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Christians and everyone else, do you accept Paul's gospel? It is of Christ

 
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I disagree.

Jesus main mission was to Israel, but yet He didn't refuse Gentiles.

...the Centurian
...the Caananite woman "bread crumbs from the table"
...the Samaritans

The ONLY time Jesus told the Apostles to NOT go to the Gentiles was when He sent them on their FIRST mission in Matthew 10

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and
commanded them, saying, Go not into
the way of the Gentiles, and into any city
of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the
house of Israel.


After that...Jesus told them these times...

Matthew 28:19 (KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mark 14:9 (KJV) Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Mark 16:15 (KJV) And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Acts 1:8 (KJV) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Matthew supposedly went as far as Ethiopia
Thomas to India
Peter supposedly went to Rome
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


What part do you disagree with?
 Quoting: Achduke7


What book are you guys reading??
Acts 11:19
"Now those who had been scattered by the persecution that broke out when Stephen was killed traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, spreading the word only among Jews.
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1



If Peter never preached to a gentile then why did Paul chastised him when he acted like a gentile when he was with the gentiles? The twelve tribes are made up from more tribes then just the Jewish people. The Jewish people are only one tribe of the twelve. There are 13 tribes if you consider the tribe of Joseph was split up into two tribes one for each of his sons. Those tribes were scattered around the world after the Assyrians conquered the Northern Kingdom of Israel. The South Kingdom of Israel was occupied by the Jewish people.


Notice the Samarian woman Jesus talked to at the well.


John 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

She had Jacob as a father just as Jesus did. She was not Jewish yet she was part of non-believing part of Israel. She was considered a gentile but was descended from Jacob/Israel.


James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John,

Acts 9:38-40 38 And forasmuch as Lydda was nigh to Joppa, and the disciples had heard that Peter was there, they sent unto him two men, desiring him that he would not delay to come to them. 39 Then Peter arose and went with them. When he was come, they brought him into the upper chamber: and all the widows stood by him weeping, and shewing the coats and garments which Dorcas made, while she was with them. 40 But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up.

 Quoting: Achduke7


I may have missed your point. I apologize. I believe when the term Jew is used "spreading the word, only among the Jews, this is an compassing term used to mean all Israel... pay attention to who these letters are addressed to and it is indeed to the Priesthood that had been scattered abroad... NONE of these letters are to Gentiles...

The only recorded instance of Peter dealing with a Gentile was Cornelius, where GOD command Peter to go to the house of Cornelius, and showed Peter that he was now dealing with the Gentiles... James used Peter experience to come to Paul's defense at the Jerusalem Counsel meeting which happened about 51AD, or 23 years after Pentacoast, where James makes this amazing statement.

Acts 15:12 "The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. ( ie: this is the Body of Christ ) 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

16
“‘After this, ( "this" refers to the calling out of the body ) I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17
that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’—
18
things known from long ago.[c]

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I may have missed your point. I apologize. I believe when the term Jew is used "spreading the word, only among the Jews, this is an compassing term used to mean all Israel... pay attention to who these letters are addressed to and it is indeed to the Priesthood that had been scattered abroad... NONE of these letters are to Gentiles...

The only recorded instance of Peter dealing with a Gentile was Cornelius, where GOD command Peter to go to the house of Cornelius, and showed Peter that he was now dealing with the Gentiles... James used Peter experience to come to Paul's defense at the Jerusalem Counsel meeting which happened about 51AD, or 23 years after Pentacoast, where James makes this amazing statement.

Acts 15:12 "The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. ( ie: this is the Body of Christ ) 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

16
“‘After this, ( "this" refers to the calling out of the body ) I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17
that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’
18
things known from long ago.[c]
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Galatians 2:11 When Cephas came to Antioch
, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.

How do you say Peter did not deal with the Gentiles when even Paul documents that Peter was with the Gentiles in Antioch? These were not Jews because Peter shied away when the Jews from James showed up.

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Removing Paul from the Bible (that's what you have to do if Paul is "false")
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


Fallacious reasoning entirely. From there you just compound on the same false premise.

Jumping to conclusions based on mob majorities kneejerk reactions not recommended. You tout about acceptance of the Bible in its "totality" yet refuse to look at it that way yourself e.g. the suggestion Pauls's Biblical role is to fulfill prophecy as False Apostle.

To the born again believer, Paul is easy to understand. I too understand. That said, Jesus is the stumbling block, not Paul.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon
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p.s. keep your Hebrew/Judaic Roots brush away from me pls. I use Yahshua because supposedly that is how it was pronounced in His day. Like Joshua with a silent J, it means YVHV Saves or (Name of His Father) Saves
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I may have missed your point. I apologize. I believe when the term Jew is used "spreading the word, only among the Jews, this is an compassing term used to mean all Israel... pay attention to who these letters are addressed to and it is indeed to the Priesthood that had been scattered abroad... NONE of these letters are to Gentiles...

The only recorded instance of Peter dealing with a Gentile was Cornelius, where GOD command Peter to go to the house of Cornelius, and showed Peter that he was now dealing with the Gentiles... James used Peter experience to come to Paul's defense at the Jerusalem Counsel meeting which happened about 51AD, or 23 years after Pentacoast, where James makes this amazing statement.

Acts 15:12 "The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. ( ie: this is the Body of Christ ) 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

16
“‘After this, ( "this" refers to the calling out of the body ) I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17
that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’
18
things known from long ago.[c]
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Galatians 2:11 When Cephas came to Antioch
, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.

