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God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?

 
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God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
In Trump's new tax plan there is a law that says we are going to get taxes trading crypto after Jan 1 2018

What if we trade on biance in China? Can we get hit with tax invasion?

Trump fucked all the crypto traders

[link to bitcoinist.com]



CRYPTOCURRENCY INVESTORS LOSE MAJOR TAX BREAK UNDER NEW U.S. TAX CODE


The new U.S. tax code amends IRC Section 1031 (a)(1) regarding “like kind exchanges,” excluding all cryptocurrencies from a previous legal loophole and making all cryptocurrency trades a taxable event.

On Friday morning, U.S. President Donald Trump signed a new tax bill into law, signalling the first major tax overhaul in the U.S. in over 30 years. And while you may or may not have high praise for the bill, one thing is certain: the new tax code is bad news for cryptocurrency investors. Starting Jan. 1st, 2018, all cryptocurrency trades will be a taxable event, including swapping one cryptocurrency for another.
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You guys knew this was coming, they can see everything you do and will be coming for their cut.
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
There is not one person in the country that avoids paying capital gains on investments.

This law legitimizes cryptocurrency to Fiat conversion.
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
There is not one person in the country that avoids paying capital gains on investments.

This law legitimizes cryptocurrency to Fiat conversion.
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Obama let us trade cryptos and never ever got involved

In comes Trump and his cuckservetives and they fucked it all up

So year for years and years under Obama people avoided it


Fuck trump and the cuckservetives
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
Obama let us trade cryptos and never ever got involved

Obama let a lot of things happen under his watch without getting involved - most of them were illegal.
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
There is not one person in the country that avoids paying capital gains on investments.

This law legitimizes cryptocurrency to Fiat conversion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74033525


Obama let us trade cryptos and never ever got involved

In comes Trump and his cuckservetives and they fucked it all up

So year for years and years under Obama people avoided it


Fuck trump and the cuckservetives
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You must be under 25.

Conservative is what keeps the country on the rails moving forward pal.
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
There is not one person in the country that avoids paying capital gains on investments.

This law legitimizes cryptocurrency to Fiat conversion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74033525


Obama let us trade cryptos and never ever got involved

In comes Trump and his cuckservetives and they fucked it all up

So year for years and years under Obama people avoided it


Fuck trump and the cuckservetives
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73663602


You must be under 25.

Conservative is what keeps the country on the rails moving forward pal.
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Fuck. So what's his talk about to much regulations? His regulations just fucked us

You will be guilty of tax invasion if you trade on biance on kucoin

How can you be into cryptos and support Trump he just fucked every one in America who deals in cryptos

Everyone else in the world takes home tax free profits
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12/27/2017 03:13 PM
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
Nope. Stop listening to people speculating with a zero knowledge base on the subject.
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12/27/2017 03:14 PM
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
capital gains? If your crypto increases in value you have made income and owe tax on it whether you sell it or not. Where does it say cryto is subject to capital gains laws like stocks?
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
Part of the cryptos fad explosion is people thinking they can make investments without paying taxes.
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
and just how would they implement this? would each trader be responsible for producing a copy of all trades made within the year?
Sounds like a nightmare that most won't bother with.

The only viable way is to regulate each and every exchange to charge tax in the transaction.

Going to an overseas exchange won't do any good as you are required to verify with id. All overseas banks now are already required to report the accounts of any American Citizens.
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Coins held for less than a year are subject to regular income tax, which can range anywhere from 10 to 37 percent, depending upon personal income levels. Coins held for longer than one year are subject to long-term capital gains tax, which caps at around 24 percent.
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
you pay capital gains on gold and silver so why not cryptos?
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
and just how would they implement this? would each trader be responsible for producing a copy of all trades made within the year?
Sounds like a nightmare that most won't bother with.

The only viable way is to regulate each and every exchange to charge tax in the transaction.

Going to an overseas exchange won't do any good as you are required to verify with id. All overseas banks now are already required to report the accounts of any American Citizens.
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When cashing out into USD that money gets deposited into an account somewhere. They will probably have a new investment form sheet to fill out that has to jive with what figures the banks report to the IRS.
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uh dude...did you really think you'd be able to buy and sell and not pay taxes?
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
There is not one person in the country that avoids paying capital gains on investments.

