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How To Get To Heaven When You Die

 
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Please take the time to read this first post if your haven't yet.
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I do know your belief system because you have revealed it. You parrot the same unscriptural nonsense about free willism and hell that most in Christendom does and that's because you trust your Christian teachings/doctrines over scripture.

You won't even acknowledge that Jesus did NOT speak more about hell than heaven even when I pointed out the actual numbers FROM THE BIBLE ITSELF! Instead you said you reject it. UNBELIEVABLE!

There is no such thing as a Christian hell where God is going to send 100+ billion people (most of humanity) to suffer and scream in agony in literal fire for trillions and trillions and trillions of centuries and beyond for all eternity. That is NOT in the scriptures.

The word 'hell' should not even be in our English translations of the bible or any translation for that matter. Neither will you find the words forever, or everlasting or eternity anywhere in the original languages of the scriptures and that is a fact.

Sheol is not hell, hades is not hell, and Gehenna is not hell. Olam and aion/aionian does not and never meant forever or everlasting or eternity.

The only thing that's scriptural in your first post are the bible verses you quoted. Your comments are not.

There is no hell (there will be a lake of fire but its purpose and duration is not what Christendom teaches), you can NOT get yourself saved by your fictitious 'free will' by uttering some sentences, and when you die you have no conscious knowledge of anything until the resurrection of the DEAD occurs when Christ returns.

All of this can be shown from the scriptures and the scriptures alone but you are firmly rooted in your cult of Christendom so for you, their teachings and doctrines take precedence over the scriptures.

Until you AT LEAST admit that you were wrong about Jesus speaking more about hell than heaven then to continue on with any other matter will be an exercise in futility.

Oh and for the record, you never answered my original question but don't even bother at this point.
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There is a lake of fire and there is also Hell (Hades). Both are referenced in Scripture. The Rich man and Lazarus is one example of a person in hell (Hades). There are numerous others. It's not about a prayer per sentence, but it is about where you place your faith. Don't have much time right now for this, but I will respond later. Some people work around here. You don't seem to be one of them.
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There is a lake of fire and there is also Hell (Hades). Both are referenced in Scripture. The Rich man and Lazarus is one example of a person in hell (Hades). There are numerous others. It's not about a prayer per sentence, but it is about where you place your faith. Don't have much time right now for this, but I will respond later. Some people work around here. You don't seem to be one of them.
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Don't bother. Until you acknowledge that the bible does not support your statement that Jesus spoke more about hell than heaven there is no point in going any further. As for the insinuation that I don't work, I was self employed and had my own business for decades and have since retired for nearly two decades now and believe me, I worked plenty. I'm probably old enough to be your grandfather.

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is just that, a parable and not to be taken literally. You brought this up before which led me to post my first question. I knew what the answer was and was not looking for your knowledge on the subject but merely wanted to get you thinking that something is not right with Christendom's doctrines. Now pay attention Paddington, I did NOT say there was something wrong with the scriptures.

For decades I too believed all these doctrines and even taught them in many bible studies. Many things really bothered me about them. Their doctrines clashed and contradicted the scriptures. This led me to really start digging into the scriptures even more to try and resolve this dilemma. Note, I did NOT say the scriptures contradicted the scriptures as there can be NO contradictions with them.

When you come across what seems to be one or more scriptures contradicting other scriptures then that means you have not come to truth on that matter and further study and understanding is in order because as I stated, there can be no contradictions in the scriptures. I always believed (and still do) that the scriptures were inspired by God IN THEIR ORIGINAL LANGUAGES. I realized that translations were the work of men and thus NOT inerrant. Some of these errors are grievous and I believe the root cause of the horrendous unscriptural doctrines of Christendom along with outright chicanery from the church fathers.

To make a long story short, I discovered that there were only a handful of key words that when properly translated opened up a whole new bible. I covered these words in my previous post to you.

If you wish to go further I suggest you download e-sword (it's free) and do a word search on heaven and hell. When you do that, you will find that I was not making those numbers up. You can also install a few other free translation modules like the CLV, Rotherham and Diaglott-NT. There you will find that some of them actually translated those words correctly.

If you choose to completely disregard this post and simply state I'm in a cult and don't follow the scriptures, we're done. It simply is not your time for God to reveal His true salvation plan through His only begotten Son, Jesus, for ALL of mankind.
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There is a lake of fire and there is also Hell (Hades). Both are referenced in Scripture. The Rich man and Lazarus is one example of a person in hell (Hades). There are numerous others. It's not about a prayer per sentence, but it is about where you place your faith. Don't have much time right now for this, but I will respond later. Some people work around here. You don't seem to be one of them.
 Quoting: Paddington


Don't bother. Until you acknowledge that the bible does not support your statement that Jesus spoke more about hell than heaven there is no point in going any further. As for the insinuation that I don't work, I was self employed and had my own business for decades and have since retired for nearly two decades now and believe me, I worked plenty. I'm probably old enough to be your grandfather.

