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(OP) User ID: 71182712 United States 02/07/2018 08:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is an article from Foxnews today. Quoting: Uncle of an Uncle [link to www.foxnews.com] SpaceX is betting on E-Sail technology to propel future spacecraft to Mars and beyond. Technology linked below. [link to www.nasa.gov (secure)] I was wondering how we were going to get to Mars in 30 days according to the article and what technology was going to be employed. So a few numbers first: Mean miles to Mars from Earth: 140,000,000 Light speed (LS) @ MPH: 670,616,629 LS converted to MPD (day) 16,094,799,105 (0.03)LSMPD to reach Mars in 30 days: 536,493,303 LSMPD converted to LSMPH for 30 days to Mars: 22,353,887 If my math is basically correct and if this E-Sail can be produced into a real world device. I have a few questions that I am not fully understanding concerning the trip to Mars. #1: The closer we are to the sun the greater the force can be applied to the E-sail via photon repulsion. I wonder how long it takes to achieve .03 LS (mean) using this technology. And this is based off and average solar wind speed. #2: Suppose you zooming along at 22,353,887 MPH and you hit a very small space rock (micro-meteor). For a comparison we can understand, a .50 cal Muzzle Velocity is 1909 MPH (2800 fps), that's 0.00008539901 of the projected mean speed of the spacecraft. My guess is "if" you run into ANYTHING however so small at that speed your craft will be instantly vaporized. #3: Unless I am missing something, and I might be. It looks that the E-sail is only good for a one-way trip. I don't think it can "swim up stream" against the solar wind. So then it looks as if storing massive fuel tanks for return trips would be the only way back home. Just a few ideas this morning.... #4: There will come a point during the trip to Mars you will need to apply the brakes in which to slow down. This can't be done with aerobraking at this speed, which only leaves you with having to build an ion drive or store fuel for the burn. Having said this, I wonder if E-sail is even the right device for this type of travel. Uncle of an Uncle |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69039017 United States 02/07/2018 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is an article from Foxnews today. Quoting: Uncle of an Uncle [link to www.foxnews.com] SpaceX is betting on E-Sail technology to propel future spacecraft to Mars and beyond. Technology linked below. [link to www.nasa.gov (secure)] I was wondering how we were going to get to Mars in 30 days according to the article and what technology was going to be employed. So a few numbers first: Mean miles to Mars from Earth: 140,000,000 Light speed (LS) @ MPH: 670,616,629 LS converted to MPD (day) 16,094,799,105 (0.03)LSMPD to reach Mars in 30 days: 536,493,303 LSMPD converted to LSMPH for 30 days to Mars: 22,353,887 If my math is basically correct and if this E-Sail can be produced into a real world device. I have a few questions that I am not fully understanding concerning the trip to Mars. #1: The closer we are to the sun the greater the force can be applied to the E-sail via photon repulsion. I wonder how long it takes to achieve .03 LS (mean) using this technology. And this is based off and average solar wind speed. #2: Suppose you zooming along at 22,353,887 MPH and you hit a very small space rock (micro-meteor). For a comparison we can understand, a .50 cal Muzzle Velocity is 1909 MPH (2800 fps), that's 0.00008539901 of the projected mean speed of the spacecraft. My guess is "if" you run into ANYTHING however so small at that speed your craft will be instantly vaporized. #3: Unless I am missing something, and I might be. It looks that the E-sail is only good for a one-way trip. I don't think it can "swim up stream" against the solar wind. So then it looks as if storing massive fuel tanks for return trips would be the only way back home. Just a few ideas this morning.... #4: There will come a point during the trip to Mars you will need to apply the brakes in which to slow down. This can't be done with aerobraking at this speed, which only leaves you with having to build an ion drive or store fuel for the burn. Having said this, I wonder if E-sail is even the right device for this type of travel. |
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Metta User ID: 72384418 United States 02/07/2018 08:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some have even been successful. And it has always been a 1-way trip. It is theoretically possible that at a later stage fuel could be produced on Mars. Initially oxygen and water will be the priorities. Here’s a good primer: [link to youtu.be (secure)] Last Edited by Westsail on 02/07/2018 08:23 PM The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed. -Albert Einstein |
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(OP) User ID: 71182712 United States 02/07/2018 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You guys do realize we’ve sent probes to the red planet before right? Quoting: Westsail Some have even been successful. And it has always been a 1-way trip. It is theoretically possible that at a later stage fuel could be produced on Mars. Initially oxygen and water will be the priorities. I 100% with what your saying. I am just looking at the concept of utilizing the E-sail for the Mars mission, which is currently the proposed option for this mission. I am not a rocket scientist, nor do I play one on TV. However, I am pretty good with a calculator. The numbers (time/distance) proposed for travel, the shielding for micro-meteors/radiation protection, the fuel needed for slow down, the fuel needed for return. None of them can be real. Uncle of an Uncle |