How do you say Peter did not deal with the Gentiles when even Paul documents that Peter was with the Gentiles in Antioch? These were not Jews because Peter shied away when the Jews from James showed up.
 Quoting: Achduke7


I should have said "ministered to", not "had no dealings with". I believe Peter was curious as to Paul's ministry and wanted to see what was going on at Antioch... when the others showed up from Jerusalem to see also, he withdrew from the gentiles because he knew he was breaking the law...

The priesthood was never released from the law...and have been blinded to the "age of grace"... "blindness in part has come unto the house of Israel until the fullness of the gentiles comes in"...

I believe, toward the end of Peter's life, he came to a better understanding of Pauls message but states there are some things in Pauls epistles are hard to understand...

"And suppose that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul according to the wisdom given unto him wrote to you.
"As one that in all his Epistles speaketh of these things: among the which, some things are hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable, wrest, as they do also other Scriptures unto their own destruction."

Moses brought the dispensation of law to Israel, (the priesthood)... Paul brought the dispensation of grace to the gentiles...

"For this cause, I Paul am the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles.
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God, which is given me to youward,
3 That is, that God by revelation hath showed this mystery unto me (as I wrote above in few words,
4 Whereby when ye read, ye may know mine understanding in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not opened unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy Apostles and Prophets by the Spirit,
6 That the Gentiles should be inheritors also, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the Gospel,7 Whereof I am made a minister by the gift of the grace of God given unto me through the effectual working of his power.
8 Even unto me the least of all Saints is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles, the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 And to make clear unto all men what the fellowship of the mystery is, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who hath created all things by Jesus Christ,"

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Re: Christians and everyone else, do you accept Paul's gospel? It is of Christ
Removing Paul from the Bible (that's what you have to do if Paul is "false")
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


Fallacious reasoning entirely. From there you just compound on the same false premise.

Jumping to conclusions based on mob majorities kneejerk reactions not recommended. You tout about acceptance of the Bible in its "totality" yet refuse to look at it that way yourself e.g. the suggestion Pauls's Biblical role is to fulfill prophecy as False Apostle.

To the born again believer, Paul is easy to understand. I too understand. That said, Jesus is the stumbling block, not Paul.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon
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p.s. keep your Hebrew/Judaic Roots brush away from me pls. I use Yahshua because supposedly that is how it was pronounced in His day. Like Joshua with a silent J, it means YVHV Saves or (Name of His Father) Saves
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


Fallacious reasoning entirely, no. Not for those who accept the Bible, in totality, and also dismiss your theory of Paul being a "false" apostle. I reject that theory.

My statement is, however, fallacious reasoning entirely to you. And you are certainly entitled to that opinion. You will get no argument from me as to being free to have an opinion.
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Re: Christians and everyone else, do you accept Paul's gospel? It is of Christ
Removing Paul from the Bible (that's what you have to do if Paul is "false")
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


Fallacious reasoning entirely. From there you just compound on the same false premise.

Jumping to conclusions based on mob majorities kneejerk reactions not recommended. You tout about acceptance of the Bible in its "totality" yet refuse to look at it that way yourself e.g. the suggestion Pauls's Biblical role is to fulfill prophecy as False Apostle.

To the born again believer, Paul is easy to understand. I too understand. That said, Jesus is the stumbling block, not Paul.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon
Realy activates the almonds desu

p.s. keep your Hebrew/Judaic Roots brush away from me pls. I use Yahshua because supposedly that is how it was pronounced in His day. Like Joshua with a silent J, it means YVHV Saves or (Name of His Father) Saves
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


Fallacious reasoning entirely, no. Not for those who accept the Bible, in totality, and also dismiss your theory of Paul being a "false" apostle. I reject that theory.

My statement is, however, fallacious reasoning entirely to you. And you are certainly entitled to that opinion. You will get no argument from me as to being free to have an opinion.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon

The point you're missing is I do accept the Bible in totality and have found that False Apostle Paul fits the narrative like a supernatural glove.

BTW it took me years to notice the handy arrows in the upper right corner. Really nifty for navigating who-said-whatever and such.
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Re: Christians and everyone else, do you accept Paul's gospel? It is of Christ
Removing Paul from the Bible (that's what you have to do if Paul is "false")
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


Fallacious reasoning entirely. From there you just compound on the same false premise.

Jumping to conclusions based on mob majorities kneejerk reactions not recommended. You tout about acceptance of the Bible in its "totality" yet refuse to look at it that way yourself e.g. the suggestion Pauls's Biblical role is to fulfill prophecy as False Apostle.

To the born again believer, Paul is easy to understand. I too understand. That said, Jesus is the stumbling block, not Paul.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon
Realy activates the almonds desu

p.s. keep your Hebrew/Judaic Roots brush away from me pls. I use Yahshua because supposedly that is how it was pronounced in His day. Like Joshua with a silent J, it means YVHV Saves or (Name of His Father) Saves
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


Fallacious reasoning entirely, no. Not for those who accept the Bible, in totality, and also dismiss your theory of Paul being a "false" apostle. I reject that theory.

My statement is, however, fallacious reasoning entirely to you. And you are certainly entitled to that opinion. You will get no argument from me as to being free to have an opinion.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon

The point you're missing is I do accept the Bible in totality and have found that False Apostle Paul fits the narrative like a supernatural glove.

