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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76049292  United Kingdom12/29/2017 05:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay, gather 'round, children! Quoting: Jai_Guru_Santa_Om Reincarnation is not a truth, it is a model of a truth that functions as a stepping-stone lesson for neophytes who are not ready to grasp a "truer" and higher concept. Reincarnation wants you to believe you are an individual soul on a journey from one life to the next. The greater truth is that you are EVERY soul, outside of time, experiencing every incarnation simultaneously. There is only one consciousness expressing itself infinitely. You aren't really supposed to know this, and I risk throwing sacred truth to profane individuals. Most of the profane will take this information and laugh at it, because they are too spiritually dim to grasp it. That is good for them and what they should do. "But Jai, what do I (we, you, us) do with this information while we're stuck in the perception of linear time and space?" You work the model, that's what you do. Under the model, all of our collective consciousness is finalized in the flesh of the man called Jesus Christ. We all finally get to live the perfect life and in that body we return to our source. All you need to do is desire it, that's it. Your focus determines your reality, and if your reality is to get off this rock, that is how it's done. you have gathered a lot of the pieces of the puzzle together, but there are huge gaps that you have bridged with bull shit - that distort the entire Big Picture --- the conclusion that you have jumped to, with the limited amount of fragments you have gathered - is distorted, and incomplete are you asking us to believe that we are all ONE person when even the girl with two heads has a diffrent perspective than the girl she shares a body with ... they have different opinions of the same subject - different preferences, and different desires ... there is no two people on this Earth that are even close to being the same as another - not even identical twins --- we are all Unique by design, which serves the prupose of our Creation ...who has given us each an INDIVIDUATED CONSCIOUSNESS while it is true, that at one time, were were all ONE - that was so long ago, it doesn't relate to what we are experiencing in the NOW - but is our innate goal - to return to Oneness and unite our perspective with all the other unique perspectives to reveal Universal Truth Jesus was an individual that chose to embodied himself at a date much later than his Species - because he believed, at that time - that earthly bodies were a trap - and he and several other members of this species - hid from "god" in a dimension that they created, that "god" couldn't find ... but after seeing how his brothers and sisters were being decieved and enslaved, he entered into our midst to share his Truths ... his focus was on PROVING that Death is no necessary ... but he was misunderstood by people who wanted a Savior ... Jesus had achieved Christ Consciousness - before he entered into a body - but he also knew, that to progress, he needed to be PHYSICAL - and he had already gained experience in previous "life times" before he was named Jesus ... he believed that if he could convince us that "death" (and all the things associated with it) no longer served a purpose - but he also knew that we wouldn't believe it - unless we saw it - with our own eyes ... which explained why he let the Romans crucify him - in front of all his followers ... so that when he returned from death, they would believe him ... but they were too brain-washed by the Heirarchies - and had no self-confidence - because they were TOTALLY dependent upon others, They not only ignored the fact that NATURE was designed to provide for their every need UNCONDITIONALLY --- they served an alien god, of their own free will - and surrendered their greatest gift (FREE WILL) so that "gods" self-serving agenda might be done (on Earth as it is in the Heavens where he came from) I understand that you are not quite "there"yet, for the fullness of the truth. I covered that in my initial post. You are where you should be, and that's okay and good for you. Yes, we all appear to be individuals...it wouldn't work, otherwise. However, there is no reason (outside of freewill groupthink) that we have to remain in that understanding. We have the ability to transcend and direct our conciousness back home. And when you are home what evidence have you that you merge into the ‘whole’ as you put it? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76049292 United Kingdom12/29/2017 05:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lot of souls come from other planets and dimensions. Also souls are constantly being created and this might be their first time here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74454492 If you think souls are being created, rather than being eternal, real, authentic, then you are left with the unanswerable question of who created the creator. |
cosmicgypsy
