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BREAKING: Mueller Has Early Draft of Trump Letter Giving Reasons for Firing Comey

 
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BREAKING: Mueller Has Early Draft of Trump Letter Giving Reasons for Firing Comey
WASHINGTON — The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has obtained a letter drafted by President Trump and a top political aide that offered an unvarnished view of Mr. Trump’s thinking in the days before the president fired the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey. This is NOT the version of the letter that was actually delivered to Comey's office by Trump's security director, Keith Schiller and later made public.

The circumstances and reasons for the firing are believed to be a significant element of Mr. Mueller’s investigation, which includes whether Mr. Trump obstructed justice by firing Mr. Comey.

The letter, drafted in May, was met with opposition from Donald F. McGahn II, the White House counsel, who believed that its angry, meandering tone was problematic, according to interviews with a dozen administration officials and others briefed on the matter.

Mr. McGahn successfully blocked the president from sending the letter — which Mr. Trump had composed with Stephen Miller, one of the president’s top political advisers — to Mr. Comey. But a copy was given to the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, who then drafted his own letter. Mr. Rosenstein’s letter was ultimately used as the Trump administration’s public rationale for Mr. Comey’s firing, which was that Mr. Comey had mishandled the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server.

Mr. McGahn’s concerns about Mr. Trump’s letter show how much he realized that the president’s rationale for firing Mr. Comey might not hold up to scrutiny, and how he and other administration officials sought to build a more defensible public case for his ouster.

Ty Cobb, a White House lawyer, declined on Friday to discuss the letter or its contents. “To the extent the special prosecutor is interested in these matters, we will be fully transparent with him,” he said.

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So?
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Also see:

Thread: Keith Schiller, The Longtime Trump Bodyguard-Aide Who Told James Comey He Was Fired, Is Quitting
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Who cares. Comey is a POS and should be in prison.
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Thread: Keith Schiller, The Longtime Trump Bodyguard-Aide Who Told James Comey He Was Fired, Is Quitting

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Yes, Trump's security director of 14 years has just resigned over this.

Shit is definitely going to hit the fan soon and butts are puckering at the WH as we speak.
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Who cares. Comey is a POS and should be in prison.
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Keith Schiller too?

That's probably why he so abruptly quit today...he doesn't want to go down with the Trump train.
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comey told Trump and all of congress he was not

being investigated for russian collusion

so there is no possible reason for him to obstruct

hence no obstruction in the first place.


and Trump is the POTUS he has the Authority

to Obstruct the Director of the FBI in any

thing he wants.

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The President cannot obstruct justice, he is justice. That is the essence of the unitary executive. The NYT are morons pandering to their even more moronic base.
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comey told Trump and all of congress he was not

being investigated for russian collusion

so there is no possible reason for him to obstruct

hence no obstruction in the first place.


and Trump is the POTUS he has the Authority

to Obstruct the Director of the FBI in any

thing he wants.
 Quoting: jake


Sorry, young jake, but POTUS, as head of the Executive Branch most certainly does NOT have any authority whatsoever to commit obstruction of justice. That is a felony and most certainly an impeachable offence.

I have a feeling that the original Trump version of Comey's firing letter, before it was re-written by Rosenstein, is not a good thing for Trump now that Mueller has it. That alone could be a bombshell.

Bombshell enough to cause his long time security director who saw both versions and delivered Rosenstein's version to quit.
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This whole thing is a non starter for Mueller as he must know the President did
not need a reason to fire Comey. It is the President's perogative to fire anyone he wants to. Even Comey admitted as much.
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comey told Trump and all of congress he was not

being investigated for russian collusion

so there is no possible reason for him to obstruct

hence no obstruction in the first place.


and Trump is the POTUS he has the Authority

to Obstruct the Director of the FBI in any

thing he wants.
 Quoting: jake


Sorry, young jake, but POTUS, as head of the Executive Branch most certainly does NOT have any authority whatsoever to commit obstruction of justice. That is a felony and most certainly an impeachable offence.

I have a feeling that the original Trump version of Comey's firing letter, before it was re-written by Rosenstein, is not a good thing for Trump now that Mueller has it. That alone could be a bombshell.

