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THE ATLANTIC: How Smartphones Are Destroying A Generation

 
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THE ATLANTIC: How Smartphones Are Destroying A Generation
Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation?

More comfortable online than out partying, post-Millennials are safer, physically, than adolescents have ever been. But they’re on the brink of a mental-health crisis.


JEAN M. TWENGE - SEPTEMBER 2017 ISSUE - TECHNOLOGY

One day last summer, around noon, I called Athena, a 13-year-old who lives in Houston, Texas. She answered her phone—she’s had an iPhone since she was 11—sounding as if she’d just woken up. We chatted about her favorite songs and TV shows, and I asked her what she likes to do with her friends. “We go to the mall,” she said. “Do your parents drop you off?,” I asked, recalling my own middle-school days, in the 1980s, when I’d enjoy a few parent-free hours shopping with my friends. “No—I go with my family,” she replied. “We’ll go with my mom and brothers and walk a little behind them. I just have to tell my mom where we’re going. I have to check in every hour or every 30 minutes.”

Those mall trips are infrequent—about once a month. More often, Athena and her friends spend time together on their phones, unchaperoned. Unlike the teens of my generation, who might have spent an evening tying up the family landline with gossip, they talk on Snapchat, the smartphone app that allows users to send pictures and videos that quickly disappear. They make sure to keep up their Snapstreaks, which show how many days in a row they have Snapchatted with each other. Sometimes they save screenshots of particularly ridiculous pictures of friends. “It’s good blackmail,” Athena said. (Because she’s a minor, I’m not using her real name.) She told me she’d spent most of the summer hanging out alone in her room with her phone. That’s just the way her generation is, she said. “We didn’t have a choice to know any life without iPads or iPhones. I think we like our phones more than we like actual people.”

I’ve been researching generational differences for 25 years, starting when I was a 22-year-old doctoral student in psychology. Typically, the characteristics that come to define a generation appear gradually, and along a continuum. Beliefs and behaviors that were already rising simply continue to do so. Millennials, for instance, are a highly individualistic generation, but individualism had been increasing since the Baby Boomers turned on, tuned in, and dropped out. I had grown accustomed to line graphs of trends that looked like modest hills and valleys. Then I began studying Athena’s generation.

Around 2012, I noticed abrupt shifts in teen behaviors and emotional states. The gentle slopes of the line graphs became steep mountains and sheer cliffs, and many of the distinctive characteristics of the Millennial generation began to disappear. In all my analyses of generational data—some reaching back to the 1930s—I had never seen anything like it.

The allure of independence, so powerful to previous generations, holds less sway over today’s teens.
At first I presumed these might be blips, but the trends persisted, across several years and a series of national surveys. The changes weren’t just in degree, but in kind. The biggest difference between the Millennials and their predecessors was in how they viewed the world; teens today differ from the Millennials not just in their views but in how they spend their time. The experiences they have every day are radically different from those of the generation that came of age just a few years before them.

What happened in 2012 to cause such dramatic shifts in behavior? It was after the Great Recession, which officially lasted from 2007 to 2009 and had a starker effect on Millennials trying to find a place in a sputtering economy. But it was exactly the moment when the proportion of Americans who owned a smartphone surpassed 50 percent.

The more I pored over yearly surveys of teen attitudes and behaviors, and the more I talked with young people like Athena, the clearer it became that theirs is a generation shaped by the smartphone and by the concomitant rise of social media. I call them iGen. Born between 1995 and 2012, members of this generation are growing up with smartphones, have an Instagram account before they start high school, and do not remember a time before the internet. The Millennials grew up with the web as well, but it wasn’t ever-present in their lives, at hand at all times, day and night. iGen’s oldest members were early adolescents when the iPhone was introduced, in 2007, and high-school students when the iPad entered the scene, in 2010. A 2017 survey of more than 5,000 American teens found that three out of four owned an iPhone.

The advent of the smartphone and its cousin the tablet was followed quickly by hand-wringing about the deleterious effects of “screen time.” But the impact of these devices has not been fully appreciated, and goes far beyond the usual concerns about curtailed attention spans. The arrival of the smartphone has radically changed every aspect of teenagers’ lives, from the nature of their social interactions to their mental health. These changes have affected young people in every corner of the nation and in every type of household. The trends appear among teens poor and rich; of every ethnic background; in cities, suburbs, and small towns. Where there are cell towers, there are teens living their lives on their smartphone.