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is just that, a parable and not to be taken literally. You brought this up before which led me to post my first question. I knew what the answer was and was not looking for your knowledge on the subject but merely wanted to get you thinking that something is not right with Christendom's doctrines. Now pay attention Paddington, I did NOT say there was something wrong with the scriptures.

For decades I too believed all these doctrines and even taught them in many bible studies. Many things really bothered me about them. Their doctrines clashed and contradicted the scriptures. This led me to really start digging into the scriptures even more to try and resolve this dilemma. Note, I did NOT say the scriptures contradicted the scriptures as there can be NO contradictions with them.

When you come across what seems to be one or more scriptures contradicting other scriptures then that means you have not come to truth on that matter and further study and understanding is in order because as I stated, there can be no contradictions in the scriptures. I always believed (and still do) that the scriptures were inspired by God IN THEIR ORIGINAL LANGUAGES. I realized that translations were the work of men and thus NOT inerrant. Some of these errors are grievous and I believe the root cause of the horrendous unscriptural doctrines of Christendom along with outright chicanery from the church fathers.

To make a long story short, I discovered that there were only a handful of key words that when properly translated opened up a whole new bible. I covered these words in my previous post to you.

If you wish to go further I suggest you download e-sword (it's free) and do a word search on heaven and hell. When you do that, you will find that I was not making those numbers up. You can also install a few other free translation modules like the CLV, Rotherham and Diaglott-NT. There you will find that some of them actually translated those words correctly.

If you choose to completely disregard this post and simply state I'm in a cult and don't follow the scriptures, we're done. It simply is not your time for God to reveal His true salvation plan through His only begotten Son, Jesus, for ALL of mankind.
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The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is a true story. Those who are in cults like to dismiss stories like this as allegory because they contradict their false belief system. Parables don't use a proper name. Abraham is a real historical figure and Lazarus was also a real person's name. This event really happened and it also demonstrates that soul sleep is a lie, it also demonstrates that people who die without the Lord go to Hades and people who die in the Lord at that time went to Paradise. You can't just discard it because it contradicts your false beliefs.

If you really want to understand the Bible you should listen to a program called Through the Bible with Les Feldick or Through the Bible with Dr James Vernon McGee. I have gone through the Bible with both men they are both dispensationalists and properly divide the scripture. Unfortunately, I would usually answer your question with data that I have on my computer however, my computer broke down the day before you started this conversation. So until I get another computer it's very difficult for me to answer your questions in the detail that I would like to. I would like to show you through scripture why there is a heaven and there is a hell. If you are not interested and seeing the scriptural argument that I have there really isn't any further reason for us to discuss anything. You might think that you know my arguments but I highly doubt you know my exact arguments.

You said that you believe that the scriptures are God inspired and so that being the case you need to be willing to listen to the scripture that I want to present to you. You came up pretty strong in the beginning and so I really didn't take you seriously. But I honestly would be willing to discuss this with you honestly and scripturally. I just need a little bit of time to get my computer back up because everything I'm doing is on the phone right now and I don't have access to my files until I get my computer back up. Can you give me like a week or so? Thanks I don't want you to leave if you are willing to discuss this in an honest and respectful way.

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The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is a true story. Those who are in cults like to dismiss stories like this as allegory because they contradict their false belief system. Parables don't use a proper name. Abraham is a real historical figure and Lazarus was also a real person's name. This event really happened and it also demonstrates that soul sleep is a lie, it also demonstrates that people who die without the Lord go to Hades and people who die in the Lord at that time went to Paradise. You can't just discard it because it contradicts your false beliefs.

If you really want to understand the Bible you should listen to a program called Through the Bible with Les Feldick or Through the Bible with Dr James Vernon McGee. I have gone through the Bible with both men they are both dispensationalists and properly divide the scripture. Unfortunately, I would usually answer your question with data that I have on my computer however, my computer broke down the day before you started this conversation. So until I get another computer it's very difficult for me to answer your questions in the detail that I would like to. I would like to show you through scripture why there is a heaven and there is a hell. If you are not interested and seeing the scriptural argument that I have there really isn't any further reason for us to discuss anything. You might think that you know my arguments but I highly doubt you know my exact arguments.

You said that you believe that the scriptures are God inspired and so that being the case you need to be willing to listen to the scripture that I want to present to you. You came up pretty strong in the beginning and so I really didn't take you seriously. But I honestly would be willing to discuss this with you honestly and scripturally. I just need a little bit of time to get my computer back up because everything I'm doing is on the phone right now and I don't have access to my files until I get my computer back up. Can you give me like a week or so? Thanks I don't want you to leave if you are willing to discuss this in an honest and respectful way.
 Quoting: Paddington


I'm sorry but it most certainly is a parable and can be shown to be so from the scriptures and the scriptures alone. Christendom likes to insist it's a literal historical event because they think it justifies their unscriptural heretical doctrine of hell. There is no need to go to some man or group of men to come to the truth. We need only go straight to the source of truth, the inspired word of God, the scriptures.

