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No, working is NOT a normal human activity. It is a religious one.

 
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Animals only "work" as much as is needed each day to survive. That includes humans closest ancestors, the apes.

Obsessing about "work" and working overlong hours everyday only really came about as religions starting preaching about how great it is. The religious "leader" con men needed others to overwork so they could be fooled into giving extra food to "god." As today, religious "leaders" really provide no tangible benefit other than just hypocritically lecturing others so they needed others to agree to feed them.

Many of the few remaining self sustaining primitive tribes still adhere to this philosophy as well. They have zero stress because they only do enough to get by.
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Basically true. Humans manufactured the idea of working more than is actually needed to survive. And the earliest reasons for that was religions. Someone had to do extra work to pay for the non working "priests."
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This.
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Yes, it takes other people overworking in order for religions to even exist and for the rich to exist as well.
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Are mom's not teaching the important lessons?

"Little red hen, little red hen, so much to do, when would it end?
Little red hen, little red hen, she got no help from her lazy friends"

spoiler alert: The industrious little red hen is always on the move while the other farm animals just lay around and sleep. She finds a grain of wheat, plants it, harvests the wheat crop, shucks the wheat, grinds it, and then bakes a loaf of bread.
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Are mom's not teaching the important lessons?

"Little red hen, little red hen, so much to do, when would it end?
Little red hen, little red hen, she got no help from her lazy friends"

spoiler alert: The industrious little red hen is always on the move while the other farm animals just lay around and sleep. She finds a grain of wheat, plants it, harvests the wheat crop, shucks the wheat, grinds it, and then bakes a loaf of bread.
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You didnt read OPs point did you? He is not against "working" in the way all of nature "works." He is pointing out that what humans have manufactured as far as work habits are not natural. They were manufactured work habits for other reasons aside from personal and family survival.
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I can tell the OP is a communist by his attack on religion while leaving the government equivalent alone.
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chuckle No, I am talking about the very FIRST examples of encouraging overworking, not Communism, etc. The earliest versions of the Torah and Bible preach about how "godly" it is to work yourself to death. Of course, the priests and other leaders arent really doing any of the actual work, they are simply demanding donations from the workers. Sounds familier even for today.
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I can agree with that
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I'm totally with you that "the religious leaders" USE the workers and are just con artists many times.

However, if you've never tried to scrabble life out of cold soil, you might be a bit under-knowledgable about how hard it actually IS.

Now, living in a lush rainforest might be dandy.

But northern Europe ain't no tropical isle.
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I'm totally with you that "the religious leaders" USE the workers and are just con artists many times.

However, if you've never tried to scrabble life out of cold soil, you might be a bit under-knowledgable about how hard it actually IS.

Now, living in a lush rainforest might be dandy.

But northern Europe ain't no tropical isle.
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True, Europeans worked hard to survive and take care of their families and groups. It took the arrival of coordinated religions to convince them to work even more to pay their "offerings" and to be "saved." OP is correct.
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I'm totally with you that "the religious leaders" USE the workers and are just con artists many times.

However, if you've never tried to scrabble life out of cold soil, you might be a bit under-knowledgable about how hard it actually IS.

Now, living in a lush rainforest might be dandy.

But northern Europe ain't no tropical isle.
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True, Europeans worked hard to survive and take care of their families and groups. It took the arrival of coordinated religions to convince them to work even more to pay their "offerings" and to be "saved." OP is correct.
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Exactly.
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Re: No, working is NOT a normal human activity. It is a religious one.
Animals only "work" as much as is needed each day to survive. That includes humans closest ancestors, the apes.

Obsessing about "work" and working overlong hours everyday only really came about as religions starting preaching about how great it is. The religious "leader" con men needed others to overwork so they could be fooled into giving extra food to "god." As today, religious "leaders" really provide no tangible benefit other than just hypocritically lecturing others so they needed others to agree to feed them.