To those of us who fondly recall a more analog adolescence, this may seem foreign and troubling. The aim of generational study, however, is not to succumb to nostalgia for the way things used to be; it’s to understand how they are now. Some generational changes are positive, some are negative, and many are both. More comfortable in their bedrooms than in a car or at a party, today’s teens are physically safer than teens have ever been. They’re markedly less likely to get into a car accident and, having less of a taste for alcohol than their predecessors, are less susceptible to drinking’s attendant ills.

Psychologically, however, they are more vulnerable than Millennials were: Rates of teen depression and suicide have skyrocketed since 2011. It’s not an exaggeration to describe iGen as being on the brink of the worst mental-health crisis in decades. Much of this deterioration can be traced to their phones.

Even when a seismic event—a war, a technological leap, a free concert in the mud—plays an outsize role in shaping a group of young people, no single factor ever defines a generation. Parenting styles continue to change, as do school curricula and culture, and these things matter. But the twin rise of the smartphone and social media has caused an earthquake of a magnitude we’ve not seen in a very long time, if ever. There is compelling evidence that the devices we’ve placed in young people’s hands are having profound effects on their lives—and making them seriously unhappy.

In the early 1970s, the photographer Bill Yates shot a series of portraits at the Sweetheart Roller Skating Rink in Tampa, Florida. In one, a shirtless teen stands with a large bottle of peppermint schnapps stuck in the waistband of his jeans. In another, a boy who looks no older than 12 poses with a cigarette in his mouth. The rink was a place where kids could get away from their parents and inhabit a world of their own, a world where they could drink, smoke, and make out in the backs of their cars. In stark black-and-white, the adolescent Boomers gaze at Yates’s camera with the self-confidence born of making your own choices—even if, perhaps especially if, your parents wouldn’t think they were the right ones.

Fifteen years later, during my own teenage years as a member of Generation X, smoking had lost some of its romance, but independence was definitely still in. My friends and I plotted to get our driver’s license as soon as we could, making DMV appointments for the day we turned 16 and using our newfound freedom to escape the confines of our suburban neighborhood. Asked by our parents, “When will you be home?,” we replied, “When do I have to be?”

But the allure of independence, so powerful to previous generations, holds less sway over today’s teens, who are less likely to leave the house without their parents. The shift is stunning: 12th-graders in 2015 were going out less often than eighth-graders did as recently as 2009.

Today’s teens are also less likely to date. The initial stage of courtship, which Gen Xers called “liking” (as in “Ooh, he likes you!”), kids now call “talking”—an ironic choice for a generation that prefers texting to actual conversation. After two teens have “talked” for a while, they might start dating. But only about 56 percent of high-school seniors in 2015 went out on dates; for Boomers and Gen Xers, the number was about 85 percent.

The decline in dating tracks with a decline in sexual activity. The drop is the sharpest for ninth-graders, among whom the number of sexually active teens has been cut by almost 40 percent since 1991. The average teen now has had sex for the first time by the spring of 11th grade, a full year later than the average Gen Xer. Fewer teens having sex has contributed to what many see as one of the most positive youth trends in recent years: The teen birth rate hit an all-time low in 2016, down 67 percent since its modern peak, in 1991.

Even driving, a symbol of adolescent freedom inscribed in American popular culture, from Rebel Without a Cause to Ferris Bueller’s Day Off, has lost its appeal for today’s teens. Nearly all Boomer high-school students had their driver’s license by the spring of their senior year; more than one in four teens today still lack one at the end of high school. For some, Mom and Dad are such good chauffeurs that there’s no urgent need to drive. “My parents drove me everywhere and never complained, so I always had rides,” a 21-year-old student in San Diego told me. “I didn’t get my license until my mom told me I had to because she could not keep driving me to school.” She finally got her license six months after her 18th birthday. In conversation after conversation, teens described getting their license as something to be nagged into by their parents—a notion that would have been unthinkable to previous generations.

