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The Last Jedi isn’t an awful film. Not Force Awakens awful. But it is pretty bad. Down there at the bottom of the scrap heap, with The Force Awakens and The Phantom Menace. The question on my mind was whether The Force Awakens was just a Phantom Menace moment, a rocky start to a trilogy that redeemed itself with two pretty good films. (Yes, I like Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Fight me.) But no, it was not to be. It was not hard, of course, for The Last Jedi to improve upon The Force Awakens. But it still isn’t a very good film, and no amount of directorial and techological wizardry can redeem this wretched trilogy now.

So is it time for the Star Wars franchise to die?

No. Last year’s Rogue One proved that Disney can turn out a good Star Wars film. Rogue One took elements from the established mythos and populated it with new characters and an original story. There is literally no end to the possibilities of such films, especially if they have good scripts and good directors. I am actually looking forward to next year’s Han Solo film, directed by Ron Howard. That, Disney, is the way to go forward. But the scripts have to be original and good, and why not get the best possible directorial talent? Why not get Christopher Nolan to direct a Star Wars film? Why not David Lynch, who was actually discussed as director for Return of the Jedi? (Imagine what he would have done with Jabba and the Ewoks.)

The problem with the new trilogy is that it is a calculated remake (a “soft reboot”) of the original one. Given that there is a whole universe of fan fiction as well as countless authorized Star Wars novels to steal from, the cynicism and complete poverty of imagination revealed by the decision to do an ill-concealed, sometimes shot-by-shot, remake is truly breath-taking. I have already detailed how The Force Awakens is a shameless remake of A New Hope and elements of The Empire Strikes Back. Let’s look at how The Last Jedi rips off The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

At the end of Awakens, the Death Star Star Killer Base has been destroyed. But the Rebellion Resistance is put to flight, and the Imperial First Order fleet commanded by Dark Side adept Darth Vader Kylo Ren is hunting them down.

The pursuit of the Rebels Resistance is intercut with the story of aspiring Jedi Luke Skywalker Rey going to a remote sanctuary to learn the ways of the Force from cantankerous old Jedi Master Yoda Luke Skywalker.

Midway through the film, we are diverted to the cloud city of Bespin casino planet of Canto Bight (an upscale Mos Eisley cantina scene) where the fleeing Rebels Resistance seek the aid of an off-white rogue named Lando Calrissian DJ, who later betrays them to the Empire First Order.

The third act takes place on Emperor Palpatine’s Supreme Leader Snoke’s Death Star command ship, where the Emperor Supreme Leader tortures Jedi adept Luke Skywalker Rey, who watches the destruction of the Rebel Resistance fleet, until Darth Vader Kylo Ren has a change of heart and kills his master. Then Vader Ren reaches out to Skywalker Rey with the offer of a lifetime: to join him and help rule the galaxy. Vader Ren even offers Skywalker Rey information about her parents. No, Ren is not Rey’s father, because that would be derivative, and Rian Johnson is a director with artistic integrity.

The fourth act of the movie, which feels tacked on, is on an ice planet called Hoth Crait, where the Rebellion Resistance has taken refuge in an underground base protected from space bombardment by a shield, so that it must be taken by ground assault by Imperial First Order Walkers.

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The last jedi is an awful film.
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I heard Luke dies
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I give it an 8 out of 10, so i like it. And i also like the phantom menace.
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The projection Luke ending was something that should have been left for the cartoons and not used in a movie.
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I just saw it and was not impressed.
Too long and too fragmented. also same stolen storyline.
they need originality.
Luca must be cringing..
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I just saw it and was not impressed.
Too long and too fragmented. also same stolen storyline.
they need originality.
Luca must be cringing..
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I've heard so many people saying the same thing mostly bad reviews on the movie, thats sucks because I've been waiting alot time to see it, thanks for the input.

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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."- Samuel Adams

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It wasn't as bad as most are saying. Keep in mind the same people whining about the last jedi are the sames ones who spent six months bitching about the force awakens having a black guy in the lead cast.

They whine that Leia "flew" through space, but that's not what happened. They bitch that luke projected himself onto another planet but none of them have ever read the books to know this was a well known ability.

There are problems with the plot which leaves one scratching one's head as to how that could have made it past the editing table like the whole excursion to the casino. That was infuriatingly idiotic and fruitless.

It was too long. At 2 full hours they could have chopped out 30 minutes of the bs and would have ended up with a great movie.

The chemistry between Rey and Ben is what makes the movie.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

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It was like they put all the old 80s films in a blender , and whatever happens in those they just did the opposite .No coherent story , don't know who anyone is and what the point of the trilogy is all about ........ shame just be original ....:why killl of all the old characters - just makes you not care about the new characters - also how come she doesn't need training , and why didn't they just blow there spaceship up and be done with it / explanation was that it was going just fast enough for them not to catch up WTF. ..... and who has s smoke and how come he got an army out of nowhere and so so on !!!!!!!!!!!!
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It wasn't as bad as most are saying. Keep in mind the same people whining about the last jedi are the sames ones who spent six months bitching about the force awakens having a black guy in the lead cast.

They whine that Leia "flew" through space, but that's not what happened. They bitch that luke projected himself onto another planet but none of them have ever read the books to know this was a well known ability.

There are problems with the plot which leaves one scratching one's head as to how that could have made it past the editing table like the whole excursion to the casino. That was infuriatingly idiotic and fruitless.