Bombshell enough to cause his long time security director who saw both versions and delivered Rosenstein's version to quit.
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How the fuck can you obstruct justice when there is nothing to obstruct. Nothing but bullshit from a bunch of crybabies because their candidate lost.
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Stephen Miller finds he now has a reason to hire private attorneys since he and Trump concocted the draft.
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comey told Trump and all of congress he was not

being investigated for russian collusion

so there is no possible reason for him to obstruct

hence no obstruction in the first place.


and Trump is the POTUS he has the Authority

to Obstruct the Director of the FBI in any

thing he wants.
 Quoting: jake


Sorry, young jake, but POTUS, as head of the Executive Branch most certainly does NOT have any authority whatsoever to commit obstruction of justice. That is a felony and most certainly an impeachable offence.

I have a feeling that the original Trump version of Comey's firing letter, before it was re-written by Rosenstein, is not a good thing for Trump now that Mueller has it. That alone could be a bombshell.

Bombshell enough to cause his long time security director who saw both versions and delivered Rosenstein's version to quit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73863472


How the fuck can you obstruct justice when there is nothing to obstruct. Nothing but bullshit from a bunch of crybabies because their candidate lost.
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Well I guess we don't know, do we?
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Stephen Miller finds he now has a reason to hire private attorneys since he and Trump concocted the draft.
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Now that Keith Schiller has bailed because of this, I am looking for the possibility that Stephen Miller will lawyer up and bail.

If that happens, I think you know the Trump version of Comey's firing letter will be a bombshell and possibly enough for an obstruction indictment.

And that doesn't even count the RICO indictments for money laundering that could be served on the Trump gang.
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Re: BREAKING: Mueller Has Early Draft of Trump Letter Giving Reasons for Firing Comey
comey told Trump and all of congress he was not

being investigated for russian collusion

so there is no possible reason for him to obstruct

hence no obstruction in the first place.


and Trump is the POTUS he has the Authority

to Obstruct the Director of the FBI in any

thing he wants.
 Quoting: jake


Sorry, young jake, but POTUS, as head of the Executive Branch most certainly does NOT have any authority whatsoever to commit obstruction of justice. That is a felony and most certainly an impeachable offence.

I have a feeling that the original Trump version of Comey's firing letter, before it was re-written by Rosenstein, is not a good thing for Trump now that Mueller has it. That alone could be a bombshell.

Bombshell enough to cause his long time security director who saw both versions and delivered Rosenstein's version to quit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73863472


How the fuck can you obstruct justice when there is nothing to obstruct. Nothing but bullshit from a bunch of crybabies because their candidate lost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75464726


Well I guess we don't know, do we?
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It's pretty obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.
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comey told Trump and all of congress he was not

being investigated for russian collusion

so there is no possible reason for him to obstruct

hence no obstruction in the first place.


and Trump is the POTUS he has the Authority

to Obstruct the Director of the FBI in any

thing he wants.
 Quoting: jake


Sorry, young jake, but POTUS, as head of the Executive Branch most certainly does NOT have any authority whatsoever to commit obstruction of justice. That is a felony and most certainly an impeachable offence.

I have a feeling that the original Trump version of Comey's firing letter, before it was re-written by Rosenstein, is not a good thing for Trump now that Mueller has it. That alone could be a bombshell.

Bombshell enough to cause his long time security director who saw both versions and delivered Rosenstein's version to quit.
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Nope you could not be more wrong.

The Potus does in fact have the legal authority

to Obstruct and direct the leader of the FBI

to take any case or drop any case he wants.

It's his legal constitutional duty as a sworn

POTUS! There is no law currently on the books

preventing a POTUS from giving direction to his

director of the FBI, They serve at his discretion!
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Re: BREAKING: Mueller Has Early Draft of Trump Letter Giving Reasons for Firing Comey
comey told Trump and all of congress he was not

being investigated for russian collusion

so there is no possible reason for him to obstruct

hence no obstruction in the first place.


and Trump is the POTUS he has the Authority

to Obstruct the Director of the FBI in any

thing he wants.
 Quoting: jake


Sorry, young jake, but POTUS, as head of the Executive Branch most certainly does NOT have any authority whatsoever to commit obstruction of justice. That is a felony and most certainly an impeachable offence.