BTW it took me years to notice the handy arrows in the upper right corner. Really nifty for navigating who-said-whatever and such.
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Spread the message of Christ then. Even if you are not preaching faith in the blood atonement for our sins, you will still be leading people in the right direction.

Whatever you are doing now helps nobody except those who try to discredit the Bible, they will copy paste everything you say. You are hurting your own cause.
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Spread the message of Christ then. Even if you are not preaching faith in the blood atonement for our sins, you will still be leading people in the right direction.

Whatever you are doing now helps nobody except those who try to discredit the Bible, they will copy paste everything you say. You are hurting your own cause.
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You're right, I should try to spread the message of Christ more. Thank you. It's way past my bedtime. Hopefully, I'll be able to offer a full reply after I get some sleep.
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Re: Christians and everyone else, do you accept Paul's gospel? It is of Christ
Removing Paul from the Bible (that's what you have to do if Paul is "false")
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


Fallacious reasoning entirely. From there you just compound on the same false premise.

Jumping to conclusions based on mob majorities kneejerk reactions not recommended. You tout about acceptance of the Bible in its "totality" yet refuse to look at it that way yourself e.g. the suggestion Pauls's Biblical role is to fulfill prophecy as False Apostle.

To the born again believer, Paul is easy to understand. I too understand. That said, Jesus is the stumbling block, not Paul.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon
Realy activates the almonds desu

p.s. keep your Hebrew/Judaic Roots brush away from me pls. I use Yahshua because supposedly that is how it was pronounced in His day. Like Joshua with a silent J, it means YVHV Saves or (Name of His Father) Saves
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


Fallacious reasoning entirely, no. Not for those who accept the Bible, in totality, and also dismiss your theory of Paul being a "false" apostle. I reject that theory.

My statement is, however, fallacious reasoning entirely to you. And you are certainly entitled to that opinion. You will get no argument from me as to being free to have an opinion.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon

The point you're missing is I do accept the Bible in totality and have found that False Apostle Paul fits the narrative like a supernatural glove.

BTW it took me years to notice the handy arrows in the upper right corner. Really nifty for navigating who-said-whatever and such.
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Okay. So, You've told me what you believe pretty clearly, and also called my reasoning fallacious based on knee jerk mob reactions. I think I'm pretty clear about who said whatever now.

Thanks for the clarification.



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I should have said "ministered to", not "had no dealings with". I believe Peter was curious as to Paul's ministry and wanted to see what was going on at Antioch... when the others showed up from Jerusalem to see also, he withdrew from the gentiles because he knew he was breaking the law...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


I do not think he was breaking a law of God. This was a law from the Phrasias that the Jews followed. God showed Peter that believing Gentiles are not unclean like the Jews believed.

The priesthood was never released from the law...and have been blinded to the "age of grace"... "blindness in part has come unto the house of Israel until the fullness of the gentiles comes in"...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


We are no longer under the law of sin and death but we are still under the law of the spirit. The Jews are saved the same as everyone else. The written laws never saved. Without the spirit we were not following the righteousness from God. This is how it was always supposed to be but Israel rejected God on the mountain. We were not given the spirit until Christ but it was foretold by the prophets. Peter was never a priest under the written law. Jews are not permitted to be priests under the written law. Only later are the believers part of a whole priesthood.

1peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.


I believe, toward the end of Peter's life, he came to a better understanding of Pauls message but states there are some things in Pauls epistles are hard to understand...

"And suppose that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul according to the wisdom given unto him wrote to you.
"As one that in all his Epistles speaketh of these things: among the which, some things are hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable, wrest, as they do also other Scriptures unto their own destruction."

Moses brought the dispensation of law to Israel, (the priesthood)... Paul brought the dispensation of grace to the gentiles...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Paul and Peter taught the same Gospel. Paul makes this clear to the house of Chloe.

1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Paul and Cephas[Peter] preached the same thing and Paul said they were not divided. It is the same gospel and there is only one gospel.

Peter and Paul both had the Spirit of God in them. They spoke what God taught them. They were speaking for God. Not on their own accord.

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I should have said "ministered to", not "had no dealings with". I believe Peter was curious as to Paul's ministry and wanted to see what was going on at Antioch... when the others showed up from Jerusalem to see also, he withdrew from the gentiles because he knew he was breaking the law...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


I do not think he was breaking a law of God. This was a law from the Phrasias that the Jews followed. God showed Peter that believing Gentiles are not unclean like the Jews believed.

The priesthood was never released from the law...and have been blinded to the "age of grace"... "blindness in part has come unto the house of Israel until the fullness of the gentiles comes in"...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


We are no longer under the law of sin and death but we are still under the law of the spirit. The Jews are saved the same as everyone else. The written laws never saved. Without the spirit we were not following the righteousness from God. This is how it was always supposed to be but Israel rejected God on the mountain. We were not given the spirit until Christ but it was foretold by the prophets. Peter was never a priest under the written law. Jews are not permitted to be priests under the written law. Only later are the believers part of a whole priesthood.

1peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.


I believe, toward the end of Peter's life, he came to a better understanding of Pauls message but states there are some things in Pauls epistles are hard to understand...

"And suppose that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul according to the wisdom given unto him wrote to you.
"As one that in all his Epistles speaketh of these things: among the which, some things are hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable, wrest, as they do also other Scriptures unto their own destruction."