Independence isn’t free—you need some money in your pocket to pay for gas, or for that bottle of schnapps. In earlier eras, kids worked in great numbers, eager to finance their freedom or prodded by their parents to learn the value of a dollar. But iGen teens aren’t working (or managing their own money) as much. In the late 1970s, 77 percent of high-school seniors worked for pay during the school year; by the mid-2010s, only 55 percent did. The number of eighth-graders who work for pay has been cut in half. These declines accelerated during the Great Recession, but teen employment has not bounced back, even though job availability has.

Of course, putting off the responsibilities of adulthood is not an iGen innovation. Gen Xers, in the 1990s, were the first to postpone the traditional markers of adulthood. Young Gen Xers were just about as likely to drive, drink alcohol, and date as young Boomers had been, and more likely to have sex and get pregnant as teens. But as they left their teenage years behind, Gen Xers married and started careers later than their Boomer predecessors had.

Gen X managed to stretch adolescence beyond all previous limits: Its members started becoming adults earlier and finished becoming adults later. Beginning with Millennials and continuing with iGen, adolescence is contracting again—but only because its onset is being delayed. Across a range of behaviors—drinking, dating, spending time unsupervised— 18-year-olds now act more like 15-year-olds used to, and 15-year-olds more like 13-year-olds. Childhood now stretches well into high school.

Why are today’s teens waiting longer to take on both the responsibilities and the pleasures of adulthood? Shifts in the economy, and parenting, certainly play a role. In an information economy that rewards higher education more than early work history, parents may be inclined to encourage their kids to stay home and study rather than to get a part-time job. Teens, in turn, seem to be content with this homebody arrangement—not because they’re so studious, but because their social life is lived on their phone. They don’t need to leave home to spend time with their friends.

If today’s teens were a generation of grinds, we’d see that in the data. But eighth-, 10th-, and 12th-graders in the 2010s actually spend less time on homework than Gen X teens did in the early 1990s. (High-school seniors headed for four-year colleges spend about the same amount of time on homework as their predecessors did.) The time that seniors spend on activities such as student clubs and sports and exercise has changed little in recent years. Combined with the decline in working for pay, this means iGen teens have more leisure time than Gen X teens did, not less.

So what are they doing with all that time? They are on their phone, in their room, alone and often distressed.

One of the ironies of iGen life is that despite spending far more time under the same roof as their parents, today’s teens can hardly be said to be closer to their mothers and fathers than their predecessors were. “I’ve seen my friends with their families—they don’t talk to them,” Athena told me. “They just say ‘Okay, okay, whatever’ while they’re on their phones. They don’t pay attention to their family.” Like her peers, Athena is an expert at tuning out her parents so she can focus on her phone. She spent much of her summer keeping up with friends, but nearly all of it was over text or Snapchat. “I’ve been on my phone more than I’ve been with actual people,” she said. “My bed has, like, an imprint of my body.”

In this, too, she is typical. The number of teens who get together with their friends nearly every day dropped by more than 40 percent from 2000 to 2015; the decline has been especially steep recently. It’s not only a matter of fewer kids partying; fewer kids are spending time simply hanging out. That’s something most teens used to do: nerds and jocks, poor kids and rich kids, C students and A students. The roller rink, the basketball court, the town pool, the local necking spot—they’ve all been replaced by virtual spaces accessed through apps and the web.

You might expect that teens spend so much time in these new spaces because it makes them happy, but most data suggest that it does not. The Monitoring the Future survey, funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse and designed to be nationally representative, has asked 12th-graders more than 1,000 questions every year since 1975 and queried eighth- and 10th-graders since 1991. The survey asks teens how happy they are and also how much of their leisure time they spend on various activities, including nonscreen activities such as in-person social interaction and exercise, and, in recent years, screen activities such as using social media, texting, and browsing the web. The results could not be clearer: Teens who spend more time than average on screen activities are more likely to be unhappy, and those who spend more time than average on nonscreen activities are more likely to be happy.

There’s not a single exception. All screen activities are linked to less happiness, and all nonscreen activities are linked to more happiness. Eighth-graders who spend 10 or more hours a week on social media are 56 percent more likely to say they’re unhappy than those who devote less time to social media. Admittedly, 10 hours a week is a lot. But those who spend six to nine hours a week on social media are still 47 percent more likely to say they are unhappy than those who use social media even less. The opposite is true of in-person interactions. Those who spend an above-average amount of time with their friends in person are 20 percent less likely to say they’re unhappy than those who hang out for a below-average amount of time.

