How Finland solved homelessness: Helping homeless people starts with giving them homes

In Finland, long term programmes for reducing homelessness over the past 20 years have proven their value, by focusing on the provision of permanent, affordable housing, and providing specialised support for the most vulnerable people such as the Housing First scheme, which gives homeless people stable accommodation to end homelessness rather than just managing it.

[link to www.theguardian.com]

Qaddafi did the same thing.

I think a proper nation who cares of its citizens provides everyone a home, even basic one, and small amount of money to buy food and other necessities. This is not a big financial burden to typical western country, it is only about good will and not about resources.

Of course.

It makes me wonder why other western countries do not just give homes to homeless people. These people are a minority, it is not a big thing to build some homes to them.

People have been long term programmed to believe in conservative governments and scarcity, and trickle down economics.


Now, a good system, blends mom's equality energy,ie left programs and equalizes outcomes not gives everyone a chance and the young healthy ruthless buck forges ahead WITH dad's freedom, which means people and councils of citizens who can hire and fire politicians AND judges, and police heads, etc, any power figures, remove them swiftly if necessary: are decent and good and the constitutions protect equality but they don't allow police state, disempowerment of the people in any way. Self defense and free speech and freedoms enshrined.

The two need to be united.


Now under scarsity and winner take all systems: job is to disempower the majority and take real assets from people, ie house, vehicles, and businesses. And create monopolies, pyramid schemes, in the hands of the few.

So, if prices raise, house costs raise, utilities raise, food raises, then no one can create enough wealth or savings to repair their vehicles, create businesses or spend on the small local business and support their local economies.

But the wealthy few are doing just fine.


That is what both sides of our governments, the current hijacked left, and the current hijacked right are doing.

No one wins except the few, the ruthless and the workholic bastards who have abandoned their children and traumatized their families.

We have the same problem here, but resistance of ordinary people and protest political party has prevented our right-wing government of doing the worst measures even they planned them, but they cancelled the worst parts after loud protest voices of ordinary people.

You commies realize the US already gives away an insane amount of housing though Section 8 and various other welfare schemes, right?

It doesn't work. And the US isn't Finland. The US has wide open borders and millions & millions of blacks and browns that will NEVER contribute to the betterment of the country.

FUCK THEM. They can die in the gutter for all I care. At least that will help the situation.

Hahahaha well what will happen is everyone will stop working and claim they are homeless so they get a free house. Plus homelessness is only a major problem from drug addicts. With in five years those houses will have to be condemned. Idiots. You want to solve homelessness, solve addiction

Many of homeless are divorced men who are left with nothing after divorce. They get depressed, lose their job, begin to use substances. Do you think those who use substances have planned to live like that from beginning?

Is it possible for ordinary white single guy in US to get a free house and free money?

And he didn’t let his mother sleep indoors until his promise was fulfilled! Try that Paul Ryan.

Now going to write a story relating to what abundance or helping others does to the economy. If we get successful beyond our small town property, this is basically what I lie awake at night envisioning and plotting all the time.

First of all Goal: to empower people, to create local economies, to have costs go down, such as housing and even utilities and possibly food. To create jobs. To provide safety of housing. To create income to spend on people's businesses in town.


Joe and Barb inherited a half acre property in a small town, where there was no building code outside of the city limits, such as where they lived. Joe drove into work half an hour away and earned enough to support them, they put solar pannels on the roof with additional solar tracking along the edge and reduced their utilities, added a greenhouse along the house for ample food and aquaponics. They had low property tax and only utilities. Barb stays home to caretake home and their 2 children.

They decide to create an extra income for Barb, and to accomplish a dream to help their friends who spend a third of their time homeless in their RV and others.

They put up greenhouses and plant high yield micro crops of garlic and mushrooms and create crafts. Within 3 years, finding specialty nitches and adding more items they earn 60 000 take home from the property and save 30 000 a year.

Within 3 years they find an acre close buy, well in and begin to farm it, with aquaponics, and create 150000, Barb is still only taking an extra 1500 a month, and the rest is put into a basement mobile home and green house addition for their friends whose older kids now can operate a french fry stand, and have jobs.