Moses brought the dispensation of law to Israel, (the priesthood)... Paul brought the dispensation of grace to the gentiles...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Paul and Peter taught the same Gospel. Paul makes this clear to the house of Chloe.

1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Paul and Cephas[Peter] preached the same thing and Paul said they were not divided. It is the same gospel and there is only one gospel.

Peter and Paul both had the Spirit of God in them. They spoke what God taught them. They were speaking for God. Not on their own accord.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Peter had no concept of the mysteries that were revealed to Paul... they were keep secret until Jesus revealed them to Paul... the body of Christ, rapture, co-heirs with Christ, salvation through believe only...

I'm certainly not trying to convince you, or change what you believe in,... and I have enjoyed your thoughtful responses... as long as we can both agree that, for us, our salvation is based on the shed blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin... 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ... this is our gospel... if you believe that, we are indeed brothers in Christ...
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I should have said "ministered to", not "had no dealings with". I believe Peter was curious as to Paul's ministry and wanted to see what was going on at Antioch... when the others showed up from Jerusalem to see also, he withdrew from the gentiles because he knew he was breaking the law...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


I do not think he was breaking a law of God. This was a law from the Phrasias that the Jews followed. God showed Peter that believing Gentiles are not unclean like the Jews believed.

The priesthood was never released from the law...and have been blinded to the "age of grace"... "blindness in part has come unto the house of Israel until the fullness of the gentiles comes in"...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


We are no longer under the law of sin and death but we are still under the law of the spirit. The Jews are saved the same as everyone else. The written laws never saved. Without the spirit we were not following the righteousness from God. This is how it was always supposed to be but Israel rejected God on the mountain. We were not given the spirit until Christ but it was foretold by the prophets. Peter was never a priest under the written law. Jews are not permitted to be priests under the written law. Only later are the believers part of a whole priesthood.

1peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.


I believe, toward the end of Peter's life, he came to a better understanding of Pauls message but states there are some things in Pauls epistles are hard to understand...

"And suppose that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul according to the wisdom given unto him wrote to you.
"As one that in all his Epistles speaketh of these things: among the which, some things are hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable, wrest, as they do also other Scriptures unto their own destruction."

Moses brought the dispensation of law to Israel, (the priesthood)... Paul brought the dispensation of grace to the gentiles...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Paul and Peter taught the same Gospel. Paul makes this clear to the house of Chloe.

1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Paul and Cephas[Peter] preached the same thing and Paul said they were not divided. It is the same gospel and there is only one gospel.

Peter and Paul both had the Spirit of God in them. They spoke what God taught them. They were speaking for God. Not on their own accord.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Peter had no concept of the mysteries that were revealed to Paul... they were keep secret until Jesus revealed them to Paul... the body of Christ, rapture, co-heirs with Christ, salvation through believe only...

I'm certainly not trying to convince you, or change what you believe in,... and I have enjoyed your thoughtful responses... as long as we can both agree that, for us, our salvation is based on the shed blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin... 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ... this is our gospel... if you believe that, we are indeed brothers in Christ...
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All these were presented before the apostles who did not understand them until Christ made them known to them after his resurrection.

Salvation is based on the shedding of the blood of Christ for forgiveness of sin. This was all laid out to the apostles also. Paul does detail it very well but blood, resurrection, forgiveness of sin, gentiles receiving salvation was all given to the apostles.


Luke 24:45-47 45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

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I would be hesitant to expand grace to more than it says it covers. Paul taught the same thing Peter and the Apostles did when they stayed in Jerusalem until 70AD.

The letters seem to be for the Church during the period of time called 'the time of the Gentiles' and it started in 70AD (Luke:21:24) and when the trumps start sounding in Re:11 there is 42 months left until that period ends. It would appear to be the time a believers prayers are heard in the Re:4 Temple and that is important during the sounding of the first 6 trumps as prayers for safety from physical harm as well as confession of of sins.
Sin changed from being an completed action to that of having a thought. That is what grace covers simply because without bit there would be no members of the Gentile Church that would qualify to be saved. A sin committed after knowing about grace is done with the expectation that grace will cover it. Grace does not cover that sin as it would be a 'work' and not the 'free gift' that it is.

Ro:6:15:
What then?
shall we sin,
because we are not under the law,
but under grace?
God forbid.

Ro:11:5:
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Ro:11:6:
And if by grace,
then is it no more of works:
otherwise grace is no more grace.
But if it be of works,
then is it no more grace:
otherwise work is no more work.

Feeding the poor is a reflex action to a Church member.

Jas:2:15-17:
If a brother or sister be naked,
and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them,
Depart in peace,
be ye warmed and filled;
notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body;
what doth it profit?
Even so faith,
if it hath not works,
is dead,
being alone.

Roman:13 is how the Church is supposed to act in any nation, the selection in IPeter:4:4 would be for the time it takes for the 6 trumps to sound and be completed. The 5th trump sounds 4 days after the 1st one does and on the day the two witnesses are resurrected the Beast that starts his time on the day the 5th trump sounds is sent to the fiery lake so that day is the 1st day of the 1,000 year reign. All 7 vials are poured out and all the Re:20:4 resurrections will have been completed by 6PM.

Grace would be involved in the list of people labeled as being 'blessed' and since all of mankind enters the new earth as a shepherd or as a member of the flock it seems to be about some people getting rewarded 1 day before the others receive the same reward.