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An outstanding post, thanks for sharing it.
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Gratitude for sharing the article, OP.

Highly disturbing.

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So, do you call up 13 year old girls and ask when they will be alone and unaccompanied by an adult often?
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When this EMP hits and knocks out all the electricity, all these people addicted to their phones will turn into zombies.
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Big pedo vibe coming from that first paragraph...
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Blaming phones for the mental woes of a generation is like AIDS-infested gays blaming glory holes for their disease.

With or without phones, each generation will get successively more mentally and spiritually diseased, just as with or without glory holes, gays will get AIDS.

This is the truth that will not be believed, but it is the truth nevertheless.

Get rid of phones, and the next generation will still be more diseased than the last.

Things are getting worse, not better, and that includes people.

Things and people will perpetually get worse.
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Amen to all that.

Excellent post OP.
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cell phones ARE THE mark of the beast

Enjoy
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This is an old article either reposted on here or at atlantic.i remember it from a couple years back.
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When this EMP hits and knocks out all the electricity, all these people addicted to their phones will turn into zombies.
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it will be the best thing that ever happened to them, probably also the ones who will eventually reject technology the most if they can live past the initial shock
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When this EMP hits and knocks out all the electricity, all these people addicted to their phones will turn into zombies.
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zombies
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The "iGen"

Brilliant


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This is really a MUST READ article.

It is long but well worth the time.
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Without their phones they freak out.
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Never has the truth of things be revealed more.
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Here's a very similar study in why real music has died.
Once again....blame the low attention span Millenials and iGen types for that via their smartphones.

Very interesting.
....especially the 3 note "wau-wau-wau" thing.....SOOOOO true.

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An emp might not be such a terrible thing after all.
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When this EMP hits and knocks out all the electricity, all these people addicted to their phones will turn into zombies.
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zombies
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No. You're quite inaccurate, AC. Most people with cellphones are so hopelessly addicted to their cellphones. They are already zombies. Take away their cellphones and they'll become extraordinarily violent, hateful, and blindly rage at anything and everyone around them. The first hour may not yield much results in such a successful EMP attack as those very same electronics addicts start to wake up and realize everything that was their's is no longer their's and is just really expensive paperweights now, then as the panic sets in that their whole lives have just been literally deleted from the Internet as far as they can tell.

As their panic intensifies to the point of becoming irrational people they have to blame someone. Because they're reduced to themselves and their families now they're going to blame someone close to them for the average Joe and Jane. For people like us on this forum, depending on how sane and intelligent you are as well as prepared for this eventuality you may just bug-out and that'll be the end of that non-existent conversation.

But for those of us who are broke and unable to afford such luxuries you may find yourself having to communicate with those unsavory average Joes and Janes simply because they'll continue to put you down and even become violent towards you. You'll then become their new scapegoat because of their irrational need to blame someone. Because they're reduced to themselves and/or their families they can't comprehend much more reality greater than the tips of their noses. You as the local "conspiracy theorist" will be branded as someone to literally murder to restore the electricity. As far as these average Joes and Janes are concerned your death will mysteriously bring back all of their electronics back to life. Why?

Good luck reasoning with these rapidly increasingly more irrational people. Regardless if these average Joes and Janes can murder you or not at some point their irrationality will shatter into literal insanity. Even if these average Joes and Janes could be reasoned with at all while they were still pretty irrational they won't be whatsoever once they've become insane. Even if they get new working electronics after they've gone insane they'll destroy the new electronics and/or worse. Why? There's no possible way to know for sure due to you being sane and them being insane.

So in the end you're vastly better off away from the masses in such a successful EMP attack, or be consumed by the masses within a few days' time or sooner.
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Nevermind the psychological impact, the neurologic damage due to radiation from cell phones is another uncertainty & with 5g coming soon, we'll live long enough to see it. Not to mention the older people, women especially, who are obsessed over their smartphone. As for the teenagers, admitting 'depression' is a sure sign for big pharma's solution with more mind altering drugs to screw their minds over even worse. I think the trend towards what we are seeing goes back a bit further, when a bigger house became more important than having a big yard, a lack of exercise led to lazier bodies and now even lazier minds. Brave New World meets 1984, a dumbed down populace being spied on with the devises that only make them dumber.

