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Rev Woo-Woo
User ID: 74524491 United States 01/15/2018 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What happened in Hawaii on January 13th 1893 Quoting: WinterStone US Marines landed in Hawaii to confront the Queen of Hawaii. [link to thepandorasociety.com] But what happened on the 125th anniversay? A false alarm? [link to www.navytimes.com (secure)] Didn’t the annexation of Hawaii happen on Jan 17th? No, the Marines landed on the 13th but didn't lock up the Queen until the 17th which then became the date of the official overthrow. A puppet government was then setup which later petitioned for annexation. However, the annexation was never ratified. Even the vote for statehood was completely illegitimate in that the plebiscite only contained 2 options - become a state or remain a territory. There is suppose to be the third option of returning to sovereignty. “If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.” Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16928271 United States 01/15/2018 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What happened in Hawaii on January 13th 1893 Quoting: WinterStone US Marines landed in Hawaii to confront the Queen of Hawaii. [link to thepandorasociety.com] But what happened on the 125th anniversay? A false alarm? [link to www.navytimes.com (secure)] Didn’t the annexation of Hawaii happen on Jan 17th? No, the Marines landed on the 13th but didn't lock up the Queen until the 17th which then became the date of the official overthrow. A puppet government was then setup which later petitioned for annexation. However, the annexation was never ratified. Even the vote for statehood was completely illegitimate in that the plebiscite only contained 2 options - become a state or remain a territory. There is suppose to be the third option of returning to sovereignty. I was always a fan of sovereignty, but now that I live on Maui, I would rather not be eaten in my sleep :P |
Judethz
User ID: 75895360 United Kingdom 01/15/2018 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since the official overthrow was 5 days later on the 17th, perhaps we're not through the woods yet. Quoting: Rev Woo-Woo Yes.. the beginning was the Marines being sent and the rest is history...the 17th is another significant date. I have a copy of Michener's HAWAII. But I never got past about 120 pages because it's so fucking depressing. |
The Comedian :D
User ID: 75425797 United States 01/15/2018 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What happened in Hawaii on January 13th 1893 Quoting: WinterStone US Marines landed in Hawaii to confront the Queen of Hawaii. Saint Comedian, Patron Saint of Bringing the Butthurt to Dipshits ‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’ - General Mattis, USMC, Secretary of Defense [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] "Subterfuge and social pressure are the wheel and fire of the 21st century" - Some asshole Legal Disclaimer: All comments are intended as humor and/or fiction and not advice, and not to be confused with any event or person, living or dead. |
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User ID: 74524491 United States 01/15/2018 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Clinton's were in Hawaii day before false alarm!! (Page 2) And Clinto was the one that signed the Apology Bill in 1993 Things that make you go hmmm... “If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.” Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
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User ID: 74524491 United States 01/15/2018 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to youtube.com (secure)] “If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.” Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6093189 United States 01/15/2018 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the Article... These anti-monarchists, known as the Hawaiian League, were mainly white males of American origin, and they quickly appointed themselves as government officials, providing themselves with almost complete control of the government. "White Males" sounds like J000Ws to me. ? XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx Signatories of the January 16 letter: Henry Ernest Cooper, American citizen who arrived in 1890, named chairman at mass meeting January 14, 1893 Crister Bolte, German national, Hawaiian subject, member Andrew Brown, Scottish national, member William Richards Castle, born in Honolulu 1849, attorney general for Kalākaua 1876, Hawaiian legislator 1878-88, member John Emmeluth, American citizen, member Theodore F. Lansing, American citizen, member John A. McCandless, American, naturalized Hawaiian subject, member Frederick W. McChesney, American citizen, member William Owen Smith, born on Kauaʻi 1838 of American missionaries, member Lorrin A. Thurston, born in Hawaii of American grandparents, member Edward Suhr, German citizen, member Henry Waterhouse, Hawaiian subject of Tasmanian birth, came to Hawaiʻi 1851, member William C. Wilder, American, Hawaiian subject, brother of Samuel Gardner Wilder, member Others who assisted in the overthrow: Charles L. Carter, American, naturalized Hawaiian subject, member, son of Henry A. P. Carter, brother of George R. Carter, died during the 1895 counter-revolution Samuel Mills Damon, Hawaiian subject with American parents, vice president of Provisional Government Sanford B. Dole, American, naturalized