Many of the few remaining self sustaining primitive tribes still adhere to this philosophy as well. They have zero stress because they only do enough to get by.
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"Natural laws" were eventually overridden by "religious laws" OP. That was the beginning of the stress filled world of today.
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This.
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Animals only "work" as much as is needed each day to survive. That includes humans closest ancestors, the apes.

Obsessing about "work" and working overlong hours everyday only really came about as religions starting preaching about how great it is. The religious "leader" con men needed others to overwork so they could be fooled into giving extra food to "god." As today, religious "leaders" really provide no tangible benefit other than just hypocritically lecturing others so they needed others to agree to feed them.

Many of the few remaining self sustaining primitive tribes still adhere to this philosophy as well. They have zero stress because they only do enough to get by.
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Neither, its been foisted on people by the rich. That's because the rich really own just about everything. They portion a small amount of what's left out to the people that work. If you don't work you only get enough to live on (welfare) which is paid for by the people that work. It didn't used to be this way because long ago before the rich owned everything the was enough to go around for everyone and man and women only had to forage for food and build shelters. Now the rich are in full control.


Well there you go.



PS: A few see the futility of the working 50 years just so they can collect a small pention and scrap by. So they turn to crime.
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"If you don't work you only get enough to live on (welfare) which is paid for by the people that work. "
What if you are wrong and it comes from national debt?
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Re: No, working is NOT a normal human activity. It is a religious one.
Are mom's not teaching the important lessons?

"Little red hen, little red hen, so much to do, when would it end?
Little red hen, little red hen, she got no help from her lazy friends"

spoiler alert: The industrious little red hen is always on the move while the other farm animals just lay around and sleep. She finds a grain of wheat, plants it, harvests the wheat crop, shucks the wheat, grinds it, and then bakes a loaf of bread.
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Are you actually conscious, at all?
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if you are not a escaping taxation you are actually transfer between taxes and inflation about 80% of your work in exchange for a fucking nothing.

you could easily work 80% less
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if you are not a escaping taxation you are actually transfer between taxes and inflation about 80% of your work in exchange for a fucking nothing.

you could easily work 80% less
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chuckle
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Are mom's not teaching the important lessons?

"Little red hen, little red hen, so much to do, when would it end?
Little red hen, little red hen, she got no help from her lazy friends"

spoiler alert: The industrious little red hen is always on the move while the other farm animals just lay around and sleep. She finds a grain of wheat, plants it, harvests the wheat crop, shucks the wheat, grinds it, and then bakes a loaf of bread.
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Are you actually conscious, at all?
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Religions are only one of a long line of con artists that will try to take your hard work from you.
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Are mom's not teaching the important lessons?

"Little red hen, little red hen, so much to do, when would it end?
Little red hen, little red hen, she got no help from her lazy friends"

spoiler alert: The industrious little red hen is always on the move while the other farm animals just lay around and sleep. She finds a grain of wheat, plants it, harvests the wheat crop, shucks the wheat, grinds it, and then bakes a loaf of bread.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77197203


Are you actually conscious, at all?
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Religions are only one of a long line of con artists that will try to take your hard work from you.
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Only the con artists get out of working, though.
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Re: No, working is NOT a normal human activity. It is a religious one.
I'm totally with you that "the religious leaders" USE the workers and are just con artists many times.

However, if you've never tried to scrabble life out of cold soil, you might be a bit under-knowledgable about how hard it actually IS.

Now, living in a lush rainforest might be dandy.

But northern Europe ain't no tropical isle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77197203


True, Europeans worked hard to survive and take care of their families and groups. It took the arrival of coordinated religions to convince them to work even more to pay their "offerings" and to be "saved." OP is correct.
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clappa
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Are mom's not teaching the important lessons?

"Little red hen, little red hen, so much to do, when would it end?
Little red hen, little red hen, she got no help from her lazy friends"

spoiler alert: The industrious little red hen is always on the move while the other farm animals just lay around and sleep. She finds a grain of wheat, plants it, harvests the wheat crop, shucks the wheat, grinds it, and then bakes a loaf of bread.
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right, but that is not the same as the "work" we think we have to do six days a week for 8 or more hours a day for 340 days out of the year.