I'm not sure the full list of the ones called 'the blessed' are alive at the end of the Re:20:4 resurrection as they could be the first in line to be resurrected when the much larger group is gathered before God at the end of the 1,000 year reign.

That list of people would be the ones that build their homes outside of the wall of New Jerusalem in the New Earth verses (Isaiah:65) When they first move out into the Universe it is empty as Angels have moved to Mount Sion as that is their promised New Heaven which leaves the universe empty except for what they built. Home for the first one to enter there would be a solar system or even a galaxy depending on the numbers.

Isa:60:22:
A little one shall become a thousand,
and a small one a strong nation:
I the LORD will hasten it in his time.

The Shepherds are 120 years ahead of the Flock as far as wisdom about the kingdom of God. If men ever enter Mount Sion and call it home the stream between the 1st group and the steady stream that follows would be a gap of 120 years and, again' everyone would be included before the 'event was finished'
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Whatever you are doing now helps nobody except those who try to discredit the Bible, they will copy paste everything you say. You are hurting your own cause.
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That might seem initially the only net result. However once fully digested and rightly understood this perspective on Paul's role in no way subtracts from the Bible's credibility. To the contrary, in my view, it magnificently enhances the Bible's credibility all the more as God's living Word with a timeless multilayered capacity to enlighten His people. Far beyond what we might have originally imagined.

Listen to Jesus: "Why do you call me 'Good teacher'? Call no man good. There is only one Good. The Father"

Paul's place is not a black vs white issue. Seeing it that way is the cause of all cognizant dissonance that generally arises whenever the subject gets introduced.

What have most of Christianity consistently and immediately done when they set about scouring to extract clear meaning between the four Gospels (i.e.Truth) and the Epistles (i.e.letters)? We've labored under the assumption that since they're in the Bible the authors and their writings must be all good and entirely true. Whether we think we can make sense of it all in that way or not.

On the flip side, those that stumble into Paul as False, unable to shake the inclination he must be all false, get naturally driven to the opposite side of the spectrum. That Paul, son of the devil, his father the liar, intended to lead Christ's followers astray- here's how... look! here also- yadda yadda -and so on.

What can be certain is the character portrayed as Paul is human. By all accounts he possesed and displayed a gigantic ego. A learned man among ignorant masses. Ready willing and able to seize control and offer guidance. Driven by the need to convey his deeply personal spiritual experience and vision for the sake of all. In essence, demanding his version of truth be accepted as is without question lest any be cast outside the body of the church.

Jesus taught it's not our job to be final Judge of any man. In leaning on Paul to be either St. or Devil we go against this command and as a result cast ourselves outside the bounds of Truth our Father would have us know.

Or at least that's the way I see it...
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Spread the message of Christ then. Even if you are not preaching faith in the blood atonement for our sins, you will still be leading people in the right direction.

Whatever you are doing now helps nobody except those who try to discredit the Bible, they will copy paste everything you say. You are hurting your own cause.
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You're right, I should try to spread the message of Christ more. Thank you. It's way past my bedtime. Hopefully, I'll be able to offer a full reply after I get some sleep.
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After sleeping on it, at first my words seemed better off standing alone. I still wanted to attempt a full answer but was distracted by the latest SRA victim interview being broadcast live that morning. Engulphed in anguish afterward, this 'Paul' struggle seemed almost petty in comparison to the actual horrific monsters that would continue to rein our world IRL.

Almost

From the beginning, I viewed the revealing of Paul as the False Apostle being joyous good news. The big bad boogeyman we had been warned about had been under our noses the whole time. Right there in the very same Bible that promised it would happen. Followed by the Revelation of St. John or: the aftermath of having belief in a man that came in Christ's name rather than listening and understanding the Word of the Son of God himself through the testimony of His flesh and blood witnesses.

In my euphoria and heightened state at this discovery, I now read John's Revelation again and now could see clearly how nearly all the promised horrors could be viewed as having already happened at least once in our history. Save for one or two segments leading up to Christ's 1000 year reign, and then a boulder being hurled into the sea etc. Note: I don't mean to suggest or insist I'm right in having seen things this way nor am I affixed to it. This part of the account is to merely give a sense of my own personal state of mind at the time and nothing more. Savvy?


Needless to say(?) I was quite anxious to share this amazing discovery about Paul and assumed everyone else would be just as overjoyed to hear it. I figured once people got over the initial shock they'd eventually recognize the implications of only good that I now saw in this sort of grand cosmic prank of a message that could only come from a higher power.

So I shared it.

A link to a copy of my first effort can be found at the bottom of my sig. It had been posted in an older forum long before GLP was even a thing. That was almost twenty years ago and I've been trying to both further share and explore the idea, where I've found it seemed appropriate to do so, and do damage control ever since. lel, so it goes...
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Fallacious reasoning entirely. From there you just compound on the same false premise.

Jumping to conclusions based on mob majorities kneejerk reactions not recommended. You tout about acceptance of the Bible in its "totality" yet refuse to look at it that way yourself e.g. the suggestion Pauls's Biblical role is to fulfill prophecy as False Apostle.

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Realy activates the almonds desu

p.s. keep your Hebrew/Judaic Roots brush away from me pls. I use Yahshua because supposedly that is how it was pronounced in His day. Like Joshua with a silent J, it means YVHV Saves or (Name of His Father) Saves
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Fallacious reasoning entirely, no. Not for those who accept the Bible, in totality, and also dismiss your theory of Paul being a "false" apostle. I reject that theory.

