRA (which we learned on TV can be pronounced “bic-ra” if you want), which included Ted Cruz’s insane proposal to split the individual market into junk insurance for they young and good insurance for the old and sick, which is a bad idea for spreading the risk pool around. Nine Republicans bolted on that vote, including rightwingers Mike Lee (who helped Cruz write his amendment) and Rand Paul, who thought the bill retained too much of the ACA, as well as “moderates” like Dean Heller, Susan Collins, and Lisa Murkowski. John McCain, who made quite a show of vowing he would never ever ever vote for the BCRA since it was drafted in secret and was very bad, voted for the damned thing anyway, although his office issued a statement saying it didn’t count since it was a “procedural” vote on debating BCRA, and he really is opposed to the bill. Since that version of the bill would have required a score from the Congressional Budget Office, it would have needed 60 votes to pass. Big fail there, big fail.

The newest fad for all the Republican teens is a “skinny repeal,” which is made with whipped skim milk and tastes like foamed air. It would “only” repeal a few provisions of the ACA: the individual mandate to purchase health insurance, the mandate for companies with more than 50 employees to provide health insurance for their employees, and a repeal of the medical device tax. But those first two would be quite enough to throw the individual insurance market into a “death spiral,” since there would be no incentive for young, healthy people to have insurance in the first place. With no penalty to be paid, people would wait until they’re sick to buy insurance, and individual insurance would soon become unaffordable..

So once something gets to the conference committee, what beautiful joint healthcare plan would they come up with? Fuck if anyone knows. They just came up with the “skinny repeal” ruse a few days ago, so why would they be thinking any farther than “go to conference and come up with a thing”? But it would get 50 Republicans on record as having voted to repeal Obamacare, and isn’t that all they need to do to get reelected? Maybe they’d come up with some kind of replacement plan they could pass and that Donald Trump could sign, too.

Why would anyone think the details of what happens to people’s healthcare matters to these guys? They made a promise to repeal Obamacare, and that’s all they really care about, because then they won’t be primaried from the right.
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Re: Senate Obamacare Repeal Now At ‘Confused Clusterfuck’ Stage
Clusterfuck in Congress

Clusterfuck at the White House

So much winning!
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Trump is not the problem IN THE LEAST...it's the deep state obstructionists that keep blackmailing the congressmen to keep obozocare so they can keep ripping us the US citizens with their "F U PAY ME health plan"... that's why congress won't let anything good for US citizens pass, only bad, anti-American stuff passes.
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7 fucking years...they had 7 fucking years to craft something better...they kept saying that line over and over and over again how they could create a better healthcare bill but we all knew that was absolute BULLSHIT...i mean come on now....it's pretty obvious the party of obstruction has met a dead-end...

during the election, Trump himself said he would be passing a healthcare plan that would make our policies cost "a tiny fraction" of what they have been. is that gonna happen? fuck no, it isn't.

dumb fucking Americans will continue to vote Republican and fucking that chicken
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2018 Mid-term election.
You know what to do America.

ohyeah

....and start with these people first.....

Obamacare repeal bill fails in Senate
"Senators voted 45-55 on the measure, with seven Republicans and all Democrats voting no.
The Republicans voting NO were...
Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia
Susan Collins of Maine
Dick Heller of Nevada
John McCain of Arizona
Rob Portman of Ohio
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.

Only Collins voted against the measure in 2015."
[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com]



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And today, the Senate voted AGAINST repeal without replace.

Clusterfuck ON
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2018 Mid-term election.
You know what to do America.

ohyeah

....and start with these people first.....

Obamacare repeal bill fails in Senate
Senators voted 45-55 on the measure, with seven Republicans and all Democrats voting no.
The Republicans voting NO were...
Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia
Susan Collins of Maine
Dick Heller of Nevada
John McCain of Arizona
Rob Portman of Ohio
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.

Only Collins voted against the measure in 2015.
[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com]



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If a bill gets passed that does not reduce my policy cost to "a tiny fraction" of what it cost last year, as Donald Trump promised, I know what to do too.
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After voting yesterday to open debate on killing the Affordable Care Act, Senate Republicans have so far failed to pass a procedural vote on the “Better Care Reconciliation Act” and are moving forward with a vote on a straight repeal of the ACA, which is also expected to fail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74793209


7 years, control of BOTH Chambers, AND the presidency, and they STILL can't get a fucking thing done.


But the trumpster CAN still tweet while shitting out what little brain he has left.



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2018 Mid-term election.
You know what to do America.

ohyeah

....and start with these people first.....

Obamacare repeal bill fails in Senate
Senators voted 45-55 on the measure, with seven Republicans and all Democrats voting no.
The Republicans voting NO were...
Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia
Susan Collins of Maine
Dick Heller of Nevada
John McCain of Arizona
Rob Portman of Ohio
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.

