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The Original Mind
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jake
User ID: 75982184 United States 02/23/2018 05:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | .308 is the same sniper rifle the FBI and ATF uses accurate up from 300 to 600 yards. Last Edited by Slowly awakening on 02/23/2018 05:16 PM Evil controls the ignorant... Climate change is a hoax so is the vax you have been fear-porned into compliance! Definition Satan from the bible: Satan (Rev 12:7) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes." |
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jake
User ID: 75982184 United States 02/23/2018 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would not recommend a 308 as a starter rifle. How about a Ruger 22 to start with and get the hang of shooting and aiming. much cheaper to shoot and learn on Evil controls the ignorant... Climate change is a hoax so is the vax you have been fear-porned into compliance! Definition Satan from the bible: Satan (Rev 12:7) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes." |
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jake
User ID: 75982184 United States 02/23/2018 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | M-98 with 3 different barrels coolest gun i have ever owned Evil controls the ignorant... Climate change is a hoax so is the vax you have been fear-porned into compliance! Definition Satan from the bible: Satan (Rev 12:7) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes." |
jake
User ID: 75982184 United States 02/23/2018 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very expensive to shoot Last Edited by Slowly awakening on 02/23/2018 05:21 PM Evil controls the ignorant... Climate change is a hoax so is the vax you have been fear-porned into compliance! Definition Satan from the bible: Satan (Rev 12:7) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes." |
Larry D. Croc
User ID: 70736097 United States 02/23/2018 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First question. I've seen people recommending a 308 bolt action rifle for training. Why that gun? How can I tell a good 308 from a bad 308? Quoting: The Original Mind Ruger makes a good product. So does Tikka. So does Sako. It's a commonly available cartridge that's pretty accurate and pretty powerful at the ranges you'd likely be shooting. "Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell, where they already have it." Ronald Reagan The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
Larry D. Croc
User ID: 70736097 United States 02/23/2018 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | .308 is a cartridge, it's not "the same sniper rifle" anyone uses. "Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell, where they already have it." Ronald Reagan The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
The Original Mind
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The Original Mind
(OP) User ID: 75994857 United States 02/23/2018 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First question. I've seen people recommending a 308 bolt action rifle for training. Why that gun? How can I tell a good 308 from a bad 308? Quoting: The Original Mind Ruger makes a good product. So does Tikka. So does Sako. It's a commonly available cartridge that's pretty accurate and pretty powerful at the ranges you'd likely be shooting. Could you explain the difference between a cartridge and the alternative? I'd be shooting initially at a local sportsmans club. Wisdom is revealed as much by the questions one asks as the answers one gives. |
Larry D. Croc
User ID: 70736097 United States 02/23/2018 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Ruger 10/22 is a good all around plinker. It'll get you used to firearms in terms of handling them, safety, etc. Given that it has essentially no felt recoil you'll find a major difference when you step up to a center-fire cartridge. The .22lr, which the 10/22 uses, is a rimfire cartridge. And if you do go with a .22lr, which I think everyone should have as a matter of course, I'd encourage the use of standard velocity rounds. You'll get people here raging about "hi velocity rounds, man, yeah, that's the ticket!" It's not "the ticket. You'll get much better accuracy with a standard velocity round. There's not anyone shooting .22lr for accuracy that uses anything like a "CCI Stinger" or whatever they call 'em these days. "Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell, where they already have it." Ronald Reagan The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
Larry D. Croc