My statement is, however, fallacious reasoning entirely to you. And you are certainly entitled to that opinion. You will get no argument from me as to being free to have an opinion.
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The point you're missing is I do accept the Bible in totality and have found that False Apostle Paul fits the narrative like a supernatural glove.

BTW it took me years to notice the handy arrows in the upper right corner. Really nifty for navigating who-said-whatever and such.
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Okay. So, You've told me what you believe pretty clearly, and also called my reasoning fallacious based on knee jerk mob reactions. I think I'm pretty clear about who said whatever now.

Thanks for the clarification.



I've no unkind words for you, nor accusations.
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You are most welcome. Know that I really appreciate the patience you have shown in listening and the respectful way you have gone about inquiring of others as well.

I know writing so as to be clearly understood is not my strong suit.
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Difference is they were allchosen by Christ. Unlike Saul
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"But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”

Sounds chosen to me...
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Can you prove Christ said that? Saul invented Christianity. You all follow his false gospel
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Chosen as a vessel to proclaim His name alone has no bearing on whether Paul is false or not.

Questioning the narrative by demanding proof for who said what in a story we've had in writing for 1600 years is counterproductive at best. The Book contains evidence enough to convict Paul as false without resorting to such feeble tactics. In your hatred for Paul you become like Paul.
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Question to you Rayman, can you honestly explain what Peter said about Paul, using the scriptures?

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.


The Bible is without error, unless you are using a bad translation. It agrees with itself, and Peter agreed with Paul.

We are redeemed through faith in the blood atonement of Christ, whether you want to believe it from Peter or Paul is up to you. God bless

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Question to you Rayman, can you honestly explain what Peter said about Paul, using the scriptures?

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
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Can you honestly consider your view as objective, yet somehow still understand these words as only a pure ringing endorsement of everything in Paul's letters?

Let's examine a more neutral perspective in a breakdown of 2 Peter 3:15-18;

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul"

Peter claims, later on, to have read all of Paul's letters yet there's no mention or recognition of Paul as beyond being another follower of Christ. Neither as a fellow leader nor Paul's Apostleship. Nothing. Interesting...

"Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you"

How high a status of wisdom should we infer by this? Peter could very well have meant this in a somewhat condescending tone. Especially considering the next line;

"; in which are some things hard to be understood,"

the wording and punctuation here strongly suggest this statement stands on its own. Not conditional on being unlearned or unstable as is so often easily assumed when conflated with;

",which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction"

One might view this as a warning about the extra potential of hard to understand words (some contents of Paul's letters) being a pitfall to beware of. As well as written words in general and the nature of those that would twist their meanings.

You can't be taken seriously by trying to claim Peter looked at Paul's letters as if they're Holy Scripture. It just doesn't wash. No self-respecting Judaen/Hebrew/w/e such as Peter was at the time, in the midst of breaking free from Talmudic influence, could ever consider such outright blasphemy. The very thing that Christ had come to directly oppose and be crucified for. Man's written teachings are not God's.

The Bible is without error
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And? It certainly shows even His best picks making enough errors so when we come to part 2 we should know better than to trust any one of them that comes along with everything said, explicitly, without two or three solid confirmations elsewhere on any point of contention.

Before I go any further. Paul as False Apostle is not a message of 'you are in condemnation for trusting Paul'. It's a matter of getting Paul all the way behind us to move forward together.

God's people, us, have managed spiritual growth over the last few hundred years as we've come to shift more focus off Paul and put it on Jesus' actual teachings. In large part this has been due to ever more folk having access to the Bible and reading it for themselves. With increasing freedom from fear of deadly persecution in finding our understandings at odds with age-old standardized "religious" conditioning.

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Rayman, the Book of Acts refers to Paul several times, with Paul preaching Jesus Christ throughout the book from chapters 9 to 28. Acts 14:14 calls Paul an apostle. Acts was written by Luke.

Therefore you have at least two witnesses in Peter and Luke, when all you needed was the word.
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Rayman, the Book of Acts refers to Paul several times, with Paul preaching Jesus Christ throughout the book from chapters 9 to 28. Acts 14:14 calls Paul an apostle. Acts was written by Luke.

Therefore you have at least two witnesses in Peter and Luke, when all you needed was the word.
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Sure, Paul is an Apostle. My claim is the Bible itself verifies him as a False Apostle. Once understood in that light, Acts serves more as an expose' of Paul's blundering antics and hypocrisy rather than as an introduction to a post-ascension convert, described first as having a murderous heart, turning his life around then getting into and causing further trouble for himself in Christ's name.

You don't need more of my words to discover this truth about Paul. Ask in prayer for the Helper Jesus said he would send, the Holy Spirit, as an aid in further Bible study. You will surely see. Eventually at least.

Finally, I have no issue with any parts of Paul's 'gospel' per se. Problems arise usually from an unnatural or improper focus on facets of salvation, rather than seeing them as required parts of the whole in Salvation that Jesus teachings pave the way for us to work towards following.
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Rayman, the Book of Acts refers to Paul several times, with Paul preaching Jesus Christ throughout the book from chapters 9 to 28. Acts 14:14 calls Paul an apostle. Acts was written by Luke.