Before the industrial age, farm people worked HARD in SPRING (planting) and FALL (harvest) and RESTED IN WINTER!!

Winter was a time to do indoor activity like quilting, whittling, reading, etc. and a minimal amount of work like milking the cows and cooking. A time for PLANNING the garden for the upcoming spring.

THIS IS THE NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS.

NOT WORKING 345 DAYS A YEAR UNTIL YOU ARE GIVEN A TWO WEEK "VACATION"!!!!
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Are mom's not teaching the important lessons?

"Little red hen, little red hen, so much to do, when would it end?
Little red hen, little red hen, she got no help from her lazy friends"

spoiler alert: The industrious little red hen is always on the move while the other farm animals just lay around and sleep. She finds a grain of wheat, plants it, harvests the wheat crop, shucks the wheat, grinds it, and then bakes a loaf of bread.
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right, but that is not the same as the "work" we think we have to do six days a week for 8 or more hours a day for 340 days out of the year.

Before the industrial age, farm people worked HARD in SPRING (planting) and FALL (harvest) and RESTED IN WINTER!!

Winter was a time to do indoor activity like quilting, whittling, reading, etc. and a minimal amount of work like milking the cows and cooking. A time for PLANNING the garden for the upcoming spring.

THIS IS THE NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS.

NOT WORKING 345 DAYS A YEAR UNTIL YOU ARE GIVEN A TWO WEEK "VACATION"!!!!

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Conventional farming is a lot of work, perma-culture is low maintenance once setup.
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Re: No, working is NOT a normal human activity. It is a religious one.
Animals only "work" as much as is needed each day to survive. That includes humans closest ancestors, the apes.

Obsessing about "work" and working overlong hours everyday only really came about as religions starting preaching about how great it is. The religious "leader" con men needed others to overwork so they could be fooled into giving extra food to "god." As today, religious "leaders" really provide no tangible benefit other than just hypocritically lecturing others so they needed others to agree to feed them.

Many of the few remaining self sustaining primitive tribes still adhere to this philosophy as well. They have zero stress because they only do enough to get by.
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I am not an animal.
I am not part of a primitive tribe.

I am a White Man. We ended the Stone Age. Sorry that bothers you...but if it does...get off the internet, we didn't invent it for slogs like you.
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Are mom's not teaching the important lessons?

"Little red hen, little red hen, so much to do, when would it end?
Little red hen, little red hen, she got no help from her lazy friends"

spoiler alert: The industrious little red hen is always on the move while the other farm animals just lay around and sleep. She finds a grain of wheat, plants it, harvests the wheat crop, shucks the wheat, grinds it, and then bakes a loaf of bread.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77197203


right, but that is not the same as the "work" we think we have to do six days a week for 8 or more hours a day for 340 days out of the year.

Before the industrial age, farm people worked HARD in SPRING (planting) and FALL (harvest) and RESTED IN WINTER!!

Winter was a time to do indoor activity like quilting, whittling, reading, etc. and a minimal amount of work like milking the cows and cooking. A time for PLANNING the garden for the upcoming spring.

THIS IS THE NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS.

NOT WORKING 345 DAYS A YEAR UNTIL YOU ARE GIVEN A TWO WEEK "VACATION"!!!!

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Conventional farming is a lot of work, perma-culture is low maintenance once setup.
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The rainforest in South America is probably one of humanities largest permaculture projects. Those tribes knew what they were doing.

If only we could incorporate some of their teachings into 'modern' civilizations.
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Animals only "work" as much as is needed each day to survive. That includes humans closest ancestors, the apes.

Obsessing about "work" and working overlong hours everyday only really came about as religions starting preaching about how great it is. The religious "leader" con men needed others to overwork so they could be fooled into giving extra food to "god." As today, religious "leaders" really provide no tangible benefit other than just hypocritically lecturing others so they needed others to agree to feed them.

