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User ID: 74149096 United States 08/26/2017 07:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if it doesn't interest you... don't click on the post. It DOES interest others... we are in amazing times... I'm sorry for your blindness, but not everyone is... Last Edited by freedomsnotfree1 on 08/26/2017 07:30 AM freedomsnotfree1 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 42109917 United States 08/26/2017 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The idea of a pre-trib rapture comes from "futurism" or i.e. romes attempt to put antichrist (which was unequivocally through the period middle (dark) age in light of her fruits and now that men had access to the scriptures) into the future to prepetuate the notion that antichrist had not yet come. The other prevelent deception was the opposite, or preterist view, or that antichrist was in ancient rome, and had come and gone. The idea of a "7 year tribulation" comes from totally misunderstanding and appropriating the messianic prophecies of Daniel 9. God makes sure that the truth can be simply gleaned by those who desire to know it. All one has to really do is carefully read Mathew 24 to determine that the rapture takes place at the 2nd coming of christ, which is at the end of the world. For a further dissection proving from many scriptures the same, however, check out the post from the following thread: Thread: Rapture! What Rapture? Which One? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42109917 United States 08/26/2017 08:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."Rom.3:31 Jesus said that he did not come to destroy the law & prophets and that heaven and earth would pass before they had (mt 5:17-19). Also every one of the 10-commandments can be found individually in the N.T. The original hebrew faith of the O.T. looked forward to Messiah Jesus, and was justification by faith (just read Hebrews 11). And in Galatians 6:16 and other places we realize that the true church today IS still Israel (spiritual). There also must be a distinguishing between the moral and civil laws in order to properly understand scripture. and hence we may rightly conclude: "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."-Is. 8:20 |
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Wayfaring Stranger
User ID: 74907903 Canada 08/26/2017 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The hour can be pinned down to a few choices. The 7th trump sounds within one hour of the two witnesses being resurrected. The wrath of the vials and the resurrections have to be finished by 6PM of that same day. Since the cross was the completion of the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15 the other bruise might follow the same format. John and Jesus had a combined time of 3 1/2 years. Satan and the Beast have a combined time of 3 1/2 years. The day of the actual return has some prophecies that have to unfold that starts with the sealing of the ones in Re:7 as well as in Re:11. Protection from all trumps is part of the seal of God and the math works out that the first 4 trumps all sound in just 4 days. The coals from heaven in Re:8 is the first physical reality that the return is on a sequential countdown. That would be the sealing and it would be similar to Saul's experience on the road to Damascus. 30 days added to the 1260 days could be the 1290 days mentioned in Da:12 Re:6:1: And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. Re:6:2: And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. Isa:49:2: And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; Re:8:2-6: And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. No way to tell when the sealing starts, . . . . . This is pure speculation but God never does anything without it having a purpose sooner or later. Israel was created being led by Priests and down the road kings entered the picture. If a quick study was done that named all the kings and the time of the reins as well as the highlights and lows might be able to be applied to the kings of the gentile nations that have ruled over Jerusalem starting with Rome in Luke:21:24 and the start of the time of the Gentiles. The two witnesses would be the last Gentiles as Satan and the Beast are angelic beings. It is so speculative I haven't even started the task. |
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User ID: 75047635 United States 09/15/2017 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mark13:35 "Watch Ye therefore... for Ye know not when the Master of the House cometh... at even... or at midnight... or at the cockcrowing... or in the morning." Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the Angels of heaven, but... my Father only. John14:1 Thomas could not comprehend what Jesus meant when he said... "I will come again, and take you to myself. That where I am... YOU may be also, and you know the Way where I am going." Psalm33:3 Sing unto 'Him' a 'New Song'. Play 'SKILLFULLY' with a 'LOUD NOISE'. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75409848 United States 09/15/2017 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ask Thomas, his father. Quoting: Lofty Elim Mark13:35 "Watch Ye therefore... for Ye know not when the Master of the House cometh... at even... or at midnight... or at the cockcrowing... or in the morning." Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the Angels of heaven, but... my Father only. John14:1 Thomas could not comprehend what Jesus meant when he said... "I will come again, and take you to myself. That where I am... YOU may be also, and you know the Way where I am going." Mark 13 and Matthew 24 do not speak of the rapture. Jesus speaks of His coming at the very end. The rapture was revealed to Paul decades after Jesus ascended, it was not revealed in the gospels. |
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(OP) User ID: 75409848 United States 09/29/2017 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | New King James just for you my friend, 1 Thessalonians 5:4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. Any who are still in the valley of decision, I pray your heart be opened to Christ. In Jesus' name. Joel 3:14 live and die for Christ |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75534560 United States 09/29/2017 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The hour can be pinned down to a few choices. The 7th trump sounds within one hour of the two witnesses being resurrected. The wrath of the vials and the resurrections have to be finished by 6PM of that same day. Since the cross was the completion of the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15 the other bruise might follow the same format. John and Jesus had a combined time of 3 1/2 years. Satan and the Beast have a combined time of 3 1/2 years. Quoting: Wayfaring Stranger The day of the actual return has some prophecies that have to unfold that starts with the sealing of the ones in Re:7 as well as in Re:11. Protection from all trumps is part of the seal of God and the math works out that the first 4 trumps all sound in just 4 days. The coals from heaven in Re:8 is the first physical reality that the return is on a sequential countdown. That would be the sealing and it would be similar to Saul's experience on the road to Damascus. 30 days added to the 1260 days could be the 1290 days mentioned in Da:12 Re:6:1: And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. Re:6:2: And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. Isa:49:2: And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; Re:8:2-6: And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. No way to tell when the sealing starts, . . . . . This is pure speculation but God never does anything without it having a purpose sooner or later. Israel was created being led by Priests and down the road kings entered the picture. If a quick study was done that named all the kings and the time of the reins as well as the highlights and lows might be able to be applied to the kings of the gentile nations that have ruled over Jerusalem starting with Rome in Luke:21:24 and the start of the time of the Gentiles. The two witnesses would be the last Gentiles as Satan and the Beast are angelic beings. It is so speculative I haven't even started the task. The fact you read that book and take it all as fact is just pathetic. |