Now, with the stand on their property and fruit stand they are employing others, creating a home for friends and putting away at least 100 000 each year.

Within 4 years they buy a 20 acre piece and land.

Rinse and repeat, until 10 year later, they have good incomes, various businesses, and a several large farms that have half the properties divided into 1/4 acre lots and take all those old mobile homes parks won't have, fix up with cedar and greenhouse additions on basements and house the poor and even homeless. In addition each family that moved in was worked with to create a full time income and their children sent to college.

Solar panels and solar tracking was sold and created out of recylced and had lottery draws every month to gift local properties and was run to fund busing services for families to work in the cities around them and for the kids to go to college.

With larger amounts of homes, the prices drop in the towns.

With donations of solar, the utilities drop.

With business starts ups for as many as possible incomes grow, economy grows.

More money to purchase from businesses exist.

For every single full time employment for each of these people: 6 service jobs are created. FACT ON REAL ECONOMICS THAT EVERY POLITICIAN KNOWS!


ITS CALLED A GREAT ECONOMY. NOT JUST FOR THE LOW INCOME WHO WERE HELPED INTO HOMES AND HALF OR MORE INTO INCOMES, THOUGH THE DISABLED AND VULNERABLE ALSO BENEFIT, BUT THE ENTIRE LOCAL VILLAGES AND WHOLE REGION WON AS WELL WITH MORE JOBS, LOWER COSTS, AND HIGHER STANDARDS OF LIVINg.

You always invest in people.

And in keeping necessities: food, land/homes, and utilities low.

Note nothing here involves opening borders to high risk people, though you might help them in their own countries do the same thing.

Nothing here involves giving away your rights or freedoms to an ever more fascist government.

Providing programs, if this was done in partnership with government, has nothing to do with taking away rights.

That just depends on the intentions of who you elect.

Having councils of citizens and the ability to fire people quickly would help.

Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 12/18/2017 01:49 PM

How many homes have you built?

My post above says we live on our property, but don't have the money to do what I want yet, but just outlined a plan that many many people who have the homes and money could do. especially those who retire from the city to the country and get property going for their children could start, by themselves with a good friend.

But that is my plan for our family.

We just shit bricks to get the septic tank fixed this fall, and pooled everyone's money.

Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 12/18/2017 01:44 PM

Om My you really are stupid? Seriously you think that there is an unlimited number of resources? You do realize their is only a finite amount of oil, wood, metal and even if You ramped up production what happens when You drill Your last barrel of oil? Also if someone can get a house just by sitting on their house then whom is going to gather these fucking resources needed to build homes? If You haven't noticed the jobs that gather those resources are really crappy jobs and no one wants to do them so good luck getting free fucking houses when no one wants to extract the resources from the earth because sitting on the ass pays more.

Last Edited by jkm1864 on 12/18/2017 01:44 PM

Really? You are in a box. Just outlined what abundance versus scarcity means in 2 posts.

Money isn't real.

Land and resources and energy put into something is real.

However, even in todays economy with the right intent people can carve abundance.

THEY'RE JUST TOO GREEDY AND PROGRAMMED TO DO IT.

SCARCITY GRADUALLY IMPOVERISHES YOUR ENTIRE TOWN.

Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 12/18/2017 01:46 PM

Probably none because He is a fucking stupid ass liberal. This POS assumes oil, wood, & metal to build these homes just get delivered by the leprechauns under the rain bow and its free for all to take. I have family members that worked in logging and that's a rough industry. Mining is a rough industry that eventually gives You black lung and You die so no unicorns there. The oil industry sends You all over the world and You stay away from home months at a time and You wonder why no one wants to do it. That's just three resources that are needed in home production and if people figure out they can get a home for free then why not just sit on Your ass. I've paid a 1400 dollar mortgage every month for the last 13 years and I can guarantee You if I could get a home for FREE I wouldn't have spent 16 years working 9 months a year on the water so My family could have a place to live. It's fuck heads like the op that make life harder for everyone else and We wonder why Americans work longer and harder than anyone on the earth and it's because of idiotic morons wanting everything for free.