I was where you are now about 20 years ago. For me to go back into Christendom's unscriptural doctrines (which I once believed and taught) would be going backwards and away from the truth. Not to mention, we are only dealing with a couple issues at the moment. I've got a list an arms length long of their unscriptural beliefs/doctrines.

Remember, there can be NO contradictions in the scriptures. If we were to take that parable literally and historically we would have several hundred major problems with the rest of God's Word. We'd have to cut most verses dealing with spirit, soul, body, death, resurrection, immortality, grave, hades, sheol, sin, punishment, chastisement, firstfruits, rewards, justification, reconciliation, prophecy, grace, salvation and the sovereignty of God just to name a few.

When you get your computer, download e-sword and install the modules I mentioned in my previous post and we can discuss this further if you wish. In the mean time you can ponder on my original question I asked back on 11/05. Keep in mind I already know the answer. It is for your own edification.
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Correction, the date of my post with the question was 11/07, not 11/5.
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Yes there are no contradictions in Scripture. That is a real event that happened and there is no reason to believe otherwise. But I am. Willing to hear your reason why you disagree. I know the Scriptures.


Here is a link to a Bible Teacher to show you how it all fits together perfectly if you are willing to listen. He is the greatest Bible Teacher I have ever heard:

[link to www.lesfeldick.org (secure)]

Alternatively Here is another one to walk you through and give a right perspective of Scripture:

[link to www.ttb.org (secure)]


If you know anything about Dispensationalism, it is the best system that fits Scripture with Scripture.
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Happy Sunday Everyone! Find a good Bible Believing Church and attend today. This Thursday is Thanksgiving!
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God is only the Father of Believers. Non believers are of children of Satan according to the Scriptures. We become Children of God by Faith in Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection for our sins.

‭‭John‬ ‭1:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬
[12] "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
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Where did you go?
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Happy Thanksgiving Everyone 🦃🦃🦃
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Correction, the date of my post with the question was 11/07, not 11/5.
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Ok
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It's time to give you life to Jesus Christ. Read this first post and vote in the poll
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‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21‭-‬23‬ ‭KJV‬‬
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
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Please take the time to read this first post if your haven't yet.
 Quoting: Paddington


I do know your belief system because you have revealed it. You parrot the same unscriptural nonsense about free willism and hell that most in Christendom does and that's because you trust your Christian teachings/doctrines over scripture.

You won't even acknowledge that Jesus did NOT speak more about hell than heaven even when I pointed out the actual numbers FROM THE BIBLE ITSELF! Instead you said you reject it. UNBELIEVABLE!

There is no such thing as a Christian hell where God is going to send 100+ billion people (most of humanity) to suffer and scream in agony in literal fire for trillions and trillions and trillions of centuries and beyond for all eternity. That is NOT in the scriptures.

The word 'hell' should not even be in our English translations of the bible or any translation for that matter. Neither will you find the words forever, or everlasting or eternity anywhere in the original languages of the scriptures and that is a fact.

Sheol is not hell, hades is not hell, and Gehenna is not hell. Olam and aion/aionian does not and never meant forever or everlasting or eternity.

The only thing that's scriptural in your first post are the bible verses you quoted. Your comments are not.

There is no hell (there will be a lake of fire but its purpose and duration is not what Christendom teaches), you can NOT get yourself saved by your fictitious 'free will' by uttering some sentences, and when you die you have no conscious knowledge of anything until the resurrection of the DEAD occurs when Christ returns.

All of this can be shown from the scriptures and the scriptures alone but you are firmly rooted in your cult of Christendom so for you, their teachings and doctrines take precedence over the scriptures.

Until you AT LEAST admit that you were wrong about Jesus speaking more about hell than heaven then to continue on with any other matter will be an exercise in futility.

Oh and for the record, you never answered my original question but don't even bother at this point.
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What is this verse referring to?

‭‭Mark‬ ‭9:43‭-‬48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: [44] where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. [45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: [46] where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. [47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: [48] where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

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I would be interested in your response
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‭‭Good Works do not save. The Holy Spirit saves us by the washing of regeneration.


Titus‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬
[5] not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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God is only the Father of Believers. Non believers are of children of Satan according to the Scriptures. We become Children of God by Faith in Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection for our sins.

[12] "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
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Correction, the date of my post with the question was 11/07, not 11/5.
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Ok thanks
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Please take the time to read this first post
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Black Jack, what happened at the other site? Why did I get banned and HOW did thedickus come back there?
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Blackjack, are you there?
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I guess you can't copy and paste here?
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I am here, sorry you got banned at bb dot com





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