Thanks for posting, Doc.
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Here's a very similar study in why real music has died.
Once again....blame the low attention span Millenials and iGen types for that via their smartphones.

Very interesting.
....especially the 3 note "wau-wau-wau" thing.....SOOOOO true.


 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


I saw this video sometime last week, Useless Cookie Eater. Very depressing to watch as I remember back in the 1990's Pop Music was fairly good to listen to such as Aqua's Barbie Girl. You can literally feel underneath the good music there was something dark and insidious there, but it was weak and easily dispersed, for me anyways. Then I've listened to some of Lady Gaga's music on JackFM due to their DJs playing her songs time to time.

There's something dark and insidious that IS one with most of her songs. I personally believe that's why Lady Gaga is such a "goddess" to many, many Pop Music lovers out there. People who are dead on the inside who will attach themselves to any Pop song and artist who can successfully reverberate at their ever decreasing vibrations...
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This is an old article either reposted on here or at atlantic.i remember it from a couple years back.
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You're mistaken, AC.

The Atlantic article (from their September '17 issue)was adapted from the author's new book, "iGen: Why Today’s Super-Connected Kids Are Growing Up Less Rebellious, More Tolerant, Less Happy--and Completely Unprepared for Adulthood--and What That Means for the Rest of Us" which was just published a couple of months ago.
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Here's a very similar study in why real music has died.
Once again....blame the low attention span Millenials and iGen types for that via their smartphones.

Very interesting.
....especially the 3 note "wau-wau-wau" thing.....SOOOOO true.


 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


Who wants to hear a stupid brit hailing overrated beatles as the height of music.

putin
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Here's a very similar study in why real music has died.
Once again....blame the low attention span Millenials and iGen types for that via their smartphones.

Very interesting.
....especially the 3 note "wau-wau-wau" thing.....SOOOOO true.


 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


Who wants to hear a stupid brit hailing overrated beatles as the height of music.

putin
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It's an analytical video, AC. If you watched it you'd know that.
Conspiracy Theorist is nothing more than a derogatory title used to dismiss a critical thinker.

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Here's a very similar study in why real music has died.
Once again....blame the low attention span Millenials and iGen types for that via their smartphones.

Very interesting.
....especially the 3 note "wau-wau-wau" thing.....SOOOOO true.


 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


I saw this video sometime last week, Useless Cookie Eater. Very depressing to watch as I remember back in the 1990's Pop Music was fairly good to listen to such as Aqua's Barbie Girl. You can literally feel underneath the good music there was something dark and insidious there, but it was weak and easily dispersed, for me anyways. Then I've listened to some of Lady Gaga's music on JackFM due to their DJs playing her songs time to time.

There's something dark and insidious that IS one with most of her songs. I personally believe that's why Lady Gaga is such a "goddess" to many, many Pop Music lovers out there. People who are dead on the inside who will attach themselves to any Pop song and artist who can successfully reverberate at their ever decreasing vibrations...
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You're spot-on, darkwolf -- today's pop music is mostly soulless and repulsive. A case in point:

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Here's a very similar study in why real music has died.
Once again....blame the low attention span Millenials and iGen types for that via their smartphones.

Very interesting.
....especially the 3 note "wau-wau-wau" thing.....SOOOOO true.


 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


Who wants to hear a stupid brit hailing overrated beatles as the height of music.

putin
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It's an analytical video, AC. If you watched it you'd know that.
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It's probably music more and more catering to females. Also one of the reasons the internet has turned to shit, sine they had access to smart phones.
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Re: THE ATLANTIC: How Smartphones Are Destroying A Generation
Here's a very similar study in why real music has died.
Once again....blame the low attention span Millenials and iGen types for that via their smartphones.

Very interesting.
....especially the 3 note "wau-wau-wau" thing.....SOOOOO true.