It was too long. At 2 full hours they could have chopped out 30 minutes of the bs and would have ended up with a great movie.

The chemistry between Rey and Ben is what makes the movie.
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I really like The Force Awakens and John Boyega "Finn" really played a good part, I'am planning on seeing this weekend so we will see.
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It wasn't as bad as most are saying. Keep in mind the same people whining about the last jedi are the sames ones who spent six months bitching about the force awakens having a black guy in the lead cast.

They whine that Leia "flew" through space, but that's not what happened. They bitch that luke projected himself onto another planet but none of them have ever read the books to know this was a well known ability.

There are problems with the plot which leaves one scratching one's head as to how that could have made it past the editing table like the whole excursion to the casino. That was infuriatingly idiotic and fruitless.

It was too long. At 2 full hours they could have chopped out 30 minutes of the bs and would have ended up with a great movie.

The chemistry between Rey and Ben is what makes the movie.
 Quoting: DARTH SILIOUS


I really like The Force Awakens and John Boyega "Finn" really played a good part, I'am planning on seeing this weekend so we will see.
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Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
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The Force shall free me.

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And to me the best part was the very ending scene. The one where the slave kid stands w/ a broom in his hand, looking out onto the Universe after playing w/ his 'mates mimic'ing Skywalker in battle.

Yeah, the Last Jedi....pffft! Not hardly.
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Jar Jar could have saved the film.
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Jar Jar could have saved the film.
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"...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
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A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on.
--John F. Kennedy

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Jar Jar could have saved the film.
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Only a minute in... boom33
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It wasn't as bad as most are saying. Keep in mind the same people whining about the last jedi are the sames ones who spent six months bitching about the force awakens having a black guy in the lead cast.

They whine that Leia "flew" through space, but that's not what happened. They bitch that luke projected himself onto another planet but none of them have ever read the books to know this was a well known ability.

There are problems with the plot which leaves one scratching one's head as to how that could have made it past the editing table like the whole excursion to the casino. That was infuriatingly idiotic and fruitless.

It was too long. At 2 full hours they could have chopped out 30 minutes of the bs and would have ended up with a great movie.

The chemistry between Rey and Ben is what makes the movie.
 Quoting: DARTH SILIOUS


I really like The Force Awakens and John Boyega "Finn" really played a good part, I'am planning on seeing this weekend so we will see.
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TFA had the great charm of Rey and the spectacle of Kylo and the humor of Fin and BB8 and the fun of meeting up with the old gang. Those elements covered a multitude of flaws and produced a film that was worthwhile.

I thought that TLJ was also worthwhile. They left themselves in quite a spot after TFA and it was interesting to see how they would deal. It had fantastic CG visuals a fine score and the Luke/Rey/Kylo interplay was the powerful heart.

It also had tremendous problems.

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS

It was dark and fractured with very little in the way of humor.

Everything the heroes did was a failure, In it's closest analog, Empire Strikes Back, everyone of the heroes, with the exception of one point at the very end, was successful in what he/she set out to do. Rescuing Luke from the storm, evacuating the ice planet, finding Yoda and being trained, escaping the imperial fleet and getting repairs for the Falcon, deliberately walking into the trap to occupy Vader and the imperials and enable the others to escape without getting captured in the attempt. Even in the one failed point with regaining Han, there was hope for complete success later.

In the original trilogy, every one of the main characters was integral and vitally necessary to the story arc of the trilogy. In the sequel trilogy, not so much. It's now clear that Boyega and Isaacs and the Asian gal are there for the sole purpose of not being white males. The result is that the majority of the movie is needless filler. They needed to have something to do because, you know, we can't have any white males and a movie is a series of moving images.

There was a way to fix most of this by only a change-up of the ending.

The last survivors make it to the salt fortress. They fail to stop the gun and Luke's projection confronts Kylo. Leia goes out to confront Kylo after ordering them to holobroadcast the whole battle throughout the galaxy. She staves off capture with her laser dagger and some freaky force witch moves. She falls on Kylo's saber making it look like he killed her, and Finn and Po and all the not-white males rush out guns blazing in their vain-glorious last stand to inspire the galaxy to a new rebellion. They aren't the gang that couldn't shoot straight, they were just caught in a completely hopeless sitcheeyashun. The last survivors are Rey, Chewie, R2 and 3PO, maybe Luke with Yoda's ghost, a porg and a crystal kittyfox for the tweeny girls, and, most importantly, a Resistance tech named Landolina Calrissian cuz, you know, we absolutely can't have any good guys who are white males.

Also, no more subplots for not-white males that screw up the central story arc.
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The Last Jedi was great! Awesome ending for Luke!
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The Last Jedi was great! Awesome ending for Luke!
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He also explained what many of us who have read all of the books already knew. The Jedi are a bumbling bunch of fools.

I was hoping they would have explored the book of the whills a bit more but hopefully they can manage to do that in #9 in between the two or three SJW excursions.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

Or something
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They killed off all the white males or made them bad guys. They can go suck a dick!
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there is no way this movie is that bad or theres a secret second version thats way better
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The last two weren't worth a damn. Put a bit of SJW in there and this isn't worth my time or money
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We finally watched it today. After the reviews I read I opted for the $5 "autistic friendly" showing.

It was worth $5.

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