User ID: 70736097 United States 02/23/2018 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First question. I've seen people recommending a 308 bolt action rifle for training. Why that gun? How can I tell a good 308 from a bad 308? Quoting: The Original Mind Ruger makes a good product. So does Tikka. So does Sako. It's a commonly available cartridge that's pretty accurate and pretty powerful at the ranges you'd likely be shooting. Could you explain the difference between a cartridge and the alternative? I'd be shooting initially at a local sportsmans club. Cartridges are the combination of primer, powder, typically a brass cartridge, and a bullet of some weight and profile. Smaller bullet sizes, say a .223 or 5.56mm which is commonly used in the AR platform, has lower recoil, higher velocities, and a lower ballistic coefficient than the .308 which would have a heavier bullet in most cases, a larger brass casing, more powder, and a slower initial velocity. The .223 is more of a wounding round (yes it can be lethal but it's adoption by the military was based on a desire to wound more of the enemy than outright kill them. Troops can carry more ammunition with the .223 due to it's smaller size and lighter weight), while the .308 is going to do more damage (and likely be more lethal at longer ranges). "Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell, where they already have it." Ronald Reagan The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
The Original Mind
(OP) User ID: 75994857 United States 02/23/2018 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Was just over at my wife's grandparents' house. Turns out he has a 10/22, so I fired a few shots. Nice gun. Anyway, he was showing off a couple of pistols he has, a 380 and a 9mm. For some God-only-knows reason, he chambered a round into the 9, ejected it, forgot the loaded magazine was still in, and pulled the trigger. Gun goes off right there in his room, me standing beside him, my daughter in the other room. Thankfully no one was hurt. Don't do that. UPDATE: The bullet hit a 1-inch water pipe. The basement is flooding. I'm heading over to help carry up buckets of water. Last Edited by The Original Mind on 02/23/2018 10:36 PM Wisdom is revealed as much by the questions one asks as the answers one gives. |
Where Eagles Dare
Metal-American User ID: 73836248 United States 02/23/2018 08:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is your desired endstate? Home defense? Sporting/target shooting? Collecting? Until you've established a desired endstate, you don't need a firearm. Isaiah 40:31 - But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint. “They’ve got us surrounded again, the poor bastards.” - U.S. Army Paratrooper at Bastogne |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76240069 Canada 02/23/2018 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am partial to the SKS (especially the Russian variety) as a great rifle for someone who is new, wants to be armed and proficient, but is not necessarily a gun aficionado. Firstly because its a complete unit. The integral box magazine, 10 rounds (5 legally in Canada) means you don't need to stock up on expensive magazines and the mag is never dropped and lost. With a small amount of practice you would be amazed at how fast you can reload with stripper clips. It also has an integral bayonet if you like that kind of thing, if not it can easily be removed. Second is that its a complete tank. Simpler even than an AK and just as durable and noob proof. It is also a milled receiver instead of stamped like the typical AK. The sights are idiot proof as well. Third is that it is a 30 cal, so can be used for deer legally wherever a rifle season exists. Fourth is cost: ammo is nearly as cheap as .556 and just about as available. Stripper clips are cheaper still. The rifle itself here in Canada can still be found in the $200 range and maybe double that in the US (still cheap). Would I choose an SKS as a dedicated first line battle rifle? No, of course not. But on a strict budget, or where restricted by law, or as a secondary weapon to arm friends and family - its hard to beat. |
Vicious Deplorable dollop
You ain't seen nothing yet! User ID: 76277675 United States 02/23/2018 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's a lot of us on GLP who don't own guns, or who want/need advice concerning guns. Quoting: The Original Mind There's a lot of people of GLP who can offer help and advice. Now is the time to consider buying a gun AND learning how to use it. This thread is for people to discuss all firearms, and to ask for help and advice. As I learn more about guns, I'll update this post. ----- Links Join the NRA (National Rifle Association): [link to membership.nra.org (secure)] Join the GOA (Gun Owners of America): [link to gunowners.org (secure)] Good thread. Memorize these and live them. Jeff Cooper's Four Rules: 1. All guns are always loaded. 2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. 3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target. 4. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it. Start on a .22 LR rifle and a .22 LR pistol. Put a red dot on each and have more fun. Rifle choices... Ruger 10/22, Remington 597, Marlin Model 795 Pistol choices... Smith & Wesson Victory, Browning Buckmark, Ruger MK IV Red Dot choices... Burris Fastfire 3 or Fastfire 2 - in 3 or 4 moa. Last Edited by Vicious Deplorable dollop on 02/23/2018 08:44 PM Kamala Harris is not a Natural Born Citizen. She's illegally running. Used by the Founders... Book I of The Law of Nations, Chapter XIX, § 212 (Joseph Chitty numbering) – “Citizens and natives” reads: 'The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.' 1758 Emerich de Vattel Oh' What the Hell, do I look like I want to die in some nursing home one day... America must have 4 new Constitutional Amendments... 1. Drug Tests and Mental Evaluations on all politicians and judges randomly five times per year. 2. Term Limits for Federal politicians and judges. 3. Mental and health standards for Supreme Court Justices and retirement age set. 4. A 'Star Chamber' of elected Natural Born Citizens (no attorney's) to ivestigate, try, and prosecute the politicians and government employee's as they see fit. Mandatory death penalty by public hanging is the merciful sentence for pedos and their associates. Democrats are a WMD, literally. Let Justice Be Done Though The Heavens Fall. |