Therefore you have at least two witnesses in Peter and Luke, when all you needed was the word.
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Sure, Paul is an Apostle. My claim is the Bible itself verifies him as a False Apostle. Once understood in that light, Acts serves more as an expose' of Paul's blundering antics and hypocrisy rather than as an introduction to a post-ascension convert, described first as having a murderous heart, turning his life around then getting into and causing further trouble for himself in Christ's name.

You don't need more of my words to discover this truth about Paul. Ask in prayer for the Helper Jesus said he would send, the Holy Spirit, as an aid in further Bible study. You will surely see. Eventually at least.

Finally, I have no issue with any parts of Paul's 'gospel' per se. Problems arise usually from an unnatural or improper focus on facets of salvation, rather than seeing them as required parts of the whole in Salvation that Jesus teachings pave the way for us to work towards following.
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Jesus did not preach his death, burial, resurrection, and shedding of blood for forgiveness of sins to Israel.

If we rightly divide, we Gentiles will see that Paul's gospel applies to us, and Jesus' ministry was for Israel (per Matthew 15:24).

Of course we can apply the four gospels to us today, but the doctrine of biblical blood atonement was not preached to Israel in those gospels.
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Paul, Paul, Paul
It is a delight beyond description to be able to understand and appreciate what God is doing in His plan and purpose. By “rightly dividing the word of truth” in accordance with the great dispensational change that God has made we can open the Bible and have the testimony of God’s word make sense. How marvelous it is to recognize the difference between God’s program and dealings with His nation Israel, and the program that He has in effect with us today as set forth in the epistles of the Apostle Paul. Confusion is completely dispelled when once we recognize the distinctiveness of Paul’s apostleship and message, and hence the distinctiveness of this present dispensation of God’s grace to us Gentiles. There is no need to be in a state of consternation or perplexity trying to apply promises, instructions, and doctrines to ourselves today, which God gave to Israel. There is no need for us to be forced to ‘spiritualize’ prophecies and teachings that God gave to Israel, because we mistakenly think that they somehow belong to us today. “Rightly dividing the word of truth” in accordance with the great dispensational change God has made frees us from perplexity, consternation, and contradiction.

Unfortunately, however, as we talk to people about these things, (especially about Paul’s special apostleship), often times our understanding and appreciation is not readily received. It is objected to and sometimes it is even vigorously opposed. Yet if a person is honest with himself, and also with God’s word, the reality of the distinctiveness of Paul’s apostleship and message is inescapable. And this is because God Himself has made it so. Nevertheless when we first confront people with the issue of Paul having a special and different apostleship, they often object.

Object

The particular objection I am referring to goes something like this: ‘Oh, you are just making way too much out of the Apostle Paul.’ Or, ‘Paul, Paul, Paul; that’s all you ever talk about. You exalt him above the Lord Jesus.’ Or even, ‘You can follow Paul if you want, but I’m following Jesus.’ These responses are often charged with a lot of emotion, but they are prompted by the emphasis that we lay upon the special nature of Paul’s apostleship. We, of course, do not exalt Paul above the Lord, nor follow him as a man. Yet we do magnify his office, as he himself did. And we do this because God Himself has purposely made a big deal out of the apostleship He gave to Paul. Moreover this very issue is something that God has designed to be a manifest token of the reality of the great dispensational change that He made when He raised up Paul to be His apostle of the Gentiles.

The Right to Glory

In Romans 15:8-21 the Apostle Paul underscores the issue of the great dispensational change that God has made in suspending His program with Israel and turning to us Gentiles. In the passage Paul “magnifies his office” as the “minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles” that he is. And in view of this being the case he declares,…

17 I have therefore whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God. (Romans 15:17)

Paul does “glory” a lot “through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God.” Paul talks about himself and his ministry more than any other New Testament writer. Several hundred times in the course of his epistles he draws attention to himself either by name, or by the personal pronoun “I.” And in doing so, over and over again we are confronted with the person of the Apostle Paul. But this is not done out of arrogance or egotism. Instead it is done because just as Paul says, he has “whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God.” Paul, therefore, has a God-ordained reason not only for why he could glory, but also for why he should glory.

A Divinely Designed Marker

It is God Himself who has the Apostle Paul talk about himself as much as he does. Yet clearly not to magnify the man Paul, but to magnify the office of his apostleship and thereby draw attention to the great dispensational change that God has made in turning to the Gentiles. Paul’s apostleship, message, and ministry, is indeed new and different. It marks a great change from what was going on before. It is clearly different from what is recorded in the Gospel accounts when our Lord was here functioning as “a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers.” And what a change it is from the continuation of Israel’s program administered by Peter and the rest of the 12 apostles as set forth in the opening chapters of the book of Acts. God has indeed ushered in a great dispensational change to the praise of the glory of His grace, and He has magnified the office of the Apostle Paul to draw attention to the change.

A perusal of the number of times that Paul specifically talks about himself and his ministry shows that he deliberately does so to draw attention to this very issue of the great dispensational change that God has made through raising him up and making known unto him “the revelation of the mystery.” Consider the following few examples:

15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace of God that is given unto me of God,

16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. (Romans 15:15-16)

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. (Galatians 1:11-12)

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of the grace of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God;

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: (Colossians 1:25-26)



15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. (I Timothy 1:15-16)

The self-consciousness of the Apostle Paul is two-fold. First, he himself clearly understood and appreciated the distinctiveness of his apostleship and message. And secondly Paul also knew that the very means by which God would draw attention to the great dispensational change that He has made, was through magnifying the office of his special apostleship.