 User ID: 74619032 United States12/29/2017 07:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: cosmicgypsy This, yes. Many people are coming to life now to transition through the Grand Shift of consciousness. to attempt transition being here doesn't make that a given just an opportunity and yes many are here for this opportunity Yes, of course. What is it, like 30% of the population are Organic Portal (OP)?....they don't even come close to having a shot to transition. They're back to the primordial soup once this Grand Shift occurs. Then there are souled people who their shot is dicey because they've gone so far from creation and source that they wouldn't know a shift, much less a Grand Shift, if it reached out and shouted at and begged them to come along. There are, however, MANY who are ready and waiting...and whether or not they know they're ready and waiting or what a Grand Shift is, they'll still transition. Save for the OPs, it's not for any of us to say who is going to shift, and who is not....but the fact of the matter is, we've all had plenty of time and opportunities to wake up and prepare ourselves, and the children's hearts will already be known. in truth good pal it's all in the heart :) Yes. Sheesh, I had meant to add that to my fourth line, and forgot. Derp. It's what is in the heart, not necessarily the mind, that dictates who transitions. The soul's history, this most have no clue about what their soul's history is, is involved as well. At any rate, it's been nice chatting with you, lovey....we soul mates get to meet upon occasion, and it's a comfort to do so, eh?  You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72387611 United States12/29/2017 08:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay, gather 'round, children! Quoting: Jai_Guru_Santa_Om Reincarnation is not a truth, it is a model of a truth that functions as a stepping-stone lesson for neophytes who are not ready to grasp a "truer" and higher concept. Reincarnation wants you to believe you are an individual soul on a journey from one life to the next. The greater truth is that you are EVERY soul, outside of time, experiencing every incarnation simultaneously. There is only one consciousness expressing itself infinitely. You aren't really supposed to know this, and I risk throwing sacred truth to profane individuals. Most of the profane will take this information and laugh at it, because they are too spiritually dim to grasp it. That is good for them and what they should do. "But Jai, what do I (we, you, us) do with this information while we're stuck in the perception of linear time and space?" You work the model, that's what you do. Under the model, all of our collective consciousness is finalized in the flesh of the man called Jesus Christ. We all finally get to live the perfect life and in that body we return to our source. All you need to do is desire it, that's it. Your focus determines your reality, and if your reality is to get off this rock, that is how it's done. There shouldn't be "profane" individuals who deny it if we're all one divine consciousness. You only contradicted yourself in one post. |
| hollyavila
User ID: 75520996 United States12/29/2017 08:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was reading through the "Reincarnation is Biblical" thread and came across a lot of interesting points and comments. What I didn't find mentioned or questioned was the explanation in regard to where all the new souls come from. If 10,000 years ago the population was less than a billion people, where do all the new souls for the newly born babies come from? I'm not discrediting the idea of reincarnation, I actually think it may be a possible explanation for some of lives anomalies. I'm genuinely interested to hear ideas about how this could work. Quoting: EequalsMC2 My theory is that we are all here for the big show. We didn't all incarnate at the same time before. If you never got fully saved, baptized, tongues speaking, then you are still trapped in the machine. We are all here for the final show down, and lines are being drawn. The wheat and the tares grew together, but the time for reaping is near. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72615888 United States12/29/2017 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay, gather 'round, children! Quoting: Jai_Guru_Santa_Om Reincarnation is not a truth, it is a model of a truth that functions as a stepping-stone lesson for neophytes who are not ready to grasp a "truer" and higher concept. Reincarnation wants you to believe you are an individual soul on a journey from one life to the next. The greater truth is that you are EVERY soul, outside of time, experiencing every incarnation simultaneously. There is only one consciousness expressing itself infinitely. You aren't really supposed to know this, and I risk throwing sacred truth to profane individuals. Most of the profane will take this information and laugh at it, because they are too spiritually dim to grasp it. That is good for them and what they should do. "But Jai, what do I (we, you, us) do with this information while we're stuck in the perception of linear time and space?" You work the model, that's what you do. Under the model, all of our collective consciousness is finalized in the flesh of the man called Jesus Christ. We all finally get to live the perfect life and in that body we return to our source. All you need to do is desire it, that's it. Your focus