Hawaiian subject, selected to head Provisional Government and Republic Peter Cushman Jones, American, naturalized Hawaiian subject, provisional government minister of finance James A. King, Scottish national, named minister of interior |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6093189 United States 01/15/2018 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These anti-monarchists, known as the Hawaiian League, were mainly white males of American origin, and they quickly appointed themselves as government officials, providing themselves with almost complete control of the government. "White Males" sounds like J000Ws to me. ? XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx Signatories of the January 16 letter: Henry Ernest Cooper, American citizen who arrived in 1890, named chairman at mass meeting January 14, 1893 Crister Bolte, German national, Hawaiian subject, member Andrew Brown, Scottish national, member William Richards Castle, born in Honolulu 1849, attorney general for Kalākaua 1876, Hawaiian legislator 1878-88, member John Emmeluth, American citizen, member Theodore F. Lansing, American citizen, member John A. McCandless, American, naturalized Hawaiian subject, member Frederick W. McChesney, American citizen, member William Owen Smith, born on Kauaʻi 1838 of American missionaries, member Lorrin A. Thurston, born in Hawaii of American grandparents, member Edward Suhr, German citizen, member Henry Waterhouse, Hawaiian subject of Tasmanian birth, came to Hawaiʻi 1851, member William C. Wilder, American, Hawaiian subject, brother of Samuel Gardner Wilder, member Others who assisted in the overthrow: Charles L. Carter, American, naturalized Hawaiian subject, member, son of Henry A. P. Carter, brother of George R. Carter, died during the 1895 counter-revolution Samuel Mills Damon, Hawaiian subject with American parents, vice president of Provisional Government Sanford B. Dole, American, naturalized Hawaiian subject, selected to head Provisional Government and Republic Peter Cushman Jones, American, naturalized Hawaiian subject, provisional government minister of finance James A. King, Scottish national, named minister of interior |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6093189 United States 01/15/2018 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was NWO Totalitarian BQMTJ insurrection propelled by greedy, Power-Mad Illuminati Agents. With Grover Cleveland's election as President of the United States, the Provisional Government's hopes of annexation were derailed for a time. Indeed, Cleveland tried to directly help reinstate the monarchy, after an investigation led by James Henderson Blount. The Blount Report of July 17, 1893, commissioned by President Cleveland, concluded that the Committee of Safety conspired with U.S. ambassador John L. Stevens to land the United States Marine Corps, to forcibly remove Queen Liliʻuokalani from power, and declare a Provisional Government of Hawaii consisting of members from the Committee of Safety. |
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Rev Woo-Woo
User ID: 74524491 United States 01/15/2018 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An illegal annexation and conquest of a foreign nation. Non Hawaiians should be expelled, and the country liberated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18534086 More like the US de facto government and it's military expelled and the non Kanaka residents that choose to remain can either become subjects of the Kingdom or apply for a green card. “If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.” Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
The Comedian :D
User ID: 75425797 United States 01/15/2018 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An illegal annexation and conquest of a foreign nation. Non Hawaiians should be expelled, and the country liberated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18534086 Well, get right on that, Tubby. Saint Comedian, Patron Saint of Bringing the Butthurt to Dipshits ‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’ - General Mattis, USMC, Secretary of Defense [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] "Subterfuge and social pressure are the wheel and fire of the 21st century" - Some asshole Legal Disclaimer: All comments are intended as humor and/or fiction and not advice, and not to be confused with any event or person, living or dead. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6093189 United States 01/15/2018 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I didn't see that at first... Same Nose, Same lips... [link to static.afbeeldinguploaden.nl (secure)] . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6093189 United States 01/15/2018 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What happened in Hawaii on January 13th 1893 Quoting: WinterStone US Marines landed in Hawaii to confront the Queen of Hawaii. [link to thepandorasociety.com] But what happened on the 125th anniversay? A false alarm? [link to www.navytimes.com (secure)] This reminds me of another attempted "Insurrection" and over-throw of an Island Government using Marines. That was Cuba, Bay of Pigs Invasion. Where rogue (NWO) elements of American Government used American Mercenary Forces in an attempted Coup attempt and overthrow of the Cuban Government. Kennedy took the heat for the failed attempt, but he didn't authorize it, or approve it. It was treasonous elements in the government, loyal only to themselves, and their Oil-Cartel bosses. . |