Paul, therefore, had reason not only whereby he could glory through Jesus Christ, but again he had reason whereby he should do so. And so he did; and so should we. For it is a Divinely designed means of marking out the dispensation of God’s grace that is now in effect.

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If anyone would like to know more about the study of Biblical right division of the Scripture, I started my journey by reading the classic Things That Differ by Cornelius Stam. I couldn't put it down as the lights suddenly turned on for me. It's been simply amazing to gain a true understanding of the whole Bible, but most of all God's purpose and plan for me. Free online PDF! Highly recommend it for everyone who loves the Holy Bible, but wrestles with confusing and contradicting differences between Paul's doctrines and Jesus' and the Twelve.

PREFACE
Great strides have already been taken in dispensational Bible study by such men of God as Darby, Scofield and Larkin, but it would be a mistake to suppose, as some seem to, that the ground has now been completely covered, for in "rightly dividing the Word of truth" the field is as large as the Book itself. Indeed, for the past years the need for another systematic book on dispensationalism has been increasingly felt as it has become evident that the popular writings now in existence on the subject fall short in at least one significant respect; namely, their failure to present clearly and consistently the distinctive character of Paul's message and ministry as the apostle of the present dispensation. Most of our Bible teachers have seen to a limited degree the distinction between Paul's ministry and that of the twelve, but have taught at the same time that Paul labored under the so-called "great commission" given to the other apostles, that the church of this age began at Pentecost with Peter and the eleven, that "the gospel of the grace of God" was proclaimed before Paul, etc. This failure to grasp fully the distinctive character of Paul's apostleship has contributed much to the confusion that exists among fundamental believers and has left a great deal still to be clarified for those who desire "the full assurance of understanding." The re-discovery of Paul's special place in God's program, and the increased emphasis laid in late years upon what he calls "my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery," have provided God's people with the key to many problems which, because they have remained so long unanswered, have caused the great dispensational Bible conferences of a generation ago to all but disappear. In the study of the dispensations we enjoy true Bible analysis. We take the Book apart,1 so to speak; not to cast any of it aside, but to examine its separate parts and to note the differences. But we also enjoy true Bible synthesis in the study of the dispensations and see the perfect harmony of the whole Word of God. Many Bible schools advertise courses in Bible synthesis which really amount to nothing more than brief summaries of its sixty-six books. Any such course should be characterized as synopsis, not synthesis. Bible synthesis is a systematic study of the progressive unfolding of God's revelation and of the development of His dealings with men, as well as of the unity of His purpose in those dealings. It is a study of the dispensations in their relation to each other. Hence no study which denies or ignores the doctrine of dispensations is true Bible synthesis.

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1 Corinthians 15:1-4
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Re: Christians and everyone else, do you accept Paul's gospel? It is of Christ
We are in the age of grace.
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Interesting how one of the biggest proponents to Christianity became it's most popular author.

Paul is rather bold and some of his words that people consider scripture can be considered questionable. Or men after Paul shaped his words to fit their own.
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Far MORE interesting, is that someone like Paul who was a huge OPPONENT of Christianity, could have such a life-changing event occur, as to be willing to even sacrifice his own LIFE, rather than betray what he KNEW to be true.
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Re: Christians and everyone else, do you accept Paul's gospel? It is of Christ
Choose Jesus over Paul.
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Jesus chose Paul.

Pull thy head out.
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Re: Christians and everyone else, do you accept Paul's gospel? It is of Christ
Yes. The syncronicity of the Bible proves it is the inerrant word of God.
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Paul contradicts Jesus teachings many times iamwith
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Where?

Yeshua's teachings were directed at those under law who payed for sin by the ceremonial sacrifice of lambs and doves by an earthly priest.

Paul's gospel addressed the POST sacrificial world of J.E.W.S and Gentiles alike. There IS no sacrificial system after the ACTUAL Lamb of God was sacrificed and the temple veil was ripped from top to bottom. Yeshua is our only priest now, and only faith in Him can save, in the current age of grace.

That age, too, will end.

Problem is, people who don't understand what was fulfilled when Christ died and rose again, keep trying to compare the apples and oranges of pre-cross and post-cross age.

Paul understood PERFECTLY.

Even Peter (a disciple of Christ) acknowledged Paul's superior authority, after being rebuked by Paul.
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Re: Christians and everyone else, do you accept Paul's gospel? It is of Christ
Yes. The syncronicity of the Bible proves it is the inerrant word of God.
 Quoting: Midnight Oil


Paul contradicts Jesus teachings many times iamwith
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73634975


Where?

Yeshua's teachings were directed at those under law who payed for sin by the ceremonial sacrifice of lambs and doves by an earthly priest.

Paul's gospel addressed the POST sacrificial world of J.E.W.S and Gentiles alike. There IS no sacrificial system after the ACTUAL Lamb of God was sacrificed and the temple veil was ripped from top to bottom. Yeshua is our only priest now, and only faith in Him can save, in the current age of grace.

That age, too, will end.

Problem is, people who don't understand what was fulfilled when Christ died and rose again, keep trying to compare the apples and oranges of pre-cross and post-cross age.

Paul understood PERFECTLY.

Even Peter (a disciple of Christ) acknowledged Paul's superior authority, after being rebuked by Paul.
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