I have a feeling that the original Trump version of Comey's firing letter, before it was re-written by Rosenstein, is not a good thing for Trump now that Mueller has it. That alone could be a bombshell.

Bombshell enough to cause his long time security director who saw both versions and delivered Rosenstein's version to quit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73863472


How the fuck can you obstruct justice when there is nothing to obstruct. Nothing but bullshit from a bunch of crybabies because their candidate lost.
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Obstruction of Justice is a stand-alone charge.
You can be charged if the crime you were attempting to hide failed, or if there was no crime to hide at all.
You could THINK you committed a crime but didn't, then go on to commit the crime of obstruction of justice and still be charged with obstruction of justice.
Trump has already ADMITTED on film that he fired Comey to end the investigation.
Trump and others have shown ample consciousness of guilt on this matter.
The draft in question adds to it.
RE-READ Rod Rosenstein's memo where he NEVER says that Comey should be fired.
Rosenstein will testify that he was and IS furious that Trump and his people stated that Rosenstein said Comey should be fired when he never ever said any such thing.
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Re: BREAKING: Mueller Has Early Draft of Trump Letter Giving Reasons for Firing Comey
comey told Trump and all of congress he was not

being investigated for russian collusion

so there is no possible reason for him to obstruct

hence no obstruction in the first place.


and Trump is the POTUS he has the Authority

to Obstruct the Director of the FBI in any

thing he wants.
 Quoting: jake


Trump has the authority to fire the Director of the FBI.
But if he does it to end an investigation into himself or his friends or family, he has committed the crime of obstruction of justice.

Trump has the authority to order a missile strike.
But if he orders a missile strike on a man who is sleeping with his wife, he has committed murder.
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comey told Trump and all of congress he was not

being investigated for russian collusion

so there is no possible reason for him to obstruct

hence no obstruction in the first place.


and Trump is the POTUS he has the Authority

to Obstruct the Director of the FBI in any

thing he wants.
 Quoting: jake


Sorry, young jake, but POTUS, as head of the Executive Branch most certainly does NOT have any authority whatsoever to commit obstruction of justice. That is a felony and most certainly an impeachable offence.

I have a feeling that the original Trump version of Comey's firing letter, before it was re-written by Rosenstein, is not a good thing for Trump now that Mueller has it. That alone could be a bombshell.

Bombshell enough to cause his long time security director who saw both versions and delivered Rosenstein's version to quit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73863472


How the fuck can you obstruct justice when there is nothing to obstruct. Nothing but bullshit from a bunch of crybabies because their candidate lost.
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Obstruction of Justice is a stand-alone charge.
You can be charged if the crime you were attempting to hide failed, or if there was no crime to hide at all.
You could THINK you committed a crime but didn't, then go on to commit the crime of obstruction of justice and still be charged with obstruction of justice.
Trump has already ADMITTED on film that he fired Comey to end the investigation.
Trump and others have shown ample consciousness of guilt on this matter.
The draft in question adds to it.
RE-READ Rod Rosenstein's memo where he NEVER says that Comey should be fired.
Rosenstein will testify that he was and IS furious that Trump and his people stated that Rosenstein said Comey should be fired when he never ever said any such thing.
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A sitting POTUS cannot be charged with a Crime

sorry!
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comey told Trump and all of congress he was not

being investigated for russian collusion

so there is no possible reason for him to obstruct

hence no obstruction in the first place.


and Trump is the POTUS he has the Authority

to Obstruct the Director of the FBI in any

thing he wants.
 Quoting: jake


Trump has the authority to fire the Director of the FBI.
But if he does it to end an investigation into himself or his friends or family, he has committed the crime of obstruction of justice.

Trump has the authority to order a missile strike.
But if he orders a missile strike on a man who is sleeping with his wife, he has committed murder.
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No he hasn't not true, there is no

such law on the books..
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and again a sitting Potus cannot be charged with a crime
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And If they think they will impeach him

with a republican congress they are dilusional
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comey told Trump and all of congress he was not

being investigated for russian collusion

so there is no possible reason for him to obstruct

hence no obstruction in the first place.


and Trump is the POTUS he has the Authority

to Obstruct the Director of the FBI in any

thing he wants.
 Quoting: jake


Sorry, young jake, but POTUS, as head of the Executive Branch most certainly does NOT have any authority whatsoever to commit obstruction of justice. That is a felony and most certainly an impeachable offence.