Only Collins voted against the measure in 2015.
[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com]



:senators:
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


If a bill gets passed that does not reduce my policy cost to "a tiny fraction" of what it cost last year, as Donald Trump promised, I know what to do too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71108157


Here is what Trump promised:

"My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability," said Trump on Oct. 25. "You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost. And it's going to be so easy."
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Re: Senate Obamacare Repeal Now At ‘Confused Clusterfuck’ Stage
2018 Mid-term election.
You know what to do America.

ohyeah

....and start with these people first.....

Obamacare repeal bill fails in Senate
Senators voted 45-55 on the measure, with seven Republicans and all Democrats voting no.
The Republicans voting NO were...
Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia
Susan Collins of Maine
Dick Heller of Nevada
John McCain of Arizona
Rob Portman of Ohio
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.

Only Collins voted against the measure in 2015.
[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com]



:senators:
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


If a bill gets passed that does not reduce my policy cost to "a tiny fraction" of what it cost last year, as Donald Trump promised, I know what to do too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71108157


Here is what Trump promised:

"My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability," said Trump on Oct. 25. "You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost. And it's going to be so easy."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73369768


That's not the only tie Trump promised that he would get a bill through that would make our policies cost less:

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2018 Mid-term election.
You know what to do America.

ohyeah

....and start with these people first.....

Obamacare repeal bill fails in Senate
Senators voted 45-55 on the measure, with seven Republicans and all Democrats voting no.
The Republicans voting NO were...
Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia
Susan Collins of Maine
Dick Heller of Nevada
John McCain of Arizona
Rob Portman of Ohio
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.

Only Collins voted against the measure in 2015.
[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com]



senators
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


If a bill gets passed that does not reduce my policy cost to "a tiny fraction" of what it cost last year, as Donald Trump promised, I know what to do too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71108157


Here is what Trump promised:

"My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability," said Trump on Oct. 25. "You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost. And it's going to be so easy."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73369768


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Re: Senate Obamacare Repeal Now At ‘Confused Clusterfuck’ Stage
After voting yesterday to open debate on killing the Affordable Care Act, Senate Republicans have so far failed to pass a procedural vote on the “Better Care Reconciliation Act” and are moving forward with a vote on a straight repeal of the ACA, which is also expected to fail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74793209


7 years, control of BOTH Chambers, AND the presidency, and they STILL can't get a fucking thing done.


But the trumpster CAN still tweet while shitting out what little brain he has left.



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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72068185


seethis1
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Trump is not the problem IN THE LEAST...it's the deep state obstructionists that keep blackmailing the congressmen to keep obozocare so they can keep ripping us the US citizens with their "F U PAY ME health plan"... that's why congress won't let anything good for US citizens pass, only bad, anti-American stuff passes.
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I completely agree! When was the last time these people in D.C did anything to help citizens in this country? They just rip us off every chance they get. I think we will end up with some single payer socialist cluster fuck heatlhcare. Both sides will blame each other why they cant give us a decent heathcare bill. Just get the government the fuck out of heatlhcare business!
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2018 Mid-term election.
You know what to do America.

ohyeah

....and start with these people first.....

Obamacare repeal bill fails in Senate
Senators voted 45-55 on the measure, with seven Republicans and all Democrats voting no.
The Republicans voting NO were...
Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia
Susan Collins of Maine
Dick Heller of Nevada
John McCain of Arizona
Rob Portman of Ohio
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.

Only Collins voted against the measure in 2015.
[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com]



:senators:
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


If a bill gets passed that does not reduce my policy cost to "a tiny fraction" of what it cost last year, as Donald Trump promised, I know what to do too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71108157


Here is what Trump promised:

"My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability," said Trump on Oct. 25. "You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost. And it's going to be so easy."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73369768


threadp0int
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


I think the point is that Trump promised several times that he would get a healthcare bill passed that will give us health care "at a tiny fraction of the cost" we pay now.

We should hold Trump to that. And if whatever they pass costs us more, then vote the bastards out.
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If they don't repeal the death panels, which will be enacted this September, those senators might as well not come back. Their may be a revolution that would overthrow their sorry corrupt arses.
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I want it repealed period.
I was under the impression it was to be repealed and there would be a transition period a couple of years, with grant money that would help people obtain insurance that qualified as lower income and needing to obtain coverage.
The transition period would end.
I am not under the impression we are to be forced to buy insurance and there is a penalty for those who do not pay for it.
If they have to force people to pay for it and rob them if they do not, then it is nothing I want any part of.
That is what the business here think as well and they will cut out employees if they go back to the Obamacare mobster days.
That will cost people their jobs and cause the prospect of hiring to vanish.
We go with the owners on what they want even in voting we went with their way they wanted.
They will throw a fit over that.
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Flash forward...one year later and it's still at confused clusterfuck stage.
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Flash forward...one year later and it's still at confused clusterfuck stage.
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