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I saw this video sometime last week, Useless Cookie Eater. Very depressing to watch as I remember back in the 1990's Pop Music was fairly good to listen to such as Aqua's Barbie Girl. You can literally feel underneath the good music there was something dark and insidious there, but it was weak and easily dispersed, for me anyways. Then I've listened to some of Lady Gaga's music on JackFM due to their DJs playing her songs time to time.

There's something dark and insidious that IS one with most of her songs. I personally believe that's why Lady Gaga is such a "goddess" to many, many Pop Music lovers out there. People who are dead on the inside who will attach themselves to any Pop song and artist who can successfully reverberate at their ever decreasing vibrations...
 Quoting: darkwolf007


You're spot-on, darkwolf -- today's pop music is mostly soulless and repulsive. A case in point:


 Quoting: Doc Savage


I would not call Aqua's "Barbie Girl" as a shining pillar of good music from the past either. lol
That was more of an omen of the nasty soul-less crap coming around the bend.

That 3 note thing is in all kinds of music today too.
...and you will hear, which he never actually mentions is the 2 note flip-flop in "C" which they use in so many commercials.
It's two notes on a piano going back and forth...
"do-do"..."do-do"..."do-do"..."do-do"....over and over the entire commercial.
It's so Millennial / iGen.
When you hear it....you will know it. grnrolleyes
it's like they all graduated from the same music school, or class, and have no independent artistic thoughts of their own.
It's the same as the Millennial "wau-wau-wau" garbage notes new pop in just about every song out there.

Mindless herd following sheep.
They are a lost generation.


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Re: THE ATLANTIC: How Smartphones Are Destroying A Generation
Here's a very similar study in why real music has died.
Once again....blame the low attention span Millenials and iGen types for that via their smartphones.

Very interesting.
....especially the 3 note "wau-wau-wau" thing.....SOOOOO true.


 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


I saw this video sometime last week, Useless Cookie Eater. Very depressing to watch as I remember back in the 1990's Pop Music was fairly good to listen to such as Aqua's Barbie Girl. You can literally feel underneath the good music there was something dark and insidious there, but it was weak and easily dispersed, for me anyways. Then I've listened to some of Lady Gaga's music on JackFM due to their DJs playing her songs time to time.

There's something dark and insidious that IS one with most of her songs. I personally believe that's why Lady Gaga is such a "goddess" to many, many Pop Music lovers out there. People who are dead on the inside who will attach themselves to any Pop song and artist who can successfully reverberate at their ever decreasing vibrations...
 Quoting: darkwolf007


You're spot-on, darkwolf -- today's pop music is mostly soulless and repulsive. A case in point:


 Quoting: Doc Savage


Upon seeing the thumbnail for that Pop song, OP, didn't even click to watch it really, I felt this exactly:

ahhh

Seriously though, OP, I don't even really like to listen to that type of crap anymore since it's something that likes to proactively stick with you. It's as though once you start hearing the newer Pop songs the more they go out of their way to make you like then absolutely love those songs then before you know it you're a mindless Pop star idol worshiper. No thanks on that insanity. Though thanks for chiming in, OP.
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Re: THE ATLANTIC: How Smartphones Are Destroying A Generation
Here's a very similar study in why real music has died.
Once again....blame the low attention span Millenials and iGen types for that via their smartphones.

Very interesting.
....especially the 3 note "wau-wau-wau" thing.....SOOOOO true.


 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


I saw this video sometime last week, Useless Cookie Eater. Very depressing to watch as I remember back in the 1990's Pop Music was fairly good to listen to such as Aqua's Barbie Girl. You can literally feel underneath the good music there was something dark and insidious there, but it was weak and easily dispersed, for me anyways. Then I've listened to some of Lady Gaga's music on JackFM due to their DJs playing her songs time to time.

There's something dark and insidious that IS one with most of her songs. I personally believe that's why Lady Gaga is such a "goddess" to many, many Pop Music lovers out there. People who are dead on the inside who will attach themselves to any Pop song and artist who can successfully reverberate at their ever decreasing vibrations...
 Quoting: darkwolf007


You're spot-on, darkwolf -- today's pop music is mostly soulless and repulsive. A case in point:


 Quoting: Doc Savage


Who do you think listens to Justin Bieber?

It's females.

We basically are living in a society where everyting is catering to females.





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