I have a feeling that the original Trump version of Comey's firing letter, before it was re-written by Rosenstein, is not a good thing for Trump now that Mueller has it. That alone could be a bombshell.

Bombshell enough to cause his long time security director who saw both versions and delivered Rosenstein's version to quit.
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How the fuck can you obstruct justice when there is nothing to obstruct. Nothing but bullshit from a bunch of crybabies because their candidate lost.
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You can't know what the FBI would know. I'm not taking any stance on it until more comes to light, but I certainly wouldn't be exonerating Trump just yet. He's got a past too.
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This whole thing is a non starter for Mueller as he must know the President did
not need a reason to fire Comey. It is the President's perogative to fire anyone he wants to. Even Comey admitted as much.
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True and this stuff is being brought up due to the now very fed up people in government seats, fed up with what and who Mueller is gathering into his very discreditable gang of oppositionist and politically compromised/tainted/incriminated saboteurs.
Mueller himself and his warring gang should be called to stop and investigation of them for what they have set up and are doing.
They need charges brought against them for what they are doing.
So they are either not doing, or they are and if they are, probably most likely they are, they should be prosecuted for it.
Until it is determined if they are or are not, they should be disbanded and that pending an investigation into their actions they have carried out.

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Lol, isn't it funny how the NY Times or Washington Compost always have some big new story to break as soon as something starts going Trump's way.

Comey had draft statements exonerating Clinton before he even did the interviews and BAM all of a sudden now there's a draft letter that Trump wrote.

The MSM IS the swamp.
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Lol, isn't it funny how the NY Times or Washington Compost always have some big new story to break as soon as something starts going Trump's way.

Comey had draft statements exonerating Clinton before he even did the interviews and BAM all of a sudden now there's a draft letter that Trump wrote.

The MSM IS the swamp.
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yes they certainly are

And their Judgement is coming soon

North Korea and Irma

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Sorry, young jake, but POTUS, as head of the Executive Branch most certainly does NOT have any authority whatsoever to commit obstruction of justice. That is a felony and most certainly an impeachable offence.

I have a feeling that the original Trump version of Comey's firing letter, before it was re-written by Rosenstein, is not a good thing for Trump now that Mueller has it. That alone could be a bombshell.

Bombshell enough to cause his long time security director who saw both versions and delivered Rosenstein's version to quit.
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How the fuck can you obstruct justice when there is nothing to obstruct. Nothing but bullshit from a bunch of crybabies because their candidate lost.
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Obstruction of Justice is a stand-alone charge.
You can be charged if the crime you were attempting to hide failed, or if there was no crime to hide at all.
You could THINK you committed a crime but didn't, then go on to commit the crime of obstruction of justice and still be charged with obstruction of justice.
Trump has already ADMITTED on film that he fired Comey to end the investigation.
Trump and others have shown ample consciousness of guilt on this matter.
The draft in question adds to it.
RE-READ Rod Rosenstein's memo where he NEVER says that Comey should be fired.
Rosenstein will testify that he was and IS furious that Trump and his people stated that Rosenstein said Comey should be fired when he never ever said any such thing.
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A sitting POTUS cannot be charged with a Crime

sorry!
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Its only a theory.
Never settled in law.
Nixon's legal advisers came to the conclusion that Nixon could be charged with several crimes.

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Shit we all got lists as to why comey should've gotten fired.
This is a nothingburger...move along nothing to see here.
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And we only know what is being leaked about the Mueller investigation from Trump's side.
Mueller and his people haven't leaked shit.
Mueller will drop indictments and plea bargain agreements in about 8 months.

And as a backup against Trump pardoning everyone he knows, Mueller and New York Atty General Schneiderman are cooperating and sharing evidence so that New York state will be loaded and ready to prosecute Trump campaign and administration figures who get Trump pardons.
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RE-READ Rod Rosenstein's memo where he NEVER says that Comey should be fired.
Rosenstein will testify that he was and IS furious that Trump and his people stated that Rosenstein said Comey should be fired when he never ever said any such thing.





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