Last Edited by jkm1864 on 12/18/2017 01:51 PM

No I'm not living in a fucking box and I know what the hell money is. What you fail to realize is LABOR is not FREE and if it is FREE then that's called SLAVERY. I guess I'm talking to a person that advocates slavery and wants everyone else to sacrifice in life just so they can get the easy way out.

Ok I agree partly with what Your saying in that the greedy wallstreet assholes are destroying the world. I don't agree with what the op is saying where You should all be slaves just so the victims in life can get everything for free.

I bet you're a Christian aren't you?

Now in addition to the benefit of having adequate housing for all people, by adequate I don't mean tiny apartments where you can't create income from your property, I mean yards that can create income.

That alone is the only decent kind of housing. Everyone having land and home.

They can shove their high rise apartments and micro buildings up their backsides!


But in addition to the enormous boost to your local economy to have high standards of living amongst people, there is also the actual cost of homelessness and just high costs, low wage, no money to spend locally:


[link to lookoutsociety.ca]

far less than 50%:

Also worth noting is a report conducted by the Centre for Applied Research in Mental Health and Addiction. The 2008 study, Housing and Support for Adults with Severe Addictions and/or Mental Illness, estimates B.C. taxpayers yearly contribution to homelessness is $644.3 million.
A 2001 study conducted by the B.C. government's Ministry of Community, Aboriginal and Women's Services found that:
- It cost the BC government 33% more to provide health care, criminal justice and social services to a homeless person than to a socially housed unemployed individual ($24,000 a year, compared to $18,000 a year).
- The combined service and shelter costs of housing a homeless people ranged from $30,000 to $40,000 on average for one year (including the cost of staying in a homeless shelter). In contrast, the combined costs of service and housing for housed individuals ranged from $22,000 to $28,000 per person per year if they stayed in supportive housing.
- The cost for providing social services for a homeless person was $7,893 a year.
- The health care costs of homeless person averaged $4,714 a year. An average Canadian citizen uses $2,633 per year in publicly financed health care services.



What people don't realize, is anything that creates scarcity, anything that takes people away from low cost homes, and necessities and reduces even the working class from having loose change and savings to spend locally, CREATES MASSIVE RECESSIONS, PUTS ASSETS INTO THE TOP 1%'s HANDS.


And they don't care. Right and left governmetns don't care one bit, as long as their overlords are raking in the real assets of land and businesses, and impoverishing people and freezing their rights, weakening them to serfdom state, THEY'RE FREAKING HAPPY.

Everything they do from allowing skyrocketing prices, reducing back yard size, blocking businesses from being run in most areas from most homes, all their rules and regulations are all designed TO TAKE AWAY SELF EMPOWERMENT AND ECONOMIC HEALTH.

Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 12/18/2017 02:05 PM

there is a simpler way, send the homeless back home

Lol. No.

I actually needed food stamps for a couple months, and this is after paying Texas forever and never using a single govt "service" in my life.
I was the only White male in the office, and everyone looked at me like "wtf are YOU doing here? This isn't for YOU!" Then the staff gave me the run around for $120 worth of food for 6 months.

Nope. Thanks for playing though!

The fatter check per kid needs to stop too. I never heard of anything so stupid. Who is gaining from this?

The situation is BAD in lucky ol Oz.
Waiting lists of 10 years for a low income government house and no room at hostels.
Renting usually costs more than the pension for oldies.
Rent assistance? Hasn't increased since 2007.
Hardly any new government houses being built.
I've moved 5 times in 5 years, renting in the private market. For half a year I couch surfed.
More and more people are on the streets, expected to get over their addictions and mental illnesses and make their work for the dole requirements, without a place to live.

The only solution offered?
The old trickle down effect will cure it.

i had to re read that post for a second, i thought I surely must have wrote it and forgot about it

Finland population: 5 million.

U.S. population: 320 million.

Finland has the benefit of very low temperatures in winter....