Rev Woo-Woo
User ID: 74524491 United States 01/15/2018 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It would have only been a matter of time before Hawaii was colonized by one of the contemporary powers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75946570 Europe wasn't mostly ruled by cuckolds at the time. Age old excuse but once you learn the real history, you'll find that not to be so. “If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.” Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75946570 United States 01/15/2018 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It would have only been a matter of time before Hawaii was colonized by one of the contemporary powers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75946570 Europe wasn't mostly ruled by cuckolds at the time. Another decade or two, and Hawaii very well could have been colonized by Japan. How well do you think the Japanese of that era would have treated the native Hawaians? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75946570 United States 01/15/2018 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It would have only been a matter of time before Hawaii was colonized by one of the contemporary powers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75946570 Europe wasn't mostly ruled by cuckolds at the time. Age old excuse but once you learn the real history, you'll find that not to be so. Would you be kind enough to share the real history with us? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75946570 United States 01/15/2018 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What happened in Hawaii on January 13th 1893 Quoting: WinterStone US Marines landed in Hawaii to confront the Queen of Hawaii. [link to thepandorasociety.com] But what happened on the 125th anniversay? A false alarm? [link to www.navytimes.com (secure)] This reminds me of another attempted "Insurrection" and over-throw of an Island Government using Marines. That was Cuba, Bay of Pigs Invasion. Where rogue (NWO) elements of American Government used American Mercenary Forces in an attempted Coup attempt and overthrow of the Cuban Government. Kennedy took the heat for the failed attempt, but he didn't authorize it, or approve it. It was treasonous elements in the government, loyal only to themselves, and their Oil-Cartel bosses. . Is this more real history? |
Rev Woo-Woo
User ID: 74524491 United States 01/15/2018 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It would have only been a matter of time before Hawaii was colonized by one of the contemporary powers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75946570 Europe wasn't mostly ruled by cuckolds at the time. Age old excuse but once you learn the real history, you'll find that not to be so. Would you be kind enough to share the real history with us? It's complicated but here are some brief tidbits. Hawaii was a neutral nation under the protection of Great Britain - hence the flag similarities. Hawaii, Japan and China were in negotiations to form a united Pacific Union but delayed due to outside influences creating trouble for Japan's emperor and thus distracting his attention. At the time of the overthrow, Hawaii was the most literate nation on earth - 99% rate. It was also the most hitech with electricity and indoor plumbing long before the Whitehouse or Buckingham Palace. “If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.” Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
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User ID: 64584872 United States 01/15/2018 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It would have only been a matter of time before Hawaii was colonized by one of the contemporary powers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75946570 Europe wasn't mostly ruled by cuckolds at the time. Another decade or two, and Hawaii very well could have been colonized by Japan. How well do you think the Japanese of that era would have treated the native Hawaians? The way they treat the Ainu. |
ii_3 P*12 Ch
User ID: 64584872 United States 01/15/2018 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was NWO Totalitarian BQMTJ insurrection propelled by greedy, Power-Mad Illuminati Agents. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6093189 With Grover Cleveland's election as President of the United States, the Provisional Government's hopes of annexation were derailed for a time. Indeed, Cleveland tried to directly help reinstate the monarchy, after an investigation led by James Henderson Blount. The Blount Report of July 17, 1893, commissioned by President Cleveland, concluded that the Committee of Safety conspired with U.S. ambassador John L. Stevens to land the United States Marine Corps, to forcibly remove Queen Liliʻuokalani from power, and declare a Provisional Government of Hawaii consisting of members from the Committee of Safety. But...but...that's a conspiracy! And we all know there are no real conspiracies. Only conspiracy theories. |
Rev Woo-Woo
User ID: 74524491 United States 01/15/2018 05:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "King Kalakaua even defended the Bayonet Constitution to the natives." Quoting: ii_3 P*12 Ch King David Kalakaua was a 33rd degree Freemason. The most famous and important Hawaiian Freemason in history. “If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.” Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |