Physicists Prove That Reality Is Not - Repeat, Not - a Computer Simulation

Finally! I have been having this arguement with people for awhile. There might be a creator, not the god of the bible, but we are not a computer simulation.

Read the article. Their argument is "it would take a lot of RAM to simulate the universe, therefore it is impossible."

This unnecessarily assumes the "computer" that runs the simulation is bound by the same physical laws that we are subject to inside of the simulation.

In the domain where that "computer" exists, perhaps time and space as we can conceive of them do not exist, and we do not as of yet have the conceptual tools for discussing "how that domain works" so to speak.

Where in the article did they prove it?

If you speak math, you can peruse the full text of the open-access journal article here [link to advances.sciencemag.org]

“Storage of such a matrix for 20 spins would require a terabyte of RAM,” he said. “If one tries to extrapolate this to few hundreds of spins, then building a computer with such a memory would require more atoms than there are in the universe.”

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Then how come people act IDENTICAL in dreams with their own thought processes and unpredictable behaviours, etc? What's going on with that?

Love this stuff. That said, you sure about Neil? I think he's a 1000% phony.

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What do you mean?

Your a trusting man. Talking in definite, impossibility etc when most of our knowledge including our high level math, is ambiguous.

You are a Simulation & Physics Can Prove It: George Smoot at TEDxSalford

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There is no difference between a physical and simulated reality. If it is physical, then you can simulate it. If you cannot simulate it, then it is not physical.

In any cases, the soul/experiencing observer is outside, trying to build a mathematical/physical image based on his experiences.


As for the article. It is quite stupid really and way too long for a single idiotic point they try to make.
Just because our simulated or not simulated universe has a given amount of atoms, does not really tell us anything about how many atoms the universe our simulation is running it would have.


The computing speed is also completely irrelevant. Those inside the simulation would experience "their" time exactly the same, no matter how fast the computer the simulation is running on would compute the steps.
Only those running the simulation would notice a difference in how fast the simulation is running.
They could just leave the simulating computer on their home planet, accelerate to near light speeds (given they are government by similar physical laws) and then return several trillion years in the future while they only aged a few years. (twin paradox)
Alternatively, they could orbit a black hole just shortly before falling in, then escape given they have superior technology to ours. Again, they would age only a few years compared to the computer the simulation is running on, located on their home planet.

human reality of the world population is easily probable.no need to manipulate the reality of the universe,just the folks in it.resistence is futile.

I understand that but I interpreted it as 'with the technology we use, there are not enough resources to produce a full scale simulation.

Then I thought, how much ram does the human brain have?

"any kind of traditional computer simulation model would quickly fail."

This theory only proves that it's impossible to simulate a Universe using traditional computing methods that we understand. It's still very possible that our Universe is being simulated by an extremely advanced computing method that we do not currently understand.

We only know about classical and quantum computing, but there could easily be another type of computing that has enough power to simulate our Universe.

This "theory" proves nothing.

Also, what makes scientists think that the computer has to be build from the same type of atoms that exist in our Universe? Maybe the simulator is built from a completely different type of structure/matter that doesn't exist in our Universe...

it's impossible for scientists to truly prove that the Universe isn't a simulation.

I mean people behave IDENTICAL to real life, inside a dream... that means that u can SIMULATE THIS, REALITY

Sounds good listen to Aristotle.

Ja universe doesn't needs RAM LOL! It is already a fractal down to QUARK level and up to INFINITY level that's enough 'RAM!?'

In any case, the answer is philosophical. It truly doesn't matter except on a philosophical or metaphysical level.

It wouldn't really change anything if it were true or false.

No way I am paying tax in a 'known' simulation.

It changes everything...Legally

No, it doesn't. How the hell does the Universe being a simulation change the rules we must follow? Reality is still just as "real" no matter how it is generated.

Umm they fail to address that check sum computer code is found in string theory.

Those researchers are quacks.

Not to derail the thread, but I feel that if this existence is a product of something else, then why should I be considered property of the state and pay tax on income.
As far as I am concerned, being in a simulation means that every single thing is equal distance to the source.

Fuck hierarchy in that case.

:P_Popcorn:

That's about as dumb as saying "If God exists, I don't have to pay taxes". You'll still go to prison for tax evasion, regardless of whether reality is simulated or not. And prison will still suck just as much...

The Bible is true, Jesus Christ is the Lord

Like flying?

No seriously you're ignoring me, but you have decent threads. Can't you see Tyson is a total lunatic-actor fraud? Quoting him as some type of authority is like quoting Charlie Sheen on Donald Trump.

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Disagreed. This theory keeps if we are in a simulation in a quantum state like Schroedingers cat!

It is silly to think a simulation would need to simulate EVERY ATOM of our planet etc etc.

A computer game typically loads chunks of an area as is needed. If you have a microscope within the game, you would not need to simulate the game world down to molecular scale, only when a player looks down a microscope and then only that slide simulated at that level.

As far as universe, you dont need to have all the universe stored in memory, the universe could be procedurally generated, using formulas, where to recall memory of a region, just use formula, like minecraft simulation, the seed generates the world.

Perhaps some type of quantum formula may run on a quatum computer, or something more advanced we havent imagined yet or something thats runs in a universe very different to our universe with different physical laws. Or can simulate however many qubits as having run, a simulation could just say it ran and give results or twist our perceptions. Maybe quantum formula procedure could generate the answers as needed without needing to retreive memory, might not need memory as they claim due to retriveal of data via generation or via expected results etc.

I am not saying the following would work, but there might be some way to achieve an enormously powerful computer, using imagination i give following example (not saying it would work, but maybe in future there might be a way to make a computer as powerful):
Example:
Aliens find a neutron star, formed into a crystal with each neutron a quatum qubit, and the aliens discover a way of setting qubits and by using holograpic quantum gravitational resonance can add instructions and have instructions run by the interaction of gravity waves with the neutrons to acheive quantum computations. As the waves continue back and forth, progressing the simulation. Simulating 200 qubits within the simulation does not require the whole universe of matter to simulate, since the neutron star can simply directly use 200 out of a stars vastly greater number of qubits (those qubits dont really need to be "simulated" and dont need store those 200 qubits in normal memory, just REALLY USE actual 200 qubits).

Well, it's all in the brain. It doesn't know much different things besides what it's usually doing all day.