determines your reality, and if your reality is to get off this rock, that is how it's done. I agree 100% except for the last paragraph, the Jesus metaphor is but one of the many vehicles for the Presence that works here in the earth dimension. Attachment to that one metaphor will be like the manx cat's missing tail, it won't survive the transition. All language symbol attachment is automatically dropped as one enters the other dimension where what we might term, the love flow, God, is too apparent to quibble about symbolic comparisons, basically different street names, to heaven. Some street names aren't even after a person, like the Tao. Or the bani, shabda, the word, the sound. Things that work directly with consciousness and don't need to work through the mind, like the metaphors need too. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74762152 United States12/29/2017 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, you got it backwards. Reincarnation works in reverse. We all start off way in the future, and when we die, we jump to a new past life until we get it right. The number of people goes down as time goes backwards. Those who take nearly all of human existence to escape the cycle have to go back to the caveman days. The last time you lived was a century or two from now. When you die, you'll reincarnate in the 1800s sometime. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76048926  Australia12/29/2017 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | all human beings with souls that have ever lived is exactly equal to number of people alive minus multiple incarnations Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76047545 When Jesus returns, all eyes will see him,, on / in the clouds, even those who pierced him. The only explanation IS that those who murdered Jesus 2000 years ago will be reincarnated and be in physical bodies on Planet Earth at the time of Jesus return. |
| dave User ID: 74783844 Australia12/29/2017 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was reading through the "Reincarnation is Biblical" thread and came across a lot of interesting points and comments. What I didn't find mentioned or questioned was the explanation in regard to where all the new souls come from. If 10,000 years ago the population was less than a billion people, where do all the new souls for the newly born babies come from? I'm not discrediting the idea of reincarnation, I actually think it may be a possible explanation for some of lives anomalies. I'm genuinely interested to hear ideas about how this could work. Quoting: EequalsMC2 May be there are trillions of soles already.Earth is only 1 of millions of experiences to have. Perhaps other experiences are not so physically oriented. In this framework reincarnation is possible from a numbers point of view. |
| King Triad
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76046505 United States12/29/2017 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Reincarnation isn’t real. 2. The set of souls to incarnate is larger than just formerly dead humans. 3. There are more dead people than history suggests. 4. Reincarnation can go into the past as well as the future. 5. Reincarnating souls can multiply. |
| Jai_Guru_Santa_Om
Breshears is Off: Ask Me Why User ID: 65955727 United States12/29/2017 10:55 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And when you are home what evidence have you that you merge into the ‘whole’ as you put it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76049292 "Evidence" is something that material people want to satisfy their material needs their monkey brains demand. In the spirit we experientiate and it satisfies the needs of the spirit, if it can be said that the spirit has needs. (Hint: it doesn't.) The truth is that the oneness is so awesome and great that it can't handle itself, and the outward expression of individual consciousness happens all over again. Out and in, out and in..the universal constant. There are many, many levels of awareness between this primitive version and "home" in which we must deal with purgatories and paradises, Faux-Divinity and Demonoid states on all manner of planescapes...if awareness takes us there. The free-radical is free will. Most people think of their consciousness as their spark of individuality, it's not, the act of being "On and aware" is singular. True individuality is the collection of decisions you make with your free will. Free will is not a subset of consciousness, it is it's own thing, the one thing that is You. Free will *is* the spirit. "My" free will wants to be rid of the games, I'm bored of it all, I want to go home, not be able to handle it again, and start fresh, a total idiot with no preconieved notions about anything... no tendencies, no hazy memories, no karmic entanglements...just new and naïve. (B)ullshit™ always needs an amplified bullhorn demanding kneeling subservience - or else.- SyncAsFunk The light within me always draws me back to make the dark decision to leave the false counterfeit light. -New Heart |
| BleachedPink1111