This law legitimizes cryptocurrency to Fiat conversion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74033525


Obama let us trade cryptos and never ever got involved

In comes Trump and his cuckservetives and they fucked it all up

So year for years and years under Obama people avoided it


Fuck trump and the cuckservetives
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73663602


You must be under 25.

Conservative is what keeps the country on the rails moving forward pal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74033525


Fuck. So what's his talk about to much regulations? His regulations just fucked us

You will be guilty of tax invasion if you trade on biance on kucoin

How can you be into cryptos and support Trump he just fucked every one in America who deals in cryptos

Everyone else in the world takes home tax free profits
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73663602


The United States has formed a global network to avoid tax evasion. That's why Americans overseas, who do not reside in the US, are required to file every year. You may not have to pay, but you have to file. Every EU bank is required to turn in info on American Citizens or face huge fines. This is the reason for the spike in Citizenship renunciations.
If the US can do this, you can bet the EU and other countries like Austrailia are next.
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
uh dude...did you really think you'd be able to buy and sell and not pay taxes?
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What is going to be taxed? The total sale? Only the profit from the sale?
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uh dude...did you really think you'd be able to buy and sell and not pay taxes?
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The cryptards are all thinking they're going to skate all traditional systems because block chain is special.
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"tax invasion"

epiclol
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
and just how would they implement this? would each trader be responsible for producing a copy of all trades made within the year?
Sounds like a nightmare that most won't bother with.

The only viable way is to regulate each and every exchange to charge tax in the transaction.

Going to an overseas exchange won't do any good as you are required to verify with id. All overseas banks now are already required to report the accounts of any American Citizens.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74422807


I have 4 account on overseas accounts and none asked for I'd

Fucking slow fuck coinbase is the only one that asks for id
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uh dude...did you really think you'd be able to buy and sell and not pay taxes?
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What is going to be taxed? The total sale? Only the profit from the sale?
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just the profit. I think capital gains for most of us is 15%
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uh dude...did you really think you'd be able to buy and sell and not pay taxes?
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I was trading crypto for 6 years under obama and never got taxed

This is news to me OP.

5 stars for bringing this to my attention. Guess I gotta call a lawyer or an accountant. Now I have to waste money because of trump.
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
After the exchange takes a percentage and uncle Sam takes a cut those huge gains everyone brags about will look like any normal stock gain...if you're lucky.
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uh dude...did you really think you'd be able to buy and sell and not pay taxes?
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What is going to be taxed? The total sale? Only the profit from the sale?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74422807


just the profit. I think capital gains for most of us is 15%
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So what the fuck happens if I wire $20,000 from my binance account to my bank?

Money laundering for trading in Chinese exchange that didnt tax me?
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You guys knew this was coming, they can see everything you do and will be coming for their cut.
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They laughed at me when I told them. Who's laughing now mother fuckers?
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You guys knew this was coming, they can see everything you do and will be coming for their cut.
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They laughed at me when I told them. Who's laughing now mother fuckers?
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It's all Trump's work...can't blame this on Obama or the Democrats

This was PURE REPUBLICAN FUCKERY
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
just leave all your investment in on whatever coins you want and hold. Dont start trading other coins for others. When you are ready to cash out dont send it to your bank. Use cryptopia to buy items using your bitcoins like " Gold, silver, autos then sell that for U.S Currency CASH
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Obama let us trade cryptos and never ever got involved

Obama let a lot of things happen under his watch without getting involved - most of them were illegal.
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Cryptos were used to finance Daesh (ISIS)
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
No government is going to allow people to make that kind of returns thus far tax free

The irs has already been hauling people to court for huge amounts over the last two years ... you always were legally required to report taxable gains now they improved the law to get to where the real money will be made ... shorting the cryptos on Wall Street
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You guys knew this was coming, they can see everything you do and will be coming for their cut.
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They laughed at me when I told them. Who's laughing now mother fuckers?
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Many of us get laughed at for warning them. I take no pleasure from being told I was right later as usually then people want to ask you for guidance.
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Re: God damnit Trump fucked the American crypto market, we are getting taxed! We they charge us with tax invasion if we trade over seas?
just leave all your investment in on whatever coins you want and hold. Dont start trading other coins for others. When you are ready to cash out dont send it to your bank. Use cryptopia to buy items using your bitcoins like " Gold, silver, autos then sell that for U.S Currency CASH
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Way to encourage people to go to jail for tax evasion if they file a return that doesn’t include those gains ... with an electronic trail to boot ...
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