Pilgrim001
User ID: 75732347 United States 02/23/2018 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would not recommend a 308 as a starter rifle. How about a Ruger 22 to start with and get the hang of shooting and aiming. This. A Ruger 10-22. If you like, there are 25 and 30 rd mags available to fit it. One of the most popular guns made and lots of aftermarket stuff to fit. It's a great gun and will serve you well. Remember that Placement means a LOT in self-defense. A well placed 22 in the aggressors eye will fuck up his day. Communism is for LOSERS Communism is SLAVERY Fuck Joe Biden |
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Pilgrim001
User ID: 75732347 United States 02/23/2018 09:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Case in point for gun safety. Quoting: The Original Mind Was just over at my wife's grandparents' house. Turns out he has a 10/22, so I fired a few shots. Nice gun. Anyway, he was showing off a couple of pistols he has, a 380 and a 9mm. For some God-only-knows reason, he chambered a round into the 9, ejected it, forgot the loaded clip was still in, and pulled the trigger. Gun goes off right there in his room, me standing beside him, my daughter in the other room. Thankfully no one was hurt. Don't do that. UPDATE: The bullet hit a 1-inch water pipe. The basement is flooding. I'm heading over to help carry up buckets of water. Always, Always, Always treat every gun like it's loaded. Even if you have to check it a dozen times. It's lucky Gramps didn't kill someone. Luck doesn't always appear. If you want to get along with the gunnies here, never refer to the magazine as a "clip". Communism is for LOSERS Communism is SLAVERY Fuck Joe Biden |
Pilgrim001
User ID: 75732347 United States 02/23/2018 09:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am partial to the SKS (especially the Russian variety) as a great rifle for someone who is new, wants to be armed and proficient, but is not necessarily a gun aficionado. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76240069 Firstly because its a complete unit. The integral box magazine, 10 rounds (5 legally in Canada) means you don't need to stock up on expensive magazines and the mag is never dropped and lost. With a small amount of practice you would be amazed at how fast you can reload with stripper clips. It also has an integral bayonet if you like that kind of thing, if not it can easily be removed. Second is that its a complete tank. Simpler even than an AK and just as durable and noob proof. It is also a milled receiver instead of stamped like the typical AK. The sights are idiot proof as well. Third is that it is a 30 cal, so can be used for deer legally wherever a rifle season exists. Fourth is cost: ammo is nearly as cheap as .556 and just about as available. Stripper clips are cheaper still. The rifle itself here in Canada can still be found in the $200 range and maybe double that in the US (still cheap). Would I choose an SKS as a dedicated first line battle rifle? No, of course not. But on a strict budget, or where restricted by law, or as a secondary weapon to arm friends and family - its hard to beat. SKS's have a wonky firing pin that sometimes sticks and goes full auto. Replace it with a pin that has a spring. Communism is for LOSERS Communism is SLAVERY Fuck Joe Biden |
The Original Mind
(OP) User ID: 75994857 United States 02/23/2018 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is your desired endstate? Home defense? Sporting/target shooting? Collecting? Quoting: Where Eagles Dare Until you've established a desired endstate, you don't need a firearm. Great advice. Home defense and target shooting. Wisdom is revealed as much by the questions one asks as the answers one gives. |
The Original Mind
(OP) User ID: 75994857 United States 02/23/2018 09:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Case in point for gun safety. Quoting: The Original Mind Was just over at my wife's grandparents' house. Turns out he has a 10/22, so I fired a few shots. Nice gun. Anyway, he was showing off a couple of pistols he has, a 380 and a 9mm. For some God-only-knows reason, he chambered a round into the 9, ejected it, forgot the loaded clip was still in, and pulled the trigger. Gun goes off right there in his room, me standing beside him, my daughter in the other room. Thankfully no one was hurt. Don't do that. UPDATE: The bullet hit a 1-inch water pipe. The basement is flooding. I'm heading over to help carry up buckets of water. Always, Always, Always treat every gun like it's loaded. Even if you have to check it a dozen times. It's lucky Gramps didn't kill someone. Luck doesn't always appear. If you want to get along with the gunnies here, never refer to the magazine as a "clip". Yeah, that's solid advice. So what's the difference between a magazine and a clip? Wisdom is revealed as much by the questions one asks as the answers one gives. |