Many of the few remaining self sustaining primitive tribes still adhere to this philosophy as well. They have zero stress because they only do enough to get by.
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I am not an animal.
I am not part of a primitive tribe.

I am a White Man. We ended the Stone Age. Sorry that bothers you...but if it does...get off the internet, we didn't invent it for slogs like you.
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So in your view, your evolutions main goal was to set a 40 hour work week for life? With overtime if you really want to "get ahead" and die of a heart attack sooner. Brilliant "improvement" over ancient man. chuckle
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There is absolutely nothing spiritually meaningful or helpful about most jobs. They’re soul sucking and require you to bend over and submit to managers who are most likely demonic.
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Animals only "work" as much as is needed each day to survive. That includes humans closest ancestors, the apes.

Obsessing about "work" and working overlong hours everyday only really came about as religions starting preaching about how great it is. The religious "leader" con men needed others to overwork so they could be fooled into giving extra food to "god." As today, religious "leaders" really provide no tangible benefit other than just hypocritically lecturing others so they needed others to agree to feed them.

Many of the few remaining self sustaining primitive tribes still adhere to this philosophy as well. They have zero stress because they only do enough to get by.
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Attaboy!

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Being an hazard on the workfloor due to being disabled is forbidden...
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Animals only "work" as much as is needed each day to survive. That includes humans closest ancestors, the apes.

Obsessing about "work" and working overlong hours everyday only really came about as religions starting preaching about how great it is. The religious "leader" con men needed others to overwork so they could be fooled into giving extra food to "god." As today, religious "leaders" really provide no tangible benefit other than just hypocritically lecturing others so they needed others to agree to feed them.

Many of the few remaining self sustaining primitive tribes still adhere to this philosophy as well. They have zero stress because they only do enough to get by.
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"The religious "leader" con men needed others to overwork so they could be fooled into giving extra food to "god." As today, religious "leaders" really provide no tangible benefit other than just hypocritically lecturing others so they needed others to agree to feed them. "

Bingo.
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Animals only "work" as much as is needed each day to survive. That includes humans closest ancestors, the apes.

Obsessing about "work" and working overlong hours everyday only really came about as religions starting preaching about how great it is. The religious "leader" con men needed others to overwork so they could be fooled into giving extra food to "god." As today, religious "leaders" really provide no tangible benefit other than just hypocritically lecturing others so they needed others to agree to feed them.

Many of the few remaining self sustaining primitive tribes still adhere to this philosophy as well. They have zero stress because they only do enough to get by.
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"The religious "leader" con men needed others to overwork so they could be fooled into giving extra food to "god." As today, religious "leaders" really provide no tangible benefit other than just hypocritically lecturing others so they needed others to agree to feed them. "

Bingo.
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It works 'okayish' until the top of the pyramid gets too heavy. The problem in this world is now you need a pyramid to not be destroyed by other pyramids.

Pyramid = top down control
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All of those folks on welfare adhere to that, it seems.

The more you want for yourself and your family, the harder you work.

In my case, I have no husband and I wouldn't take state money, so it was pure survival for me and my kids.

The more I excelled at work, the better we could live.

Since I had no life outside of work, all of my time I'm not there, I was home.

I live in a middle class neighborhood and my kids live right next to other two parent families and receive the benefits.

At first, they were upset that everyone else had two parents, but that didn't last long. Almost no one is married now.
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Working is for chumps who need to do it for material gains and feelings of self-worth and self-importance. The biblical "work" mentioned above was about volunteer work to serve others.

Yeah, I work for a living and that makes me a chump, too. I wish I had the guts to just quit and live in a commune, or something. No money, just doing chores to make the commune a better place for everyone.
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Yes, and if working is for losers, could it make you one, also? Is it evil? Why is it so time consuming? Would the time be better spent doing other things? What if your life was in danger? Would you work or save yourself? Could working therefore kill you?





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