User ID: 43600782 United States12/29/2017 11:17 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just as we are all one, I believe our souls can split off and become fractals and incarnate into more than one body. I swear to God that I know who one of my soul fractals are: Cheryl Strayed, the woman who wrote the book "Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail." I listened to the audio book CD the year it came out, back in 2012. And I swear to God as I was listening to it, I was getting such a powerful sense of De Ja Vu with every part of her journey. Everything was so familiar, from her initial unpreparedness, to her encounter with the strange men in the woods all by herself, to her boots falling apart and calling customer service and getting her boots replaced for free, etc. I had such a sense of remembering of everything, that I could have sworn I had heard the story before. I know I didn't read it before, so I thought for sure that I must have heard it before, somewhere. I realized the book came out that year in 2012, but I couldn't find reference to the story, or any parts of it anywhere prior to that. It was just too weird. The only thing I could think of was that if we are all soul fractals and can reincarnate at any period of time, even parallel to other lives we have lived; she is me in a different incarnation cycle. I even googled her picture and there are a few of her younger pictures that are uncanny to my younger pictures. Same facial structure. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73817748  Netherlands12/29/2017 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You all still look at time as past, present and future while there is only the now. That you see somebody else getting born into this life does not mean that person was here before or ever will be here again after this life, it is just coming in existence in the now. It is logical that there are more people here then before only because there are more human vessels. What we are witnessing in the moment is constant change, that is the only reality. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59490123 United States12/29/2017 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | every BODY has a soul - you have free will, but your Destiny is not a matter of choice ... you will serve the purpose of your creation ... no one will fail - no one is "lost" - our creator doesn't make "mistakes" - but that's how we learn some souls sleep through entire lifetimes others are seduced by - soul-less entities- to surrender their bodies to their control but basically these types of behaviors, only lengthen the process - it is just a matter of time, and the next existence isn't subject to time - so it doesn't matter how "long" it takes, you will get there |
| jkm1864
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70321915 United States12/29/2017 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay, gather 'round, children! Quoting: Jai_Guru_Santa_Om Reincarnation is not a truth, it is a model of a truth that functions as a stepping-stone lesson for neophytes who are not ready to grasp a "truer" and higher concept. Reincarnation wants you to believe you are an individual soul on a journey from one life to the next. The greater truth is that you are EVERY soul, outside of time, experiencing every incarnation simultaneously. There is only one consciousness expressing itself infinitely. You aren't really supposed to know this, and I risk throwing sacred truth to profane individuals. Most of the profane will take this information and laugh at it, because they are too spiritually dim to grasp it. That is good for them and what they should do. "But Jai, what do I (we, you, us) do with this information while we're stuck in the perception of linear time and space?" You work the model, that's what you do. Under the model, all of our collective consciousness is finalized in the flesh of the man called Jesus Christ. We all finally get to live the perfect life and in that body we return to our source. All you need to do is desire it, that's it. Your focus determines your reality, and if your reality is to get off this rock, that is how it's done. Hello, I am at this point right now. In gnosticism it says at the end of time we go back to one consciousness. Its a long story how we got here, I mean I. I typed in "we" and didnt even mean to. Stunning Its a long story how I got to this point but I felt the I AM in my heart and I started looking at people as if they were me in different circumstances . All I know is that I am ONE and I had already seen my final home, my perfect home. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70321915 United States12/29/2017 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, you got it backwards. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74762152 Reincarnation works in reverse. We all start off way in the future, and when we die, we jump to a new past life until we get it right. The number of people goes down as time goes backwards. Those who take nearly all of human existence to escape the cycle have to go back to the caveman days. The last time you lived was a century or two from now. When you die, you'll reincarnate in the 1800s sometime. Yes the Bible has not been lived yet. All the characters, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac etc have yet to be lived out. We are going backwards in time. |
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