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The Original Mind
(OP) User ID: 75994857 United States 02/23/2018 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Ruger 10/22 is a good all around plinker. It'll get you used to firearms in terms of handling them, safety, etc. Quoting: Larry D. Croc Given that it has essentially no felt recoil you'll find a major difference when you step up to a center-fire cartridge. The .22lr, which the 10/22 uses, is a rimfire cartridge. And if you do go with a .22lr, which I think everyone should have as a matter of course, I'd encourage the use of standard velocity rounds. You'll get people here raging about "hi velocity rounds, man, yeah, that's the ticket!" It's not "the ticket. You'll get much better accuracy with a standard velocity round. There's not anyone shooting .22lr for accuracy that uses anything like a "CCI Stinger" or whatever they call 'em these days. First question. I've seen people recommending a 308 bolt action rifle for training. Why that gun? How can I tell a good 308 from a bad 308? Quoting: The Original Mind Ruger makes a good product. So does Tikka. So does Sako. It's a commonly available cartridge that's pretty accurate and pretty powerful at the ranges you'd likely be shooting. Could you explain the difference between a cartridge and the alternative? I'd be shooting initially at a local sportsmans club. Cartridges are the combination of primer, powder, typically a brass cartridge, and a bullet of some weight and profile. Smaller bullet sizes, say a .223 or 5.56mm which is commonly used in the AR platform, has lower recoil, higher velocities, and a lower ballistic coefficient than the .308 which would have a heavier bullet in most cases, a larger brass casing, more powder, and a slower initial velocity. The .223 is more of a wounding round (yes it can be lethal but it's adoption by the military was based on a desire to wound more of the enemy than outright kill them. Troops can carry more ammunition with the .223 due to it's smaller size and lighter weight), while the .308 is going to do more damage (and likely be more lethal at longer ranges). Thanks, that's really helpful. Wisdom is revealed as much by the questions one asks as the answers one gives. |
Vicious Deplorable dollop
You ain't seen nothing yet! User ID: 76277675 United States 02/23/2018 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Case in point for gun safety. Quoting: The Original Mind Was just over at my wife's grandparents' house. Turns out he has a 10/22, so I fired a few shots. Nice gun. Anyway, he was showing off a couple of pistols he has, a 380 and a 9mm. For some God-only-knows reason, he chambered a round into the 9, ejected it, forgot the loaded clip was still in, and pulled the trigger. Gun goes off right there in his room, me standing beside him, my daughter in the other room. Thankfully no one was hurt. Don't do that. UPDATE: The bullet hit a 1-inch water pipe. The basement is flooding. I'm heading over to help carry up buckets of water. Always, Always, Always treat every gun like it's loaded. Even if you have to check it a dozen times. It's lucky Gramps didn't kill someone. Luck doesn't always appear. If you want to get along with the gunnies here, never refer to the magazine as a "clip". Yeah, that's solid advice. So what's the difference between a magazine and a clip? [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Kamala Harris is not a Natural Born Citizen. She's illegally running. Used by the Founders... Book I of The Law of Nations, Chapter XIX, § 212 (Joseph Chitty numbering) – “Citizens and natives” reads: 'The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.' 1758 Emerich de Vattel Oh' What the Hell, do I look like I want to die in some nursing home one day... America must have 4 new Constitutional Amendments... 1. Drug Tests and Mental Evaluations on all politicians and judges randomly five times per year. 2. Term Limits for Federal politicians and judges. 3. Mental and health standards for Supreme Court Justices and retirement age set. 4. A 'Star Chamber' of elected Natural Born Citizens (no attorney's) to ivestigate, try, and prosecute the politicians and government employee's as they see fit. Mandatory death penalty by public hanging is the merciful sentence for pedos and their associates. Democrats are a WMD, literally. Let Justice Be Done Though The Heavens Fall. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75439572 United States 02/23/2018 09:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would not recommend a 308 as a starter rifle. How about a Ruger 22 to start with and get the hang of shooting and aiming. This. A Ruger 10-22. If you like, there are 25 and 30 rd mags available to fit it. One of the most popular guns made and lots of aftermarket stuff to fit. It's a great gun and will serve you well. Remember that Placement means a LOT in self-defense. A well placed 22 in the aggressors eye will fuck up his day. yeah well some goon kicks your door in and comes at you in the middle of the night waking you from a sound sleep and i am here to tell you that you will not have that kind of shot placement i guarantee it will be all you can do to hit center mass and a 22 is just going to piss the attacker off |